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What's going on with Ron Paul and FOX News?

T99

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I turned my radio on a little too late this afternoon and heard the last few minutes of an interview with Ron Paul. He says he's not being allowed on a debate on FOX. The interviewer asked him what it is that FOX was objecting to and Paul said "the content of his message." Does anybody know the whole story here? I thought I just saw on TV this morning that he's way ahead of Rudy in the polls and tied with another Republican.
 
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T99 said:
I turned my radio on a little too late this afternoon and heard the last few minutes of an interview with Ron Paul. He says he's not being allowed on a debate on FOX. The interviewer asked him what it is that FOX was objecting to and Paul said "the content of his message." Does anybody know the whole story here? I thought I just saw on TV this morning that he's way ahead of Rudy in the polls and tied with another Republican.

FOX is supporting Rudy. Roger Ailes runs FOX and he and Rudy are long time, personal friends. Ron Paul is outspoken in his objection to the Iraq war. He doesn't fit the "mold" that the current Republican Party wants. He's actually a bit of a kook, but he's raised more money this quarter than any other Republican candidate and in some polls is ahead of Fred Thompson. Yet FOX is so far refusing to allow him on their debate stage. It's going to be interesting to see what criteria they use to exclude him. Rudy still leads in national polls, though that lead is shrinking fast.
 
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Anonymous

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This is what scares me--control of the press and using the press to propogandize..... The reason I posted a couple of weeks ago the negative comments about the FCC votes that were done in the middle of the night (to avoid live coverage) when the Bush appointees voted to allow over 100 major media outlets to merger and further monopolize the industry....Even when all the records/transcripts showed that in hearings thruout the country the commisioners were told by the majority of the populace that they OPPOSE any more mergers- and media empire building...And several of those publications/radio stations/tv outlets that combined were owned by Rupert Murdoch- father of FOX news......

Should Big Media Choose Our Candidates?

By Rory O'Connor, AlterNet. Posted January 2, 2008.



Why should ABC and Fox get to decide who is a viable candidate for president?

Should Big Media decide for the rest of us who is -- and more importantly who is not -- a viable candidate for president? It's bad enough that thus far the reporting of this year's quadrennial presidential pursuit has been even more insubstantial than ever, focused on the horse race, the fundraising, the polls, the pundits, the haircuts and assorted other bits of silliness -- anything other than actual issues of concern to voters and importance to the world.

Now we find Big Media, (specifically its Fox/ABC News wing,) determined to narrow the field of presidential candidates before any of us, other than a handful of white people in Iowa, even get a chance to vote!

Both television networks plan to winnow out presidential candidates they deem unacceptable and prevent them from participating in important debates to be held this weekend -- just before the crucial New Hampshire primary.

Fox has invited just five of the seven remaining Republican candidates to a forum with Chris Wallace scheduled for Sunday in the Granite State -- only two days before the nation's first presidential primary. Although Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, John McCain, Mitt Romney and even the barely breathing Fred Thompson were all invited, two current candidates, both current Members of Congress, were not -- Duncan Hunter and Ron Paul.

The Fox excuse? "Space is limited" in the "souped-up bus" that is serving as a mobile studio. As a result, Fox executives say that, for space reasons, they decided only to invite those candidates who had received double-digit support in recent polls. Forget the fact that Ron Paul actually is ahead of Thompson (6 percent to 4 percent) among all New Hampshire voters in the most recent Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll, or that the two were tied with the support of 4 percent of likely voters ...

Forget as well the fact that Paul recently shattered the record for online fundraising in a single day, raising nearly $6 million in 24 hours -- a little more than a month after he amazed the pollsters, pundits and political professionals by hauling in $4.3 million during the same time span. (Not bad considering that on the day that John Kerry accepted the 2004 Democratic nomination, he raised $5.7 million on the Internet -- the biggest online fundraising day on record until the supposedly non-viable Ron Paul surpassed it.)

But consider at least these facts: in just the last three months, Paul collected more than $19.5 million, bringing his total for the year to more than $25 million. More than 130,000 contributors gave to Paul during the fourth quarter, including more than 107,000 new donors.

