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Disagreeable

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Our president gives a speech on immigration and there's no discussion on this page? I didn't watch it. But surely all his supporters on this boad did. Tell us what you think about his plan?
 

kolanuraven

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I didn't watch it either....but now that you mention it.....it is odd that none of the 'cheerleaders' have come forth with praise!!!

I did hear several Rep senators afterwards say he'd been better off NOT giving the speech! Dana Rohbacher (sp??) was one.
 

Disagreeable

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I've been reading left and right blogs. It seems more left leaning bloggers liked the speech better than right leaning bloggers. And Tom Stump of Human Events online says Bush has lost him and every Republican voter he knows. Is it a move toward the center for Bush? Or did he think bring the Guard to the border would help him with the far Right? It's going to be hard for people like Tancredo (R-CO) and McHenry (R-NC) to backtrack on amnesty and support this program after their posturing.
 
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Anonymous

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I don't think his plan is going to go very far- I don't think he can get Congress to agree on a complete program as long as he is still offering an amnesty- and that is what it is when he gives the illegal lawbreakers first chance at papers and eventually citizenship....I heard several of the conservative congressman already saying they weren't going to allow it....

They might whip out some kind of bill to additionally fund the National Guard and border patrol to close the borders- but I don't think he's going to get anything long term thru as long as he holds on to his temporary worker program plan which is essentially an amnesty......

Close the borders solid to illegals first- That should be our primary goal....I approve his actions to do that- altho I don't think he went far enough- 6000 troops is not enough..... Then get the illegals out - which wouldn't be hard if the business's hiring them were prosecuted vigorously and to fullest extent of the law- if they have no place to work they will leave....Then work on a way to get LEGAL immigrants into the country if they are truly needed....

It will take drastic measures to cure a drastic situation- and I don't think Bush's Corporate World run administration will take them...
 

kolanuraven

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I have a question for those who want deportation of illegals already here?


What do you do with the children of the ' illegals'????? I mean those kids who were born here in the US and they, themselves are US citizens?

Can't ship Mommie y Poppie back to Mejico and leave the kids here?
 

Red Robin

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kolanuraven said:
I have a question for those who want deportation of illegals already here?


What do you do with the children of the ' illegals'????? I mean those kids who were born here in the US and they, themselves are US citizens?

Can't ship Mommie y Poppie back to Mejico and leave the kids here?
I think they do some. I know of one case but the kid stayed with relatives and the shippies where back in a month or less. One big happy family again.
 

BBJ

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Disagreeable said:
Our president gives a speech on immigration and there's no discussion on this page? I didn't watch it. But surely all his supporters on this boad did. Tell us what you think about his plan?

I wasn't able to watch it either but I've read a little of his speech and plan to read the rest as soon as I can. I will say that at this point I don't know that I particularly agree with 100% of what he said. Us Conservatives have the abilty to do that you see, we can and do sometimes "dis"agree with other Conservatives. :p

I will add that I don't hear any proposals by any demo-crats. :wink: Why is that? :???: Oh I know the answer will be that the Govt is lead by the Republicans and so the libs hands are basically tied but you would think if they had any grand ideas they would be out there sticking it to the Republicans. :lol:
 

BBJ

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Red Robin said:
kolanuraven said:
I have a question for those who want deportation of illegals already here?


What do you do with the children of the ' illegals'????? I mean those kids who were born here in the US and they, themselves are US citizens?

Can't ship Mommie y Poppie back to Mejico and leave the kids here?
I think they do some. I know of one case but the kid stayed with relatives and the shippies where back in a month or less. One big happy family again.

What about elein gonzales? (SP?) What happened to him? Who was in charge of that one? :lol2:
 

Disagreeable

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Oldtimer said:
I don't think his plan is going to go very far- I don't think he can get Congress to agree on a complete program as long as he is still offering an amnesty- and that is what it is when he gives the illegal lawbreakers first chance at papers and eventually citizenship....I heard several of the conservative congressman already saying they weren't going to allow it....

They might whip out some kind of bill to additionally fund the National Guard and border patrol to close the borders- but I don't think he's going to get anything long term thru as long as he holds on to his temporary worker program plan which is essentially an amnesty......

Close the borders solid to illegals first- That should be our primary goal....I approve his actions to do that- altho I don't think he went far enough- 6000 troops is not enough..... Then get the illegals out - which wouldn't be hard if the business's hiring them were prosecuted vigorously and to fullest extent of the law- if they have no place to work they will leave....Then work on a way to get LEGAL immigrants into the country if they are truly needed....

It will take drastic measures to cure a drastic situation- and I don't think Bush's Corporate World run administration will take them...

