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What Obama Has Said about His Own Birth

hypocritexposer

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January 17, 2011
What Obama Has Said about His Own Birth
By Jack Cashill

While Republican Congressman Frank Pallone read the "natural born Citizen" clause of the U.S. Constitution on the House floor last Thursday, a spirited female in the audience shouted out, "Except Obama! Except Obama! Help us, Jesus!"

Later that day, NBC's Brian Williams improbably chose to assign blame for the woman's outburst on newly elected House speaker John Boehner. "How much responsibility do you feel?" Williams asked pointedly.

"The state of Hawaii has said Obama was born there," said Boehner, who is no more intimate with the "Birther" movement than Williams himself. "That was good enough for me."

The person Williams should have been asking about "responsibility" is the president. Obama's conspicuous fabrications over the years have caused even the sober among us to doubt his origins story.

In September 2009, President Obama addressed the nation's schoolchildren writ large, an innovation that struck many on the right as a wee bit too Big-Brotherly. In the talk, Obama asked America's students to take personal responsibility. That was all well enough.

Missed in the media hubbub, however, was his take on why this could be difficult for some students. "I get it," he told the kiddies. "I know what that's like. My father left my family when I was two years old, and I was raised by a single mother."

In his 1995 memoir Dreams from My Father, Obama made the same claim. "He had left Hawaii back in 1963," he wrote of Obama Sr., "when I was only two years old."

When Obama wrote this in Dreams, he may have been relating what he had himself been told. By 2009, he knew better, but so vested was he in the story, and so useful had it been in his rise, that he continued to dissemble, even before millions of schoolchildren.

There are clues in Dreams, however, which suggest that Obama was creating a fiction for future use that he already knew to be untrue. He tells of coming across an article from the Honolulu Advertiser celebrating Barack Obama, Sr.'s planned grand tour of mainland universities on his triumphant way to Harvard.

Obama writes ruefully in Dreams, "No mention is made of my mother or me, and I'm left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father's part, in anticipation of his long departure." What Obama does not mention is that the article was dated June 22, 1962.

Obama was reportedly born on August 4, 1961. He was not yet a year old at the time Obama Sr. left Hawaii for good. More to the point, Obama fails to mention that he and his mother, Ann Dunham, were living in Seattle at the time and had been since at least August 19, 1961, the day she enrolled at the University of Washington.

In short, the family never lived together. There was no Obama family. The Obama camp surely knew this by the time he ran for president, but Obama kept dissembling about his origins nonetheless.

Although Obama's African relatives seem to have accepted the president as one of their own, there is even less clarity on the Kenyan side. According to Dreams, Obama Sr. had children with at least four different women, two of them American, and he occasionally circled back to the first of the four, Kezia.

Ruth Nidesand, a white American, had two children by Obama Sr., Mark and David, the latter of whom died young in a motorcycle accident. She was also forced to raise Kezia's two oldest children, just as the woman Obama knows as "Granny," the family storyteller, was forced to raise Obama Sr. as her own. In another time and place, the Obamas would have had their own reality TV show.

Questions linger about the paternity of many of these offspring. In Dreams, Obama's cryptic and contrarian Aunt Sarah would tell her presumed nephew, " ... the children who claim to be Obama's are not Obama's." Obama must have wondered whether she was referring to him.

Curiously, when Obama found the article about Obama Sr.'s departure, he found it "folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms." Later in Dreams, in a passage heretofore overlooked, Obama unwittingly reveals that there may have been problems with that birth certificate.

On the occasion of his father's death in 1982, lawyers contacted anyone who might have claim to the estate. "Unlike my mum," Obama tells his half-sister Auma in Dreams, "Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark's father was."

Ruth obviously could produce a marriage license and a birth certificate for her son Mark. Ann Dunham apparently could not do the same for her son Barack, at least not one that could tie him to Obama Sr. -- not even with a potential payoff on the table.

The long form birth certificate could pose a number of problems other than country of origin, including the date of Obama's birth, the state of his birth, and the identity of his father. Any one of these revelations could unravel the yarn that Obama has been spinning.

These problems derive from the fact that Ann Dunham enrolled at university on August 19, 1961 and returned to Hawaii only after Obama Sr. had left Hawaii for good. Both of these facts are more firmly established than President Obama's Honolulu birth on August 4, 1961. In my forthcoming book, Deconstructing Obama, I review these possibilities in some detail.

The failure of the mainstream media to even address the inconsistencies in Obama's story is downright shameful. That failure has created a windstorm of curiosity that is becoming increasingly difficult for the media to ignore. The final responsibility for the outburst in Congress last week is theirs.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/01/what_obama_has_said_about_his.html
 

Steve

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I am sure that by late August of 62 flying was common place and any one could fly with a newborn, even a long flight such as one from Hawaii to Washington.