"This is exciting. It's crazy. I can't imagine any other Republican raising this kind of money this quarter. This means Ron Paul's message is really resonating with people," Jim Forsythe, who leads Paul's New Hampshire MeetUp group, told the Washington Post.

But Big Media doesn't seem as impressed -- at least now. Remember just a few months ago, however, when how much money a candidate was able to raise was the Big Media imprimatur of viability? Now that Ron Paul has vaulted near the top of the fundraisers, it seems the bar is being moved, and is set a little higher for him.
http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/72418/
 

MoGal

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I don't thnk its over yet.... according to a Ron Paul interview I saw (think it was on Cspan) this evening the Republican committee (or whatever its called that is sponsoring it with Fox) is saying they may withdraw if all candidates aren't represented.

FF -- while I don't agree with everything Ron Paul wants, he's gonna have to go through Congress first (just as any president will) but there's more that I agree with him on than any other.... I think this fella summed it up pretty well.........

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20071218.html

So, who are these "kooks" who are sending Ron Paul so much money? And just why are they sending him so much money? I will tell you who they are, because I am one of them. They are rank-and-file, tax-paying citizens who are sick and tired of out-of-control federal spending and deficits. They have had it with an arrogant federal government that runs roughshod over both the Constitution and the liberties of the American people. They are people who have had enough of the IRS, the BATFE, and a thousand other federal agencies that have "erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance." (Declaration of Independence)

They are people who see through the phony, disingenuous federal politicians who only want to fleece the American citizenry for the purpose of building their own personal fortunes. They have had it with the Military-Industrial complex that desires to build international empires at the expense of the blood and sacrifice of the American people. They have had it with David Rockefeller and his Council on Foreign Relations. They have had it with the arrogance of George W. Bush and Nancy Pelosi.

They are sick and tired of paying outlandish taxes for a public education system that produces high school graduates who cannot read and write. They are sick and tired of working for 30 years to pay off a mortgage, only then to be forced to pay extortion money (a.k.a. property taxes) for the rest of their lives to the feudal state. They are sick and tired of the government telling them what they can and cannot do with their own property. They are sick and tired of watching people with food stamps buy T-bone steaks and expensive Nike tennis shoes while they are forced to buy fatty hamburger and cheap sneakers.

They are sick and tired of watching their manufacturing jobs go to China and India. They have had it with money-hungry businessmen who hire illegal Mexicans at slave labor wages. They have had it with labor unions promoting politicians who support NAFTA, CAFTA, and the FTAA. They are sick and tired of being bled dry at the gas pump.

They have had it with this phony "war on terrorism" that sends trillions of dollars to nations throughout the Middle East, but refuses to close our own borders to illegal immigration. They have had it with the "war on drugs" and the "war on terror" being used as excuses to trample people's freedoms. They have it with Vicente Fox and Felipe Calderon. They have had it with Bush's North American Union. They have had it with Joel Osteen and Rick Warren. In short, they have just had it!

They also know that a vote for any other Presidential candidate is a vote for more of the same. Democrat or Republican: it is more of the same. Ron Paul, and Ron Paul alone, will bring a revolution of freedom and independence to America. Believe me, the Ron Paul revolution is bigger than Ron Paul. This is the beginning of a movement.
 

loomixguy

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Soapweed said:
Maybe THEY should hire Tim Wilson to write them a song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0JSMXpWVuQ

:lol: I thought I was the only fan of Little Timmy Wilson here! :lol:

But Soap, that song ain't fit for those with delicate ears. That song is my sig line, but I do have it marked as not safe to listen to at work.
 
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Anonymous

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MoGal said:
I don't thnk its over yet.... according to a Ron Paul interview I saw (think it was on Cspan) this evening the Republican committee (or whatever its called that is sponsoring it with Fox) is saying they may withdraw if all candidates aren't represented.

FF -- while I don't agree with everything Ron Paul wants, he's gonna have to go through Congress first (just as any president will) but there's more that I agree with him on than any other.... I think this fella summed it up pretty well.........