I think you're right. If we enforced the laws against hiring illegals, there would be no reason for them to come in here. My son managed a lawn service company for ten years. He knew the guys were giving him forged documents, but he didn't have to verify they were real.

But big businesses want that cheap labor and they give big bucks to politicians. Americans want cheap products, especially food. Plus if unemployment in this country is only 4-5%, who's going to do the work of those thousands of illegals when we deport them?
 

Disagreeable

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BBJ said:
What about elein gonzales? (SP?) What happened to him? Who was in charge of that one? :lol2:

Are you serious? Cubans have special standing because they're from a Communist country. If they reach our soil, they can stay. If they are caught on the water, they are turned around and sent back. Elian Gonzalez's mother died when the boat sunk they were on. He survived and was brought to US soil. He was turned over to relatives. His father in Cuba wanted him back. His US relatives refused to send him back. After the Supreme Court refused to hear his case, Attorney General Janet Reno sent troops into their home, took the kid and gave him back to his dad. There was a report on him last year when he started school in Cuba. He looked happy and healthy.

Followup at this link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4471099.stm
 

BBJ

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Disagreeable said:
Oldtimer said:
I don't think his plan is going to go very far- I don't think he can get Congress to agree on a complete program as long as he is still offering an amnesty- and that is what it is when he gives the illegal lawbreakers first chance at papers and eventually citizenship....I heard several of the conservative congressman already saying they weren't going to allow it....

They might whip out some kind of bill to additionally fund the National Guard and border patrol to close the borders- but I don't think he's going to get anything long term thru as long as he holds on to his temporary worker program plan which is essentially an amnesty......

Close the borders solid to illegals first- That should be our primary goal....I approve his actions to do that- altho I don't think he went far enough- 6000 troops is not enough..... Then get the illegals out - which wouldn't be hard if the business's hiring them were prosecuted vigorously and to fullest extent of the law- if they have no place to work they will leave....Then work on a way to get LEGAL immigrants into the country if they are truly needed....

It will take drastic measures to cure a drastic situation- and I don't think Bush's Corporate World run administration will take them...

I think you're right. If we enforced the laws against hiring illegals, there would be no reason for them to come in here. My son managed a lawn service company for ten years. He knew the guys were giving him forged documents, but he didn't have to verify they were real.

But big businesses want that cheap labor and they give big bucks to politicians. Americans want cheap products, especially food. Plus if unemployment in this country is only 4-5%, who's going to do the work of those thousands of illegals when we deport them?

So your son is part of the problem? :???: :? :???:

You asked who is going to do the work of those thousands of illegals? I've got an idea, how about the welfare recipients. :shock: Make them go to work and get subsidized by the govt instead of just mooching off of it. :eek:
 

kolanuraven

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E. Gonzalez was not born here....he was a citizen of Cuba looking for asylum....apples and oranges here.

Ok.. PT if you make if the parents choice...what if the parents decided now was their time to dump the little kiddies and run???? Then what??? Gov't orphanages???

And I call tell you for personal experience you CAN NOT tell the fake documents from the real ones... they are THAT good. When you try to call INS for verification.....you'll be on hold for at least an hour....if not more!
 
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Anonymous

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passin thru said:
what if the parents decided now was their time to dump the little kiddies and run???? Then what??? Gov't orphanages???

I guess you would treat them like any other US citizens that their parents abandoned.

Wouldn't be much different than it currently is- we (US taxpayer) paid for their being born, are already paying their medical costs, pharmaceutical costs, education and social costs- so if their parents wish to abandon their kids it won't be much more cost to the taxpayer...

Except parents that would abandon their kids should be blacklisted for Legal immigration and any work program........
 

Faster horses

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Regarding the comment on welfare recipients, "make them go to work". Great idea!
How would you like to hire them~the ones that don't want to work and have never worked, I mean?

How do you MAKE someone work this day and age? We are reaping what we sowed...generations of welfare people.

We bought a horse once that had never done much. Stood around in a pasture. The horse was 10. He'd never done anything and he didn't want to do anything either. He spent a lot of energy trying to get out of work. It was a lot of work getting him to do something. He never amounted to a tinkers darn.
Get my point? :wink:
 

ranchwife

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Faster horses said:
Regarding the comment on welfare recipients, "make them go to work". Great idea!
How would you like to hire them~the ones that don't want to work and have never worked, I mean?

How do you MAKE someone work this day and age? We are reaping what we sowed...generations of welfare people.

We bought a horse once that had never done much. Stood around in a pasture. The horse was 10. He'd never done anything and he didn't want to do anything either. He spent a lot of energy trying to get out of work. It was a lot of work getting him to do something. He never amounted to a tinkers darn.
Get my point? :wink:

sad, but true!! :cry:
 
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