BTW,.. as a world traveler,. ( a famed set of folk bestowed with more knowledge then other common folk who were to busy working to travel to much) :eek:

I can offer a bit of my great wisdom to the other world travelers.. (really just a bunch of liberals who think they are better.)

before our child was born I had already received transfer orders from Connecticut, but the orders were delayed, until a month after his birth, as the military could not allow an infant to travel for at least a month.

I was set to go to Minewarfare in Charleston SC for training, and it seemed a perfect time for Annie to go see her parents as well..

interestingly enough, my sweet Scottish bride also wanted to take our child to her home as well. so we checked into her flying and our brand new son getting a passport..

well the trip wasn't about to happen... even in the late eighties, airlines didn't want a baby on board until three months old.. especially a long flight from Boston to Scotland..

but then again.. I would bet my world traveler status, things were not easier in 62', then they were in early 88'

my opinion.. Vancouver Canada..

any one know when the last time Stanley Anne (Mrs. Obama) was seen in Hawaii?
 

hypocritexposer

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"Unlike my mum," Obama tells his half-sister Auma in Dreams, "Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark's father was."

I found this sentence pretty revealing. Is he saying that his mom did not have documents to prove who his father is?

Sure sounds like it. It is an admission that no father is listed on the BC, if there is a BC at all.
 

Whitewing

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hypocritexposer said:
"Unlike my mum," Obama tells his half-sister Auma in Dreams, "Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark's father was."

I found this sentence pretty revealing. Is he saying that his mom did not have documents to prove who his father is?

Sure sounds like it. It is an admission that no father is listed on the BC, if there is a BC at all.

Hmmm, and don't you cannucks use the word mum as well? Steve could be on to something.
 

hypocritexposer

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Whitewing said:
hypocritexposer said:
"Unlike my mum," Obama tells his half-sister Auma in Dreams, "Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark's father was."

I found this sentence pretty revealing. Is he saying that his mom did not have documents to prove who his father is?

Sure sounds like it. It is an admission that no father is listed on the BC, if there is a BC at all.

Hmmm, and don't you cannucks use the word mum as well? Steve could be on to something.

So do the British, and he was born a British citizen, if his dad is who he claims.

When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html

He was a dual citizen, if you believe his birth story
 

Steve

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Whitewing said:
hypocritexposer said:
"Unlike my mum," Obama tells his half-sister Auma in Dreams, "Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark's father was."

I found this sentence pretty revealing. Is he saying that his mom did not have documents to prove who his father is?

Sure sounds like it. It is an admission that no father is listed on the BC, if there is a BC at all.

Hmmm, and don't you cannucks use the word mum as well? Steve could be on to something.

I have looked at the time line several times.. and still can't quite figure out when Ann left Hawaii to go to Washington state when Barack was less then two weeks old...
 

Steve

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Ann Dunham is 18. Her family moves to Honolulu, Hawaii. Ann begins classes at the University of Hawaii.

- She meets Barack Obama Sr. in a Russian-language class.
She drops out of college after one semester in the University of Hawaii.

February 2, 1961: Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr. get married in Maui in a discreet ceremony.

August 4, 1961: Barack Obama Jr. is born. Ann is eighteen.

Two weeks later she is in class in Seattle,
(this time line was put together at a democratic site)

notice the discrepancies?

she moves to Hawaii at the age of eighteen, (1960) to start school in Aug/Sept of 60' and a year later in August of 61 she is still eighteen? (must have been one long year) her birth date Nov 29, could work for Barack's Birth, but is then must be wrong for the start of college,

college starts in Aug/Sept.. 60, she could only be 17...

I guess the facts aren't important..


then she drops out after one semester. (Dec 60') (one month pregnant)
which means the only semester she could have taken was the fall semester.. at the age of 17,.

a soon after dropping out of school, she went to Maui.. to get married..
(BTW... Maui is a different Island the Oahu where they lived)
I am sure it is a quick boat ride, as the flight only takes about 25 minutes..

but why leave picturesque Hawaii in 61' to go to another somewhat island?

oh well unanswered questions.. but none of those really matter... The real question is where was Stanly from Feb 61' to Aug 61'

We know she was already in Seattle two weeks after little B was born taking classes.
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cheetah69

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Let it go. quit with all the silly conspiracy theories, secret plots and other tired disproven mumbo jumbo the Right attempts to present as credible evidence. The man is President. He will be til January 2017. Get over it.
 

cheetah69

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The question is fine. I guess. But at this point, why is it still being asked? He's the president. Nothing will come of all this silly mostly-disengenuous questioning of his birthplace.
 

