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backhoeboogie

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Tam said:
reader (the Second) said:
Twister Frost said:
Sorry for the confusion, I bolded them so that readers would know what phrase I was talking about. I'm just a firm believer that once you resort to calling vile names or using vile language, you have lost the argument. And I have been a reader for a long time, so I am well aware of the attacks from both sides--I just didn't see the provocation prior to your post Nonothing. I realize now that I put myself out there to be called a "hall monitor"--I'm not. I just do not see what this did for the conversation other than to try to incite anger. Two wrongs will never make a right---JMHO.

Hi Twister. You are correct that it takes two to tango and that many of us have been rude.

I will say again that the attacks on Nonothing and OT have been incessant and savage and while that does not excuse Nonothing, I would have done the same in his place. These guys attack others sexual orientation, job performance and anything that they think will make them look important and get under the other person's skin. It's reminiscent of high school.

Really there are two choices -- leave PB or fight back. It's all about provoking liberals and insulting them instead of discussing. And we succumb and look bad ourselves eventually.

OMG this is so stupid it is funny. :roll: Your good buddies left PB and the first post back after several weeks she provoked a fight and then erased her posts and ran when she was challenged to discuss the article that proved the Canadian Health System was imploding. Everytime I have said there was a problem in our system I've been ATTACKED by her, Nonothing Oldtimer and YOU telling everyone that I couldn't possibably know more than she did as I didn't work in the system. Look who was ATTACKING to protect their OPINION and who was telling the truth. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

BTW wasn't your highlighted comment meant to PROVOKE and INSULT the Conservative on PB? But it is ALL ABOUT PROVOKING AND INSULTING THE LIBERALS :roll: :roll:

Tam, On the provoding thing - she has made statements to that affect. BadAxe has too.
 

nonothing

Well-known member
Steve said:
But how carve way i' the life that lies before, If bent on groaning ever for the past?

one of the most irrelevant tag lines of the week.. ?

or the most fitting?

Steve,I would imagine for you the best answer would be the one that puts me down the most....You have a real issue with me Steve..I am surprised you can step away from your mirror long enough to even think about another other then yourself.....I guess i should feel privileged,but i don't....
 

nonothing

Well-known member
Tam said:
reader (the Second) said:
Twister Frost said:
Sorry for the confusion, I bolded them so that readers would know what phrase I was talking about. I'm just a firm believer that once you resort to calling vile names or using vile language, you have lost the argument. And I have been a reader for a long time, so I am well aware of the attacks from both sides--I just didn't see the provocation prior to your post Nonothing. I realize now that I put myself out there to be called a "hall monitor"--I'm not. I just do not see what this did for the conversation other than to try to incite anger. Two wrongs will never make a right---JMHO.

Hi Twister. You are correct that it takes two to tango and that many of us have been rude.

I will say again that the attacks on Nonothing and OT have been incessant and savage and while that does not excuse Nonothing, I would have done the same in his place. These guys attack others sexual orientation, job performance and anything that they think will make them look important and get under the other person's skin. It's reminiscent of high school.

Really there are two choices -- leave PB or fight back. It's all about provoking liberals and insulting them instead of discussing. And we succumb and look bad ourselves eventually.

OMG this is so stupid it is funny. :roll: Your good buddies left PB and the first post back after several weeks she provoked a fight and then erased her posts and ran when she was challenged to discuss the article that proved the Canadian Health System was imploding. Everytime I have said there was a problem in our system I've been ATTACKED by her, Nonothing Oldtimer and YOU telling everyone that I couldn't possibably know more than she did as I didn't work in the system. Look who was ATTACKING to protect their OPINION and who was telling the truth. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

BTW wasn't your highlighted comment meant to PROVOKE and INSULT the Conservative on PB? But it is ALL ABOUT PROVOKING AND INSULTING THE LIBERALS :roll: :roll:


At least she never got ran out of Bull Session like you...BAWAHAHAHAHAH.......

