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Angusgord said:AND just WTF was he supposed to do??? Stick his finger in the hole,honestly you people look for anything to discredit him for. He doesn't own BP.....
Republicans on the Hill have calculated that President Obama's successful demand that BP set up a $20 billion escrow account to pay out claims is ripe for political attack. In the wake of Wednesday's White House announcement, a host of GOP officials are raising questions about both the process by which the deal was made and the deal itself -- going so far as to apologize to BP on America's behalf.
"I'm ashamed of what happened in the White House yesterday," said Rep. Joe Barton (R-Tex.) during a hearing on Thursday morning with BP's CEO Tony Hayward." I think it is a tragedy in the first proportion that a private corporation can be subjected to what I would characterize as a shakedown -- in this case a $20 billion shakedown -- with the attorney general of the United States, who is legitimately conducting a criminal investigation and has every right to do so to protect the American people, participating in what amounts to a $20 billion slush fund that's unprecedented in our nation's history, which has no legal standing, which I think sets a terrible precedent for our nation's future."
Rep. Jeff Miller (R-FL), who represents Pensacola, has called on Rep.
Joe Barton (R-TX) to resign as ranking member of the House Energy and
Commerce Committee after his apology to BP.
Big Muddy rancher said:OT and AG what about not waving the Jones Act and getting in those big skimmers right away. Would that not have helped even if he couldn't plug the hole.
Bush was bashed for his slow response to Katrina but he had the Jones Act waived so relief ships could get in to help as soon as they were able.
Oldtimer said:Big Muddy rancher said:OT and AG what about not waving the Jones Act and getting in those big skimmers right away. Would that not have helped even if he couldn't plug the hole.
Bush was bashed for his slow response to Katrina but he had the Jones Act waived so relief ships could get in to help as soon as they were able.
Two threads down everyone was praising putting unemployed Americans back to work-- now you want to ship in more foreigners :???:
Liveoak said:Oldtimer said:Big Muddy rancher said:OT and AG what about not waving the Jones Act and getting in those big skimmers right away. Would that not have helped even if he couldn't plug the hole.
Bush was bashed for his slow response to Katrina but he had the Jones Act waived so relief ships could get in to help as soon as they were able.
Two threads down everyone was praising putting unemployed Americans back to work-- now you want to ship in more foreigners :???:
How about we just keep the partisan garbage out of it and just get a solution? If America didn't have the giant skimmers available then outside resources should have been utilized.
Big Muddy rancher said:Liveoak said:Oldtimer said:Two threads down everyone was praising putting unemployed Americans back to work-- now you want to ship in more foreigners :???:
How about we just keep the partisan garbage out of it and just get a solution? If America didn't have the giant skimmers available then outside resources should have been utilized.
Your right Liveoak, When i hear about those giant skimmers not being able to work in US waters and see pictures of the clean up of guys walking the beach with plastic bags or little hoses sucking up oil or guys dipping it with little hand held nets i just burn. If it's UNION jobs that's on the line rather then the health of the Gulf and it's people I am pretty sure Most would vote to let the foreigners help. :?
In response to such calls for more foreign help, the oil spill unified command on Tuesday streamlined the waiver process, adding that 15 foreign-flagged ships are already operating in the Gulf. More are on their way, according to Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.
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Despite this frustration, the Coast Guard says it has received no requests to waive the Jones Act – from the president or from anyone else.
“While we have not seen any need to waive the Jones Act as part of this historic response, we continue to prepare for all possible scenarios,” Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen said in a unified command press release Tuesday. “Should any waivers be needed, we are prepared to process them as quickly as possible to allow vital spill response activities being undertaken by foreign-flagged vessels to continue without delay.”
Perhaps the boldest use of the Jones Act waiver would be to enlist foreign supertankers to suck up water and oil and transfer it to shore, where it can be separated. It's been reported that Saudi Arabia used its fleet of supertankers to clean up a massive spill in the Persian Gulf in the 1990s.
One problem: diverting tankers per a presidential request could roil global oil markets.
Besides, the US maritime industry says the US has enough vessels on hand.
"The Jones Act fleet is one of the largest in the world, so there are plenty of US flag vessels right now hard at work, more ready to go to work," says Glen Nekvasil, a spokesman for the Maritime Cabotage Task Force, a consortium of shipbuilders, ship owners, and merchant marines based in Washington. "But if an instance arises where there is no qualified Jones Act vessel, we will not stand in the way of a waiver."
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hypocritexposer said:Big Muddy rancher said:Liveoak said:How about we just keep the partisan garbage out of it and just get a solution? If America didn't have the giant skimmers available then outside resources should have been utilized.