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20071218.html

So, who are these "kooks" who are sending Ron Paul so much money? And just why are they sending him so much money? I will tell you who they are, because I am one of them. They are rank-and-file, tax-paying citizens who are sick and tired of out-of-control federal spending and deficits. They have had it with an arrogant federal government that runs roughshod over both the Constitution and the liberties of the American people. They are people who have had enough of the IRS, the BATFE, and a thousand other federal agencies that have "erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance." (Declaration of Independence)

They are people who see through the phony, disingenuous federal politicians who only want to fleece the American citizenry for the purpose of building their own personal fortunes. They have had it with the Military-Industrial complex that desires to build international empires at the expense of the blood and sacrifice of the American people. They have had it with David Rockefeller and his Council on Foreign Relations. They have had it with the arrogance of George W. Bush and Nancy Pelosi.

They are sick and tired of paying outlandish taxes for a public education system that produces high school graduates who cannot read and write. They are sick and tired of working for 30 years to pay off a mortgage, only then to be forced to pay extortion money (a.k.a. property taxes) for the rest of their lives to the feudal state. They are sick and tired of the government telling them what they can and cannot do with their own property. They are sick and tired of watching people with food stamps buy T-bone steaks and expensive Nike tennis shoes while they are forced to buy fatty hamburger and cheap sneakers.

They are sick and tired of watching their manufacturing jobs go to China and India. They have had it with money-hungry businessmen who hire illegal Mexicans at slave labor wages. They have had it with labor unions promoting politicians who support NAFTA, CAFTA, and the FTAA. They are sick and tired of being bled dry at the gas pump.

They have had it with this phony "war on terrorism" that sends trillions of dollars to nations throughout the Middle East, but refuses to close our own borders to illegal immigration. They have had it with the "war on drugs" and the "war on terror" being used as excuses to trample people's freedoms. They have it with Vicente Fox and Felipe Calderon. They have had it with Bush's North American Union. They have had it with Joel Osteen and Rick Warren. In short, they have just had it!

They also know that a vote for any other Presidential candidate is a vote for more of the same. Democrat or Republican: it is more of the same. Ron Paul, and Ron Paul alone, will bring a revolution of freedom and independence to America. Believe me, the Ron Paul revolution is bigger than Ron Paul. This is the beginning of a movement.

It's easy to see why Paul supporters have been banned from the Red State site. :lol: If this was real, his poll numbers would be better than they are.

I never said Ron Paul's supporters were "kooks". I said he is a bit of a kook. And I think most people will agree with me. I see that his polling numbers have dropped off a bit since his racial comments from several years ago have been published. I think if people realize exactly what he would turn this country into, there won't be anywhere enough support for him to be elected dogcatcher.

Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee represent parts of the Republican Party that party leadership would rather not have us notice. They've pandered to them for years, but now they have actual candidates doing well, the party leaders are going after them tooth and nail. I love it! :lol: He's appealing to the same people Pat Buchanan appealed to a few years ago in his presidential run.

IMO, FOX should have him on the podium along with the other candidates. He's raised more money from more supporters than any other candidate. But since we know he's not going to get the Republican nomination, please encourage him to make an independent run. :D
 

passin thru

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Ok let's see, it's ok for the liberal news media to put there favorites up................but it is wrong if Fox ignores a minor candidate like Don Knotts with an attitude (who musta used Bengay instead of PrepH) ..............Gotcha
 

kolanuraven

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passin thru said:
Ok let's see, it's ok for the liberal news media to put there favorites up................but it is wrong if Fox ignores a minor candidate like Don Knotts with an attitude (who musta used Bengay instead of PrepH) ..............Gotcha


But why should the media decide who gets to speak to the American people?


We're not all in Iowa where you can't swing a dead cat and NOT hit a candidate!! :lol: :lol: TV is all the chance that some people have of seeing and hearing the candidates
 

Texan

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ff said:
I never said Ron Paul's supporters were "kooks". I said he is a bit of a kook. And I think most people will agree with me.
I wouldn't agree with you. I think he is much more than "a bit" of a kook. He's more like a fullblood.