Faster horses

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He could stop it if he'd quit hiding his birth certificate. Why does he continue
to pay lawyers instead of providing the certificate? That's the big question and that's why the subject is still in many conversations. He was never vetted..........something about the whole thing smells like a rat in the woodpile.
 

hypocritexposer

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cheetah69 said:
The question is fine. I guess. But at this point, why is it still being asked? He's the president. Nothing will come of all this silly mostly-disengenuous questioning of his birthplace.

Do you or would you trust a man that can't even tell the truth about his birth? Why is he so ashamed of his true birth story, that he has to lie about it?

I was wondering about the name cheetah? Are you going to run away real fast when presented with evidence that obama is not a Natural born citizen?
 

cheetah69

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haha. he's not ashamed of his birth. he's talked more about his birth and origin more so than any other president has. And yet folks wanna scream, "we don't know about this guy!" Give it a rest. You can find a ton of things to fault him or question him for. His birthplace ain't one of 'em.

And "cheetah" because I'm quick. Not because I'm afraid. But you'll learn soon enough.
 

hypocritexposer

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cheetah69 said:
haha. he's not ashamed of his birth. he's talked more about his birth and origin more so than any other president has. And yet folks wanna scream, "we don't know about this guy!" Give it a rest. You can find a ton of things to fault him or question him for. His birthplace ain't one of 'em.

And "cheetah" because I'm quick. Not because I'm afraid. But you'll learn soon enough.

and it doesn't bother you that most of what he has told the Country about his birth is lies?

I've said right from the start of this controversy that it speaks to his credibility and integrity.

Is his lying one of those things that we can fault him on? Do you have much respect for a person that continues to lie to you?
 

Faster horses

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" But you'll learn soon enough."


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Another new poster that is going to teach us a thing or two.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Good luck! :D
 

cheetah69

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Hmmmm. The courts believe him. Hell, the former republican governor of Hawaii believed him. And yet, you don't? YOU have access to secret info that NO ONE else has. How awesome.
 

Whitewing

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cheetah69 said:
haha. he's not ashamed of his birth. he's talked more about his birth and origin more so than any other president has. And yet folks wanna scream, "we don't know about this guy!" Give it a rest. You can find a ton of things to fault him or question him for. His birthplace ain't one of 'em.

And "cheetah" because I'm quick. Not because I'm afraid. But you'll learn soon enough.

Thumbs up on that one. :D
 

hypocritexposer

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cheetah69 said:
Hmmmm. The courts believe him. Hell, the former republican governor of Hawaii believed him. And yet, you don't? YOU have access to secret info that NO ONE else has. How awesome.

When have the courts said they believe him?

When have they heard evidence to base their decision on?

Which case provided evidence that obama wrote that his mom does not have the documents to prove who his father is?

His own statements regarding his family contradict themselves, you don't need any court to tell you that he is lying.

"Unlike my mum," Obama tells his half-sister Auma in Dreams, "Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark's father was."

Barack Obama, Dreams from my father


In his 1995 memoir Dreams from My Father, Obama made the same claim. "He had left Hawaii back in 1963," he wrote of Obama Sr., "when I was only two years old."


Except that it was in 1962, not 1963.

You must have missed the questions.


Is his lying one of those things that we can fault him on?

Do you have much respect for a person that continues to lie to you?

Who do the voters trust more, due top this issue?

 

Sandhusker

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cheetah69 said:
Hmmmm. The courts believe him. Hell, the former republican governor of Hawaii believed him. And yet, you don't? YOU have access to secret info that NO ONE else has. How awesome.

Name one court that has seen a single document relating to his birth.
 

Whitewing

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The "courts believed him" is an interesting comment indeed, and meaningless IMHO.

Years ago my company got shafted by the Louisiana Unemployment Agency with some funky instructions they sent me re processing a claim by an employee I had fired. I followed their instructions, but lost the case when I appeared before the labor judge. I felt I lost the case because their instructions were faulty.

I appealed the case to the Baton Rouge office of unemployment and they rubber stamped the lower judge's ruling. That hacked me off so I took the case to the local civil courts.

The first civil judge to hear it ruled against me, said the instructions were clear enough, and in his ruling said something to the effect, "Mr. Employer should use a lawyer next time he goes before a labor judge".

Now that one REALLY hacked me off as the entire purpose of the instructions and process proposed by the unemployment office was to help both employers and employees resolve their issues without the expense of an attorney.

Anyway, I then appealed to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals and won on the grounds that I was denied due process. They sent the case back to the original labor judge where I won the case on the second go-round. :D

The best part though for me though was that when the Unemployment Office sent me new instructions for the retrial, they had rewritten the entire set of instructions. :) And the case also had something of a landmark significance in that it resuted in a number of other labor cases being eligible for rehearings.

Anyway, the point is that one or two court rulings don't make a story dead.
 
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