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What say you evangelical neo-cons......

kolanuraven

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I see your point OT and agree with you.


Several here are gung ho for him ( Burns) and that kinda amazes me since they were are the very ones who have ranted and raved against Clinton , etc and anyone involved in any sort of ' scandal'.....then they turn right around and give Burns an " atta boy" and plan to cast their vote for him.

Maybe it's just me but I see a wee bit of flip flopping!!!!
 

RoperAB

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Red Robin said:
RoperAB said:
Red Robin said:
I've never met too many democrats or liberals that liked to admit it but whether you want to admit it or not , you're a democrat by default. If you don't vote republican , you are in essence voting for pelosi, wrangle, and franks. I hope you enjoy your bed buddies.

So what about Theodore Roosefelt? Remember the Bull Moose Party?
Nope, that was before my time.

TRs<As Strong as a> Bull Moose Party was made up of many pi$$ed off Republicans and Independants. Democrats too.
Point is that everybody who does not tote party lines is not a pinko.
In Canada we had several Conservative grass root conservative partys over the years that sucessfully served their porpose. Example the Progressives, UFA, SC, Reform, CND. Alliance.
Grant you that Teddys Bull Moose Party didnt do so well in your country but that doesnt mean its a bad idea and can never work.
 

Red Robin

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RoperAB said:
Red Robin said:
RoperAB said:
So what about Theodore Roosefelt? Remember the Bull Moose Party?
Nope, that was before my time.

TRs<As Strong as a> Bull Moose Party was made up of many pi$$ed off Republicans and Independants. Democrats too.
Point is that everybody who does not tote party lines is not a pinko.
In Canada we had several Conservative grass root conservative partys over the years that sucessfully served their porpose. Example the Progressives, UFA, SC, Reform, CND. Alliance.
Grant you that Teddys Bull Moose Party didnt do so well in your country but that doesnt mean its a bad idea and can never work.
That missed my point roper. If you vote for other than a republican in this election, you are effectively voting democrat. The green party wont win. Lieberman is the only exception I know of.
 

Econ101

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Red Robin said:
RoperAB said:
Red Robin said:
Nope, that was before my time.

TRs<As Strong as a> Bull Moose Party was made up of many pi$$ed off Republicans and Independants. Democrats too.
Point is that everybody who does not tote party lines is not a pinko.
In Canada we had several Conservative grass root conservative partys over the years that sucessfully served their porpose. Example the Progressives, UFA, SC, Reform, CND. Alliance.
Grant you that Teddys Bull Moose Party didnt do so well in your country but that doesnt mean its a bad idea and can never work.
That missed my point roper. If you vote for other than a republican in this election, you are effectively voting democrat. The green party wont win. Lieberman is the only exception I know of.

If you vote for a republican who is a crook, it is just as bad or worse than voting for a democrat, unless you are blind loyal republican who likes to open "the tent" for people like foley.

If you have a good republican, vote republican. If you don't, well........
 

IL Rancher

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I can find a lot of folks who have nothing but good to say about him as a person OT... Same for George Ryan, our recently convicted former Governor but I will tell you rostenkowski sure just seemed like a real nice guy and no, I don't think he thinks he did anything wrong to be honest but he did and there was probably more to it than he was convicted off.... He did seem like a real nice guy but there was something else there, probably the ability to have two faces is what got him so far in life..
 

passin thru

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Thats the impression you leave with your spiel- no matter if they are perverted or crooked you have to vote/support the Republican....

Well I guess your impression is questionable then. Better luck next time. :lol:
 
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Anonymous

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Very interesting- In todays Billings Gazette poll, 22% of Republicans say they always vote straight party lines, 13% of Dems say they always vote party lines, 65% say they vote the candidate, no matter which party....

About what I figured anymore....
 

CattleArmy

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Red Robin said:
CattleArmy said:
I believe in Christianity however I guess i like to believe in a forgiving God not a God to fear.
Why?

I'd rather worship a God that if we relize our sins and ask for forgiveness will forgive rather then one that damns us all to hell.............Is that not right either????
 

Red Robin

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CattleArmy said:
Red Robin said:
CattleArmy said:
I believe in Christianity however I guess i like to believe in a forgiving God not a God to fear.
Why?

I'd rather worship a God that if we relize our sins and ask for forgiveness will forgive rather then one that damns us all to hell.............Is that not right either????
You can believe anything you like. But if you're believing it because you like it you might as well believe the moon is made of green cheese. One has to believe what's true. Truth has to have a true basis. I believe the Bible is true and it doesn't agree with your belief. What do you base your belief on is my question.
 

CattleArmy

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Red Robin said:
CattleArmy said:
Red Robin said:

I'd rather worship a God that if we relize our sins and ask for forgiveness will forgive rather then one that damns us all to hell.............Is that not right either????
You can believe anything you like. But if you're believing it because you like it you might as well believe the moon is made of green cheese. One has to believe what's true. Truth has to have a true basis. I believe the Bible is true and it doesn't agree with your belief. What do you base your belief on is my question.

First off I'm not a Bible thumper so I admit I far from know all of it. However at a church study a couple years ago the pastor made the point that if we recognize sin and ask for forgiveness it will be ours. Not sure of the verse but guess what he was turning Bible pages as he found it.
 

CattleArmy

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Red Robin said:
CattleArmy said:
Red Robin said:

I'd rather worship a God that if we relize our sins and ask for forgiveness will forgive rather then one that damns us all to hell.............Is that not right either????
You can believe anything you like. But if you're believing it because you like it you might as well believe the moon is made of green cheese. One has to believe what's true. Truth has to have a true basis. I believe the Bible is true and it doesn't agree with your belief. What do you base your belief on is my question.