You only posted negative cut and pastes running down our doctors,nurses and government but yet not once ,not ever,did you tell of the millions of families helped by our systems.......Families that could not aford 1800.00 dollars a night just for a icu room.....or the family last night whose daughter was airlifted off the free way and had her lived safe as she was at the hospital in less then five minutes......or the lady who could barely walk but had to wait a month to get a new hip .A hip she may of had to wait for but never could afford on her pension if she had to pay for it herself.....Or the old couple that recieves fair pharmacare because the cost of thier medication combined,would leave them no money for rent or even to eat.....Or the young girl with asthma who can get her puffer and needles that make easier for her to just simply be a kid,as her father does not make enough money like he used to in the mill....Sure some may wait for things but isnt waiting better that not ever getting?.......How would that lady in need of a new hip have to live in America......she would not be able to afford it.....and die in pain....

If you wanna talk about cleaning up cost.....why not start with privitising transit and road work and even after 12 visits start a small user pay system on doctors visits for people between 21 and 65.....There are definates ways to better our system but to go to an american style would cripple most canadian families that fall ill.......I wont sit here and say it is perfect but i certainly will say it helps wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy more then it hinders the canadian people......

Yes tam post more negative stuff thats how you roll,but at least be fair and try posting solutions rather then just championing Canada's demise.....You to hypo, maybe there is postive solutions,even for you two.....
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
who pays for all this free health care you speak of, Nonothing?

I know I've gone periods of 5 years without a visit to the Doctor/hospital, I was still paying taxes. Consider it banked for my later years.

I thought this thread was about "birthers".

Did you find the definition of "Natural Born Citizen" yet?
 

Tam

Well-known member
nonothing said:
Tam said:
reader (the Second) said:
Hi Twister. You are correct that it takes two to tango and that many of us have been rude.

I will say again that the attacks on Nonothing and OT have been incessant and savage and while that does not excuse Nonothing, I would have done the same in his place. These guys attack others sexual orientation, job performance and anything that they think will make them look important and get under the other person's skin. It's reminiscent of high school.

Really there are two choices -- leave PB or fight back. It's all about provoking liberals and insulting them instead of discussing. And we succumb and look bad ourselves eventually.

OMG this is so stupid it is funny. :roll: Your good buddies left PB and the first post back after several weeks she provoked a fight and then erased her posts and ran when she was challenged to discuss the article that proved the Canadian Health System was imploding. Everytime I have said there was a problem in our system I've been ATTACKED by her, Nonothing Oldtimer and YOU telling everyone that I couldn't possibably know more than she did as I didn't work in the system. Look who was ATTACKING to protect their OPINION and who was telling the truth. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

BTW wasn't your highlighted comment meant to PROVOKE and INSULT the Conservative on PB? But it is ALL ABOUT PROVOKING AND INSULTING THE LIBERALS :roll: :roll:


At least she never got ran out of Bull Session like you...BAWAHAHAHAHAH.......

You only posted negative cut and pastes running down our doctors,nurses and government but yet not once ,not ever,did you tell of the millions of families helped by our systems.......Families that could not aford 1800.00 dollars a night just for a icu room.....or the family last night whose daughter was airlifted off the free way and had her lived safe as she was at the hospital in less then five minutes......or the lady who could barely walk but had to wait a month to get a new hip .A hip she may of had to wait for but never could afford on her pension if she had to pay for it herself.....Or the old couple that recieves fair pharmacare because the cost of thier medication combined,would leave them no money for rent or even to eat.....Or the young girl with asthma who can get her puffer and needles that make easier for her to just simply be a kid,as her father does not make enough money like he used to in the mill....Sure some may wait for things but isnt waiting better that not ever getting?.......How would that lady in need of a new hip have to live in America......she would not be able to afford it.....and die in pain....

If you wanna talk about cleaning up cost.....why not start with privitising transit and road work and even after 12 visits start a small user pay system on doctors visits for people between 21 and 65.....There are definates ways to better our system but to go to an american style would cripple most canadian families that fall ill.......I wont sit here and say it is perfect but i certainly will say it helps wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy more then it hinders the canadian people......

