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What would happen?

VanC

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I don't think it's going to happen, but I find the scenario of a president-elect being declared ineligible fascinating, so I did some checking. Guess what? I still don't know what would happen for sure, but here's what I think would happen:

There would not be another general election. The electoral college would meet in December as prescribed by law. Some states have laws requiring electors to vote for the ELIGIBLE candidate that won that state's popular vote. The electors from those states that are pledged to McCain would HAVE to vote for McCain. The electors from the other states, and those pledged to Obama, would be free to vote for anyone they chose, even someone not on the ballot. ALL the electors are required by law to vote only for ELIGIBLE candidates, so they could not legally vote for Obama as some sort of protest.

It's not likely any elector pledged to Obama would vote for McCain. Besides, if Obama was declared ineligible, and a Republican came out on top, there would probably be civil unrest like we've never seen before, and rightfully so. Surely the Obama electors would vote for another Democrat. My guess would be either Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton. I think under the circumstances those would be the two safest choices that most people would accept.

If Obama is sworn in and is then declared ineligible, Biden becomes president. I think. :lol:

As I said, I never could find a real good answer, but from what I could piece together, that's what I think would happen. As a matter of fact, I think I'll send an email to one of the professors at the U of Illinois College of Law and see what they say. If I find out, I'll let you know.
 

Red Barn Angus

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Very interesting thoughts. Now just one step further. If Obama was to be declared ineligible and Biden sworn in as president, would Pelosi become vice president?
 

Sandhusker

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Red Barn Angus said:
Very interesting thoughts. Now just one step further. If Obama was to be declared ineligible and Biden sworn in as president, would Pelosi become vice president?

I doubt it. If you look at all the times in history that the VP assumed the office of President, he chose his VP.
 

VanC

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
Red Barn Angus said:
Very interesting thoughts. Now just one step further. If Obama was to be declared ineligible and Biden sworn in as president, would Pelosi become vice president?

I doubt it. If you look at all the times in history that the VP assumed the office of President, he chose his VP.

Actually, Nixon and Ford were the only ones that chose their VP. Before that, when the office of Vice President became vacant, it remained vacant till the next election. The 25th Amenment, which was ratified in 1967, changed that. Now if the Vice President becomes President, or if the Vice President dies or resigns, the President nominates someone to fill the vacancy. The senate then has to approve the nomination by a majority vote.

Some of you may not be old enough to remember, but it all happened in the '70s. Vice President Spiro Agnew resigned. Nixon nominated Ford to become Vice President. Nixon resigned and Ford became President. Ford then nominated Nelson Rockefeller to become Vice President.

So, to answer your question, Red Barn, no, Pelosi would not become Vice President. But if Biden became President and then died or resigned before a new Vice President could be sworn in, she would become President. Make sense? :wink:
 

Mike

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U.S. Constitution
20th Amendent

Section 1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.
Section 2. The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.
Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
Section 4. The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them.
Section 5. Sections 1 and 2 shall take effect on the 15th day of October following the ratification of this article.
Section 6. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission.
 

Sandhusker

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Just think of how many other people are having this very same conversation and how it could be settled so quickly with virtually no expense. Why does't Obama do it? Makes a person wonder, doesn't it....
 

alice

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Sandhusker said:
Just think of how many other people are having this very same conversation and how it could be settled so quickly with virtually no expense. Why does't Obama do it? Makes a person wonder, doesn't it....

It has been settled...and you and everyone else that continues to carry on about it are grasping at straws.

I'll tell you what I was told when I carried on and on about GW being elected in 2004. I was told to "Deal with it...it is what it is at least for the next 4 years and all of your caterwalling isn't gonna change it."

Alice
 

Sandhusker

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alice said:
Sandhusker said:
Just think of how many other people are having this very same conversation and how it could be settled so quickly with virtually no expense. Why does't Obama do it? Makes a person wonder, doesn't it....

It has been settled...and you and everyone else that continues to carry on about it are grasping at straws.

I'll tell you what I was told when I carried on and on about GW being elected in 2004. I was told to "Deal with it...it is what it is at least for the next 4 years and all of your caterwalling isn't gonna change it."

Alice

It has not been settled. Obama has NOT provided a birth certificate. If he had, there wouldn't be so many lawsuits demanding the cert.

Why are you defending Obama while he ignores the Constitiution? Do you owe him money?
 

fff

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Sandhusker said:
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
Just think of how many other people are having this very same conversation and how it could be settled so quickly with virtually no expense. Why does't Obama do it? Makes a person wonder, doesn't it....

It has been settled...and you and everyone else that continues to carry on about it are grasping at straws.

I'll tell you what I was told when I carried on and on about GW being elected in 2004. I was told to "Deal with it...it is what it is at least for the next 4 years and all of your caterwalling isn't gonna change it."

Alice

It has not been settled. Obama has NOT provided a birth certificate. If he had, there wouldn't be so many lawsuits demanding the cert.

Why are you defending Obama while he ignores the Constitiution? Do you owe him money?

He has provided a birth certificate. He has provided a statement from the State of Hawaii verifying that it's a valid birth certificate.

Cases have been filed and either thrown out of court or ruled in Obama's favor. :D

HONOLULU -- The state's Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news
 
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Anonymous

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fff said:
Sandhusker said:
alice said:
It has been settled...and you and everyone else that continues to carry on about it are grasping at straws.

I'll tell you what I was told when I carried on and on about GW being elected in 2004. I was told to "Deal with it...it is what it is at least for the next 4 years and all of your caterwalling isn't gonna change it."

