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nonothing

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I been watch things unfold In Iran on the nightly news...How many of you find this bravery of these people to be absolutly incredible?......It is amazing to see such defience in a muslim country.I hope the people win out....Thanks to the internet countries cant hide so much anymore....Today they were going to let go balloons in memory of that young lady who's shooting was saw by millions over the internet....
 

per

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Kind of brings back memories of Tiananmen Square. These folks seem to have more momentum. I'm with you, they are brave for sure.
 

aplusmnt

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nonothing said:
I been watch things unfold In Iran on the nightly news...How many of you find this bravery of these people to be absolutly incredible?......It is amazing to see such defience in a muslim country.I hope the people win out....Thanks to the internet countries cant hide so much anymore....Today they were going to let go balloons in memory of that young lady who's shooting was saw by millions over the internet....

America and Canada should be supporting them and doing all they can to help them over throw their oppressive leaders.
 

nonothing

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aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
I been watch things unfold In Iran on the nightly news...How many of you find this bravery of these people to be absolutly incredible?......It is amazing to see such defience in a muslim country.I hope the people win out....Thanks to the internet countries cant hide so much anymore....Today they were going to let go balloons in memory of that young lady who's shooting was saw by millions over the internet....

America and Canada should be supporting them and doing all they can to help them over throw their oppressive leaders.

I agree.....and so should the rest of the sane world..
 

leanin' H

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Isn't it amazing how just a tiny sliver of democracy can bring light and hope to a country! I hope the people of Iran get the chance to have thier voice and votes count.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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leanin' H said:
Isn't it amazing how just a tiny sliver of democracy can bring light and hope to a country! I hope the people of Iran get the chance to have thier voice and votes count.

I hope the people of Minnesota also get the chance to have their voice and votes count.
 

fff

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Big Muddy rancher said:
leanin' H said:
Isn't it amazing how just a tiny sliver of democracy can bring light and hope to a country! I hope the people of Iran get the chance to have thier voice and votes count.

I hope the people of Minnesota also get the chance to have their voice and votes count.

Ain't that the truth. Coleman and his staff have all taken other jobs, yet they refuse to allow Minnesota voters full representation in the Senate. It's a shame.
 

Tam

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fff said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
leanin' H said:
Isn't it amazing how just a tiny sliver of democracy can bring light and hope to a country! I hope the people of Iran get the chance to have thier voice and votes count.

I hope the people of Minnesota also get the chance to have their voice and votes count.

Ain't that the truth. Coleman and his staff have all taken other jobs, yet they refuse to allow Minnesota voters full representation in the Senate. It's a shame.

The question in Minn. should be did the voters get a say when reports of more ballots than voters came out. Then you have these little gems.

UPDATE: Hot off the press, the first apparent evidence of fraud. Last night at around 7:30, a precinct in Mountain Iron, St. Louis County, mysteriously updated its vote total to add 100 new votes–all 100 for Barack Obama and Al Franken.


A review of Minnesota’s statewide database of registered voters revealed at least 2,812 deceased individuals voted in last November’s general election, according to a new report by the “traditional values” advocacy group Minnesota Majority. snip......

Minnesota, the land of murky elections

By: Jeff Davis, OpEd Contributor
- | 6/2/09 5:53 AM
Minnesota has long been known as the land of 10,000 lakes. Over the past several months, however, our state has also become known as the battleground of the hotly contested U.S. Senate election involving incumbent Republican Norm Coleman and his Democratic challenger, Al Franken. We can now add to our list of notorieties as being the state with out-of-balance election records.

This past week, a group of citizens and state legislators filed a lawsuit against Minnesota Secretary of State Mark Ritchie and county election officials. The suit alleges that the officials violated state law by failing to post the record of who voted in the 2008 election by the statutory deadline and by failing to balance the number of recorded voters to the number of ballots.

Seven months after the election, Minnesotans still don’t have a complete record of who voted in November 2008. State law requires all voter histories to be posted within 6 weeks following an election.

At issue is a significant mismatch between the number of ballots reported in the official state canvassing board report of the 2008 election, and the number of corresponding voter histories in the statewide system.

The day after the lawsuit was filed, Ritchie himself admitted that election records are still out of balance by 30,000 to 40,000 votes. He also said he hopes to eventually whittle the discrepancy down to around a 1,000 vote difference. Tell that to Coleman and Franken who are still battling it out in court over just a few hundred votes.

Adding to the intrigue of this case is the fact that Ritchie’s predecessor, Mary Kiffmeyer states that she had put a process in place requiring counties to balance their election system records. She said it was her interpretation of the federal Help America Vote Act (HAVA) that compelled her to establish the procedure. It appears that Ritchie may have dismantled this process after taking over for Kiffmeyer.

This story really began more than seven months ago, in October 2008 when a number of irregularities were discovered in Minnesota’s voter registration records; things like deceased people being on the voter rolls, convicted felons who had registered to vote from prison and non-existent voter addresses. Instead of investigating these issues, Ritchie decided to circle the wagons, claiming at a press conference that Minnesota has one of the best election systems in the nation.

During this same time, ACORN was taking credit for registering more than 80,000 new voters in preparation for the 2008 election. Unlike other states that are now actively investigating and prosecuting ACORN for fraudulent election activity, Minnesota has done nothing. Allegations of wrong-doing were swiftly squashed by Minnesota’s ACORN-endorsed attorney general and Ritchie..

Minnesota has some of the most liberal election laws in the nation. Registered voters are not required to provide any form of identification to vote. People can register on Election Day by simply providing a paper utility bill as proof of identity and residence. No utility bill? No problem – someone in the precinct can vouch for you and 14 other people.

“Yeah, sure… I know these 15 people. What were your names again? Go ahead and let ‘em vote. I’ll vouch for ‘em.”

Fair and transparent elections are a cornerstone of our republic. Accurate and timely recordkeeping is a prerequisite. How can you know if embezzlement is occurring at a bank if you don’t know how much money was in the vault to start with? No one seems interested in doing the job of investigating.

From the Sioux, the name Minnesota translates to “muddy waters.” That never made much sense to me, because our sky-blue lakes and streams are generally crystal clear. Our election system has become anything but transparent, though. Rather than a crystal brook, it looks more like a dirty pond – the water is murky and offers a friendly environment for parasites. And that’s apparently just the way some Minnesota election officials would like to keep it.

Jeff Davis is president of Minnesota Majority, a legislative watchdog group which promotes traditional values in public policy.

Tell us fff why is there no record of who voted yet (ie whether they are dead or alive)? Why was there no investigation on ACORN in Minn? Could it be because the Dems are scared that actual living voters were not the ones casting the deciding 300+ votes given the investigations of Acorn in other states?
 
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fff said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
leanin' H said:
Isn't it amazing how just a tiny sliver of democracy can bring light and hope to a country! I hope the people of Iran get the chance to have thier voice and votes count.

I hope the people of Minnesota also get the chance to have their voice and votes count.

Ain't that the truth. Coleman and his staff have all taken other jobs, yet they refuse to allow Minnesota voters full representation in the Senate. It's a shame.

It just adds to the comment you often hear now- the only way Republicans can win anymore is thru a friendly court... :wink:

I'm not a Franken fan- and really thought Coleman worked hard for Ag and was hoping he'd win-- but he's beat- knows he's beat (like you say- he and all his staff have even taken other jobs)- and should now just graciously concede and step aside....

Its just the National Party now that is trying to keep another Dem from being seated because his chances are nil since he's lost every challenge and appeal...
 
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