Yes tam post more negative stuff thats how you roll,but at least be fair and try posting solutions rather then just championing Canada's demise.....You to hypo, maybe there is postive solutions,even for you two.....

Lie and Attack and Provoke fights that is how you roll Nonothing. :roll: You are not worth even trying to explain anything to as you don't care what the truth is.
 

nonothing

Well-known member
hypocritexposer said:
who pays for all this free health care you speak of, Nonothing?

I know I've gone periods of 5 years without a visit to the Doctor/hospital, I was still paying taxes. Consider it banked for my later years.

I thought this thread was about "birthers".

Did you find the definition of "Natural Born Citizen" yet?

to be honest Hypo i just like to rile the folks up here........being a canadian I do not really care if obama has a BC or not...Why would Canadians care so much about something that does not involve our nation in the least.....I do not give a rats azz about the USA constitution or what a natural born citizen has to do with it (as it does not include me in it's mantra)......Now if Obama was attacking a country that never attacked his and sent our troops to die fighting in the country where his countries attacker was knowinly hiding...Then yes,I would be pizzed off.....Do I care what kind of medical the States have .not really...I do think in 2009 that all western countries should have affordable health care but thats just an opinion.......I will stand up for my country when it is attacked by its own people and those of another country....but really I could care less about the American constitution,its medical plan and its natural born citizen requirements.Having an opinion is one thing,but really like Aplus will tell you,it really does not involve me or you hypo....My opinion is this,i think that obama seems to care about America ,so there for and for his own sake,I hope one day it shows his bc in his favour...but i dont not really care and not sure why you do so much either....Its not our bussiness to protect thier constitution or belittle it,that thiers....We really have enough going on in our own country like the HST tax.That you should be more up in arms about,rather than another countries leaders place of birth..
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
nonothing said:
Do I care what kind of medical the States have .not really....

Actually this is one area you should care a little about. You see if we go to a similar medical system as you have in Canada, then thousands of Canadians that now cross the border to the U.S. to get medical care will not be able to do so anymore. You see we would have the same wait times as you guys as we would encounter a shortage of doctors and nurses also that could not handle the surge of new patients.

Canada would be a loser in us getting social health care because now your wait times would get even worse because those that come to the U.S. and pay out of pocket would no longer be able to do so and would have to enter back into the Canadian system and as a result pushing your wait times eve worse!

You see Canada has a lot to lose in this fight! Who will you send your people needing MRI's and those Multiple Births to? We would be forced to turn your people away because we would be over loaded with our own!

Seems the Mexicans have the most to gain because they will get to come across the border and get free medical that they can not get back home. But the U.S. and Canada will be the losers!
 

Tam

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
Do I care what kind of medical the States have .not really....

Actually this is one area you should care a little about. You see if we go to a similar medical system as you have in Canada, then thousands of Canadians that now cross the border to the U.S. to get medical care will not be able to do so anymore. You see we would have the same wait times as you guys as we would encounter a shortage of doctors and nurses also that could not handle the surge of new patients.

Canada would be a loser in us getting social health care because now your wait times would get even worse because those that come to the U.S. and pay out of pocket would no longer be able to do so and would have to enter back into the Canadian system and as a result pushing your wait times eve worse!

You see Canada has a lot to lose in this fight! Who will you send your people needing MRI's and those Multiple Births to? We would be forced to turn your people away because we would be over loaded with our own!

Seems the Mexicans have the most to gain because they will get to come across the border and get free medical that they can not get back home. But the U.S. and Canada will be the losers!

The problem in your thinking Aplusmnt is that nonothing doesn't know there are waiting list in Canada and doesn't realize that people are leaving Canada for treatment in the US. He thinks the Canadian system is Great and everyone in Canada is getting all the health care they need all free of charge. We are growing old and our government is looking after us like no other country in the World. I'm sure he thinks that if you go to a one payer system like we have everything will be lollipops and roses there too. He also still believes in the tooth fairy, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, so talking to him about why Canadians should care is a WASTE OF TIME. :wink:
 

nonothing

Well-known member
Tam said:
aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
Do I care what kind of medical the States have .not really....