Alice

It has not been settled. Obama has NOT provided a birth certificate. If he had, there wouldn't be so many lawsuits demanding the cert.

Why are you defending Obama while he ignores the Constitiution? Do you owe him money?

He has provided a birth certificate. He has provided a statement from the State of Hawaii verifying that it's a valid birth certificate.

Cases have been filed and either thrown out of court or ruled in Obama's favor. :D

HONOLULU -- The state's Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news

fff- give up-- these guys wouldn't believe the Pope if he swore on a Bible he was there the minute he was conceived and the minute he was delivered...... :?
 

Sandhusker

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fff said:
Sandhusker said:
alice said:
It has been settled...and you and everyone else that continues to carry on about it are grasping at straws.

I'll tell you what I was told when I carried on and on about GW being elected in 2004. I was told to "Deal with it...it is what it is at least for the next 4 years and all of your caterwalling isn't gonna change it."

Alice

It has not been settled. Obama has NOT provided a birth certificate. If he had, there wouldn't be so many lawsuits demanding the cert.

Why are you defending Obama while he ignores the Constitiution? Do you owe him money?

He has provided a birth certificate. He has provided a statement from the State of Hawaii verifying that it's a valid birth certificate.

Cases have been filed and either thrown out of court or ruled in Obama's favor. :D

HONOLULU -- The state's Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news

If you'll take the time to read, you'll see that none of those cases were thrown out because Obama had already provided a birth cert.

What he has provided is NOT a birth certificate. It is a Certificate of Live Birth - a lesser document. You can get a COLB even if you were born in another country like...say...KENYA. Instead of paying lawyers to fight the claims, why doesn't he just provide the cert?
 

Sandhusker

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kolanuraven said:
So you believe that the only people smart enough to be President of the US are the ones born in the US???

How did you come up with that?

I believe that we need to follow the Constitution. Do you?
 

fff

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
fff said:
Sandhusker said:
It has not been settled. Obama has NOT provided a birth certificate. If he had, there wouldn't be so many lawsuits demanding the cert.

Why are you defending Obama while he ignores the Constitiution? Do you owe him money?

He has provided a birth certificate. He has provided a statement from the State of Hawaii verifying that it's a valid birth certificate.

Cases have been filed and either thrown out of court or ruled in Obama's favor. :D

HONOLULU -- The state's Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news

If you'll take the time to read, you'll see that none of those cases were thrown out because Obama had already provided a birth cert.

What he has provided is NOT a birth certificate. It is a Certificate of Live Birth - a lesser document. You can get a COLB even if you were born in another country like...say...KENYA. Instead of paying lawyers to fight the claims, why doesn't he just provide the cert?

In the State of Hawaii a COLB and a Birth Certificate are interchangeable, as they are in many states. If he were born in Kenya, it would say so on the COLB. There's a birth announcement in the newspaper on the date of his birth.

HONOLULU -- The state's Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

Are you suggesting the Dept of Health director is lying?

FactCheck says
FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
 

Sandhusker

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There's an eyewitness who claims to have been at his birth in Kenya. Is she lying? Why did Obama instruct her not to talk to anybody about the issue anymore? Why won't Kenyan officials provide records to investigators? Looks more to me like mafia witness tampering than the actions of an innocent man.

Why did Obama send the cert that isn't to factcheck, and not to an unbiased group?

So now you're finally admitting that Obama provided a COLB and not a birth cert - baby steps.... Why then the claim that birth cert was provided? WHY WON'T THE SLIMY BASTARD PROVIDE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE?
 

Bullhauler

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Sandhusker said:
There's an eyewitness who claims to have been at his birth in Kenya. Is she lying? Why did Obama instruct her not to talk to anybody about the issue anymore? Why won't Kenyan officials provide records to investigators? Looks more to me like mafia witness tampering than the actions of an innocent man.

Why did Obama send the cert that isn't to factcheck, and not to an unbiased group?

So now you're finally admitting that Obama provided a COLB and not a birth cert - baby steps.... Why then the claim that birth cert was provided? WHY WON'T THE SLIMY BASTARD PROVIDE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

Are you denying that Barack Obama's mother was a United States citizen at the time of his birth? It really doesn't matter where he was born as long as his mother was a United States citizen. You need to give it up and move on.
 

Sandhusker

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Bullhauler, "Are you denying that Barack Obama's mother was a United States citizen at the time of his birth? It really doesn't matter where he was born as long as his mother was a United States citizen. You need to give it up and move on."

You need to get some facts before you comment.
 
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Anonymous

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Sandhusker said:
There's an eyewitness who claims to have been at his birth in Kenya. Is she lying? Why did Obama instruct her not to talk to anybody about the issue anymore? Why won't Kenyan officials provide records to investigators? Looks more to me like mafia witness tampering than the actions of an innocent man.

Why did Obama send the cert that isn't to factcheck, and not to an unbiased group?

So now you're finally admitting that Obama provided a COLB and not a birth cert - baby steps.... Why then the claim that birth cert was provided? WHY WON'T THE SLIMY BASTARD PROVIDE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

I'll bet its all a big left wing conspiracy to give you, Mike and jigs massive coronaries :shock: :wink: :lol: :p
 

Sandhusker

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You've been in law enforcement. A man is accused of something that an eyewitness confirms. The eyewitness is then instructed to shut up by that man. When pressed for the one document that will prove his guilt/innocense, he instead provides a cheaper substitute, claiming it to be the required document, and he provides it to his friends for verification. When he is again pressed for the original document that might cost him $20 to provide, he instead hires lawyers for lord knows how much to fight it.

Now, are these the actions of an innocent man? Do you see any red flags here?
 
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