Right and I'm also the one that has the Bible that isn't as good as some of the rest of yours.................
 
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Anonymous

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If you have 10 Theologians in a room they will interpret every verse of the Bible in 10 different ways...Thats the reason I have always thought the best interpreter of it was you yourself using what you felt in your heart....
 

CattleArmy

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Oldtimer said:
If you have 10 Theologians in a room they will interpret every verse of the Bible in 10 different ways...Thats the reason I have always thought the best interpreter of it was you yourself using what you felt in your heart....

Good point Oldtimer.
 

RoperAB

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Red Robin said:
RoperAB said:
Red Robin said:
Nope, that was before my time.

TRs<As Strong as a> Bull Moose Party was made up of many pi$$ed off Republicans and Independants. Democrats too.
Point is that everybody who does not tote party lines is not a pinko.
In Canada we had several Conservative grass root conservative partys over the years that sucessfully served their porpose. Example the Progressives, UFA, SC, Reform, CND. Alliance.
Grant you that Teddys Bull Moose Party didnt do so well in your country but that doesnt mean its a bad idea and can never work.
That missed my point roper. If you vote for other than a republican in this election, you are effectively voting democrat. The green party wont win. Lieberman is the only exception I know of.

For every Rat you see there are a hundred that you dont see. Its the same thing with politicians. For every crooked thing he does its only about one crime in a thousand he will get caught at.
We have the same stuff going on up here. I understand what your saying RR. We had lots of governments in Canada because of vote splitting.
But we also had lots of corrupt crooked governments for years in different areas because people would rather vote for their team even if they know they have bad apples in it.
The problem as I see it is that unless you vote these crooks out your never going to get a decent government. You might end up losing a few elections until you clean house but eventually you will come back better than ever.
If you vote for known crooks your sending the wrong message to politicians and the corruption will just snowball.
In Nova Scotia we had terrible provincial governments. Both Conservative and Liberals were so crooked that it would be hard for an outsider to comprehend just how crooked they were.
People down there were on teams. If their great, great, great, great Grandfather was a liberal then they were a liberal and they were always going to vote liberal nomatter what.
Even when there was no election going on both Liberal and Conservative voters looked at the otherside as another enemy race of people who where not to be associated with. Every aspect of life down there was politics. It was almost like you where in a gang or something. But what you ended up with was both sides being about the same as the Sopranoes.
I think I was about the first card carrying Reform member in Nova Scotia. Believe me I know what its like to go against the grain and be pressured. Haha Everybody Liberal and Conservative thought I was a radical! Hahaha.
But here is the thing. If I could only vote for a crook or somebody who does not represent me. I would simple not vote at all.
 

Econ101

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Good points, Roper. We must never let crooks hide behind a party name as it helps destroy the party. We must all admit wrongdoing, no matter if it is in the party you adhere to or not for this to be successful.

It is one of the ways our government fails us as Foley has clearly pointed out this election.
 

Red Robin

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Oldtimer said:
Thats the reason I have always thought the best interpreter of it was you yourself using what you felt in your heart....
What method of interpretation do you prefer? Do you interpret scripture with scripture? Do you interpret the clear verses then use them to interpret the difficult verses? Do you interpret literally if possible then look for allegory? Are you a dispensationalist? Just curious. You aren't saying are you that you just make it scripture say what you want do you?
 
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Anonymous

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Red Robin said:
Oldtimer said:
Thats the reason I have always thought the best interpreter of it was you yourself using what you felt in your heart....
What method of interpretation do you prefer? Do you interpret scripture with scripture? Do you interpret the clear verses then use them to interpret the difficult verses? Do you interpret literally if possible then look for allegory? Are you a dispensationalist? Just curious. You aren't saying are you that you just make it scripture say what you want do you?

I guess I use a lifetime of living and learning from all different sources and my own conscience, that God gave me for a reason, as my method to interpret it.....
 

Red Robin

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Oldtimer said:
Red Robin said:
Oldtimer said:
Thats the reason I have always thought the best interpreter of it was you yourself using what you felt in your heart....
What method of interpretation do you prefer? Do you interpret scripture with scripture? Do you interpret the clear verses then use them to interpret the difficult verses? Do you interpret literally if possible then look for allegory? Are you a dispensationalist? Just curious. You aren't saying are you that you just make it scripture say what you want do you?

I guess I use a lifetime of living and learning from all different sources and my own conscience, that God gave me for a reason, as my method to interpret it.....
So you guess ...that you use your experience and own concience......to interpret a book that you believe there is no true meaning to. Clever.
 

Econ101

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Red Robin said:
Oldtimer said:
Red Robin said:
What method of interpretation do you prefer? Do you interpret scripture with scripture? Do you interpret the clear verses then use them to interpret the difficult verses? Do you interpret literally if possible then look for allegory? Are you a dispensationalist? Just curious. You aren't saying are you that you just make it scripture say what you want do you?

I guess I use a lifetime of living and learning from all different sources and my own conscience, that God gave me for a reason, as my method to interpret it.....
So you guess ...that you use your experience and own concience......to interpret a book that you believe there is no true meaning to. Clever.

rr, everyone is ultimately responsible for their own actions, including crooks and skunks. We must continually strive to develop a system that deals with these kind of people or we become them. The republicans may have learned that lesson. They may be still learning.
 

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