Actually this is one area you should care a little about. You see if we go to a similar medical system as you have in Canada, then thousands of Canadians that now cross the border to the U.S. to get medical care will not be able to do so anymore. You see we would have the same wait times as you guys as we would encounter a shortage of doctors and nurses also that could not handle the surge of new patients.

Canada would be a loser in us getting social health care because now your wait times would get even worse because those that come to the U.S. and pay out of pocket would no longer be able to do so and would have to enter back into the Canadian system and as a result pushing your wait times eve worse!

You see Canada has a lot to lose in this fight! Who will you send your people needing MRI's and those Multiple Births to? We would be forced to turn your people away because we would be over loaded with our own!

Seems the Mexicans have the most to gain because they will get to come across the border and get free medical that they can not get back home. But the U.S. and Canada will be the losers!

The problem in your thinking Aplusmnt is that nonothing doesn't know there are waiting list in Canada and doesn't realize that people are leaving Canada for treatment in the US. He thinks the Canadian system is Great and everyone in Canada is getting all the health care they need all free of charge. We are growing old and our government is looking after us like no other country in the World. I'm sure he thinks that if you go to a one payer system like we have everything will be lollipops and roses there too. He also still believes in the tooth fairy, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, so talking to him about why Canadians should care is a WASTE OF TIME. :wink:

First off the only reason Canadians can use American MRI machines is because Americans cannot affoerd to use them themselfs.....Secondly I just mentioned the women who had to wait to get a new hip ...but at least she got one.In America she would become a shut in living in pain the rest of her life......Waiting is just a fact of numbers no matter what it is..even in sandhuskers bank i bet you have to wait in line for a till to open..waiting is a numbers game...If you can afford to go to america and by pass the wait..fill your boots.....no system can excist without wait times....unless of course no one is using the system as the can not afford it.....Some people do have to wait...and i would say in some cases that is unfair and works against healing.....but the other alternative is simply no care as it is not affordable....Companies are not gonna foot the bill for medicare much longer....once one decides to stop paying others companies will follow,hell Aplus does not pay his employees any medical care .....You do not like the government handling your health care but you trust corporations with it instead.Thats a laff .....Your both right ,if health care was affordable to all,wait times will increase....but if it reamains price unattainable then you will have idle hospitals and greedy insurance sales man....At least in Canada that lady with the new hip can now enjoy her days again after waiting in pain......In america,she better like staying in bed cause she wont beable to get out of it unless she wins the lotto.....

Tam,you cry about others picking on you yet you have no trouble being condisending towards me......tell you what...Stop bitching about how your such a great debater while others do not debate the points,and just insult you..........As you are a full on hypocrite now yourself ...
 

hopalong

Well-known member
nonothing said:
Tam said:
aplusmnt said:
Actually this is one area you should care a little about. You see if we go to a similar medical system as you have in Canada, then thousands of Canadians that now cross the border to the U.S. to get medical care will not be able to do so anymore. You see we would have the same wait times as you guys as we would encounter a shortage of doctors and nurses also that could not handle the surge of new patients.

Canada would be a loser in us getting social health care because now your wait times would get even worse because those that come to the U.S. and pay out of pocket would no longer be able to do so and would have to enter back into the Canadian system and as a result pushing your wait times eve worse!

You see Canada has a lot to lose in this fight! Who will you send your people needing MRI's and those Multiple Births to? We would be forced to turn your people away because we would be over loaded with our own!

Seems the Mexicans have the most to gain because they will get to come across the border and get free medical that they can not get back home. But the U.S. and Canada will be the losers!