Your right Liveoak, When i hear about those giant skimmers not being able to work in US waters and see pictures of the clean up of guys walking the beach with plastic bags or little hoses sucking up oil or guys dipping it with little hand held nets i just burn. If it's UNION jobs that's on the line rather then the health of the Gulf and it's people I am pretty sure Most would vote to let the foreigners help. :?
Yep, shop vacs are the tool of the trade, it seems.
OT, the $20 billion is going to be split over how many years? So BP could put up $5Billion, go broke 2 years from now, and the taxpayer will still be stuck holding the bag.
All this agreement did, was to limit the amount that BP will pay, in the near future.
In my opinion, it would have been better for the Government to hire who ever is needed to get it clean-up, and then to charge BP for the costs.
Oldtimer said:Has BP ever asked for any help they didn't get- or even asked for any waivers :???:
In response to such calls for more foreign help, the oil spill unified command on Tuesday streamlined the waiver process, adding that 15 foreign-flagged ships are already operating in the Gulf. More are on their way, according to Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.
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Despite this frustration, the Coast Guard says it has received no requests to waive the Jones Act – from the president or from anyone else.
“While we have not seen any need to waive the Jones Act as part of this historic response, we continue to prepare for all possible scenarios,” Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen said in a unified command press release Tuesday. “Should any waivers be needed, we are prepared to process them as quickly as possible to allow vital spill response activities being undertaken by foreign-flagged vessels to continue without delay.”
Perhaps the boldest use of the Jones Act waiver would be to enlist foreign supertankers to suck up water and oil and transfer it to shore, where it can be separated. It's been reported that Saudi Arabia used its fleet of supertankers to clean up a massive spill in the Persian Gulf in the 1990s.
One problem: diverting tankers per a presidential request could roil global oil markets.
Besides, the US maritime industry says the US has enough vessels on hand.
"The Jones Act fleet is one of the largest in the world, so there are plenty of US flag vessels right now hard at work, more ready to go to work," says Glen Nekvasil, a spokesman for the Maritime Cabotage Task Force, a consortium of shipbuilders, ship owners, and merchant marines based in Washington. "But if an instance arises where there is no qualified Jones Act vessel, we will not stand in the way of a waiver."
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Big Muddy rancher said:Bobby Jindal has asked for permission to construct sand berms and it took 2 weeks to get permission for only a portion of what is needed.
"We will fight this spill with everything we've got for as long it takes."
Oldtimer said:Big Muddy rancher said:OT and AG what about not waving the Jones Act and getting in those big skimmers right away. Would that not have helped even if he couldn't plug the hole.
Bush was bashed for his slow response to Katrina but he had the Jones Act waived so relief ships could get in to help as soon as they were able.
Two threads down everyone was praising putting unemployed Americans back to work-- now you want to ship in more foreigners :???:
jcummins said:Oldtimer said:Big Muddy rancher said:OT and AG what about not waving the Jones Act and getting in those big skimmers right away. Would that not have helped even if he couldn't plug the hole.
Bush was bashed for his slow response to Katrina but he had the Jones Act waived so relief ships could get in to help as soon as they were able.
Two threads down everyone was praising putting unemployed Americans back to work-- now you want to ship in more foreigners :???:
OT there is a horrendous oil spill of epic portions in the gulf, and specialized equipment these foreigners have could help a great deal. Why can't you understand this? The focus needs to be to get the oil flow stopped, and that oil out of the gulf.
Angusgord said:AND just WTF was he supposed to do??? Stick his finger in the hole,honestly you people look for anything to discredit him for. He doesn't own BP.....
Oldtimer said:jcummins said:Oldtimer said:Two threads down everyone was praising putting unemployed Americans back to work-- now you want to ship in more foreigners :???:
OT there is a horrendous oil spill of epic portions in the gulf, and specialized equipment these foreigners have could help a great deal. Why can't you understand this? The focus needs to be to get the oil flow stopped, and that oil out of the gulf.
Has BP tried to bring them in? Or even asked to?
According to the Christian Science Monitor article there are already foreign ships operating in the gulf on the spill-- NO one (BP) has asked for any waivers- and the shipbuilders/merchant marine group said that they would not stand in the way of any waivers...
So why hasn't BP brought in this miracle specialized equipment :???:
Or do you believe, like Hypocrit apparently does, that the government is more efficient and can do a better job than BP/the oil industry :???: Do you too think BP and the rig should have been "nationalized" with government taking over total control and the taxpayers picking up the bill-- with the hopes they can get the dollars back from BP's assets :???: ...
It just seems to be so disorganized, regardless if it's BP, or our government.