That said, I doubt if there is any other candidate who has the understanding of the Constitution that Congressman Paul has. His fiscal policies would also probably be good for this country's future.

Even though he's a kook, if I were building my ideal presidential candidate, that candidate would probably include about 20-30% of Ron Paul.

ff said:
But since we know he's not going to get the Republican nomination, please encourage him to make an independent run. :D
Please KMA. :wink: I'm supporting Ralph Nader to make an independent run. I'd even give him money. :lol:
 

Texan

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The fact that Duncan Hunter is also left out should put to rest the talk about Fox News being a conservative media outlet. If they were really conservative, they would be promoting Hunter.
 

kolanuraven

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passin thru said:
But why should the media decide who gets to speak to the American people?

But it's ok for the liberal media to do it............gotcha


I knew my comment would make you get out of bed........... :)



Fox isn't liberal but yet they are doing what you claim the liberal media does.


I made my statement general in nature...you are the one that dodged my question.


I don't think it's right for ANY media to limit the candidates for the reasons I mentioned above.
 
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kolanuraven said:
passin thru said:
Ok let's see, it's ok for the liberal news media to put there favorites up................but it is wrong if Fox ignores a minor candidate like Don Knotts with an attitude (who musta used Bengay instead of PrepH) ..............Gotcha


But why should the media decide who gets to speak to the American people?


It's FOX's dollar. It's their network, it's their airtime, it's their format. They can invite whoever they want to debate. I just think it will be interesting to see what criteria they use for ignoring Ron Paul when he's outraising the top contenders by big bucks and from more individual supporters. If you don't like their format, don't watch the debate.
 

Steve

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ff
it's their airtime,


not really.... it's our airtime...

Radio and television, however, use a precious resource that belongs to all of us: the airwaves. and the broadcasters lease the spectrum from us, the American people. Because they are using a scarce resource, they have to abide by the terms of the lease; those terms are administered by the FCC. One of those terms is that the media can't use our resources to support one political candidate without giving others equal time.

See, it's quite simple. if Ron Paul is running... they shouldn't include him...

just as Kookinech shouldn't have been excluded from the Iowa debates,

The Des Moines Register newspaper, which is hosting the debate, says Kucinich and former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel didn't meet its' criteria for participation.
 

Steve

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KolanuRaven
But why should the media decide who gets to speak to the American people?

It is really to early in the year for me to be agreeing with you... all media should stick to reporting and not promoting a candidate..

the same media that brought US "Top Tier" Candidates now wants to limit who gets heard at the debates... they have in fact shut Duncan Hunter out... just as they have almost silenced Ron Paul, Kookinach and Mike Gravel

I think that each media out-let should be monitered and the day before the election, made to "settle" up on the equal time...
 

kolanuraven

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Steve said:
KolanuRaven
But why should the media decide who gets to speak to the American people?

It is really to early in the year for me to be agreeing with you...



I love it!!! :lol: :lol:

It has taken me only 3 days to mess with your head!!

This could ' mark' you for the rest of the year!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Man, that's got to be some sort of record!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Steve

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KolanuRaven
It has taken me only 3 days to mess with your head!!

I have no problem with agreeing with you once a year,.. but every time I do,.. my poor old computer crashes... :? :?

Now I only have 362 days to not agree with you left.. and that is alot easier then agreeing with you once,....
 

hopalong

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kolanuraven said:
Steve said:
KolanuRaven
But why should the media decide who gets to speak to the American people?

It is really to early in the year for me to be agreeing with you...



I love it!!! :lol: :lol:

It has taken me only 3 days to mess with your head!!

This could ' mark' you for the rest of the year!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Man, that's got to be some sort of record!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yep one real claim to fame! But then who expected anything
of substance from koolaid head!!
 
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Anonymous

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In Iowa- Paul got 10%-only 3% behind Thompson/McCain- Gagliani only got 2%....

Getting harder for FOX to justify--even tho Gagliani didn't want to run/campaign in Iowa :roll:
 
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