The problem in your thinking Aplusmnt is that nonothing doesn't know there are waiting list in Canada and doesn't realize that people are leaving Canada for treatment in the US. He thinks the Canadian system is Great and everyone in Canada is getting all the health care they need all free of charge. We are growing old and our government is looking after us like no other country in the World. I'm sure he thinks that if you go to a one payer system like we have everything will be lollipops and roses there too. He also still believes in the tooth fairy, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, so talking to him about why Canadians should care is a WASTE OF TIME. :wink:

First off the only reason Canadians can use American MRI machines is because Americans cannot affoerd to use them themselfs.....Secondly I just mentioned the women who had to wait to get a new hip ...but at least she got one.In America she would become a shut in living in pain the rest of her life......Waiting is just a fact of numbers no matter what it is..even in sandhuskers bank i bet you have to wait in line for a till to open..waiting is a numbers game...If you can afford to go to america and by pass the wait..fill your boots.....no system can excist without wait times....unless of course no one is using the system as the can not afford it.....Some people do have to wait...and i would say in some cases that is unfair and works against healing.....but the other alternative is simply no care as it is not affordable....Companies are not gonna foot the bill for medicare much longer....once one decides to stop paying others companies will follow,hell Aplus does not pay his employees any medical care .....You do not like the government handling your health care but you trust corporations with it instead.Thats a laff .....Your both right ,if health care was affordable to all,wait times will increase....but if it reamains price unattainable then you will have idle hospitals and greedy insurance sales man....At least in Canada that lady with the new hip can now enjoy her days again after waiting in pain......In america,she better like staying in bed cause she wont beable to get out of it unless she wins the lotto.....
Tam,you cry about others picking on you yet you have no trouble being condisending towards me......tell you what...Stop bitching about how your such a great debater while others do not debate the points,and just insult you..........As you are a full on hypocrite now yourself ...

Could you provide a link as to where you got the highlighted statements??? Or are just blowing air to see if you can still breathe??

Where are your facts????????
All you have posted is a bunch of gibbirish with nothing to back it up!!!
 

hopalong

Well-known member
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www.NewChoiceHealth.comTesting Facility Location Test Type Average Cost
Orlando, FL MRI $2,229
Dallas, TX - MRI Testing Facility A MRI $3,624
Dallas, TX - MRI Testing Facility B MRI $2,172
San Diego, CA MRI $2,826
Salt Lake City, UT MRI $1,694
Detroit, MI MRI $3,461
New York, NY - MRI Testing Facility A MRI $1,785
New York, NY - MRI Testing Facility B MRI $2,199
Raleigh, NC MRI $3,001
Omaha, NE MRI $2,502

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An orthopaedic surgeon will perform an initial evaluation, take a medical history and X-rays, possibly perform other tests such as an MRI to check bone and soft tissues, and discuss whether a hip replacement is right for the patient. If so, the doctor will provide a list of preparations for surgery, which might include blood tests and losing weight, if necessary.
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Tam

Well-known member
nonothing said:
Tam said:
aplusmnt said:
Actually this is one area you should care a little about. You see if we go to a similar medical system as you have in Canada, then thousands of Canadians that now cross the border to the U.S. to get medical care will not be able to do so anymore. You see we would have the same wait times as you guys as we would encounter a shortage of doctors and nurses also that could not handle the surge of new patients.

Canada would be a loser in us getting social health care because now your wait times would get even worse because those that come to the U.S. and pay out of pocket would no longer be able to do so and would have to enter back into the Canadian system and as a result pushing your wait times eve worse!

You see Canada has a lot to lose in this fight! Who will you send your people needing MRI's and those Multiple Births to? We would be forced to turn your people away because we would be over loaded with our own!

Seems the Mexicans have the most to gain because they will get to come across the border and get free medical that they can not get back home. But the U.S. and Canada will be the losers!

The problem in your thinking Aplusmnt is that nonothing doesn't know there are waiting list in Canada and doesn't realize that people are leaving Canada for treatment in the US. He thinks the Canadian system is Great and everyone in Canada is getting all the health care they need all free of charge. We are growing old and our government is looking after us like no other country in the World. I'm sure he thinks that if you go to a one payer system like we have everything will be lollipops and roses there too. He also still believes in the tooth fairy, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, so talking to him about why Canadians should care is a WASTE OF TIME. :wink:

First off the only reason Canadians can use American MRI machines is because Americans cannot affoerd to use them themselfs.....Secondly I just mentioned the women who had to wait to get a new hip ...but at least she got one.In America she would become a shut in living in pain the rest of her life......Waiting is just a fact of numbers no matter what it is..even in sandhuskers bank i bet you have to wait in line for a till to open..waiting is a numbers game...If you can afford to go to america and by pass the wait..fill your boots.....no system can excist without wait times....unless of course no one is using the system as the can not afford it.....Some people do have to wait...and i would say in some cases that is unfair and works against healing.....but the other alternative is simply no care as it is not affordable....Companies are not gonna foot the bill for medicare much longer....once one decides to stop paying others companies will follow,hell Aplus does not pay his employees any medical care .....You do not like the government handling your health care but you trust corporations with it instead.Thats a laff .....Your both right ,if health care was affordable to all,wait times will increase....but if it reamains price unattainable then you will have idle hospitals and greedy insurance sales man....At least in Canada that lady with the new hip can now enjoy her days again after waiting in pain......In america,she better like staying in bed cause she wont beable to get out of it unless she wins the lotto.....

Tam,you cry about others picking on you yet you have no trouble being condisending towards me......tell you what...Stop bitching about how your such a great debater while others do not debate the points,and just insult you..........As you are a full on hypocrite now yourself ...

BULL According to the polls 83% of Americans are happy with the insurance they have and want the US government to stay out of their health care. SO for your "opinion" to stand up these 83% of insured Americans aren't using those MRI machines either even though they have insurance paying the bill. :roll:

As for our system All you bring to that debate is again opinions and your OPINIONS can't stand up to the fact the "DOCTORS" are the ones saying it is imploding not me.IMPLODING DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS nonothing? That means the problems are bigger that you thinking according to the Canadian DOCTORS.

OH and your opinions don't stand up to the fact that the Supreme court made a ruling says "access to a waiting list is not access to health care". You see nonothing waiting list are a fact of life but UNREASONABLELY LONG WAITING LIST that risk a persons well being like we have in Canada is not acceptable according to the SUPREME COURT OF CANADA.

In a good debate FACTS out weigh OPINIONS everytime. And until you look at the facts and understand they are not my opinions there is no debate only you provoking fights so you have an excuse to attack and name call. :wink:
 

hopalong

Well-known member
Tam!
He doesn't need a reason to name call.

He was oxygen deprived as a child so name calling is an outlet for him to breath heavy!!

he, like alice and reader need to have the last word so expect it to come shortly in some sort of retort that is meaningless :wink:
 

Tam

Well-known member
hopalong said:
Tam!
He doesn't need a reason to name call.

He was oxygen deprived as a child so name calling is an outlet for him to breath heavy!!

he, like alice and reader need to have the last word so expect it to come shortly in some sort of retort that is meaningless :wink:

This whole thread was started because nonothing wanted to stir up people and provoke a fight. It is plain to see he doesn't want to debate he wants to play the victim which gives him an excuse to attack anyone that dares post a reply. That is why I'm beginning to believe he is a waste of time and skin. :roll:
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
nonothing said:
Tam said:
aplusmnt said:
Actually this is one area you should care a little about. You see if we go to a similar medical system as you have in Canada, then thousands of Canadians that now cross the border to the U.S. to get medical care will not be able to do so anymore. You see we would have the same wait times as you guys as we would encounter a shortage of doctors and nurses also that could not handle the surge of new patients.

Canada would be a loser in us getting social health care because now your wait times would get even worse because those that come to the U.S. and pay out of pocket would no longer be able to do so and would have to enter back into the Canadian system and as a result pushing your wait times eve worse!

You see Canada has a lot to lose in this fight! Who will you send your people needing MRI's and those Multiple Births to? We would be forced to turn your people away because we would be over loaded with our own!

Seems the Mexicans have the most to gain because they will get to come across the border and get free medical that they can not get back home. But the U.S. and Canada will be the losers!

The problem in your thinking Aplusmnt is that nonothing doesn't know there are waiting list in Canada and doesn't realize that people are leaving Canada for treatment in the US. He thinks the Canadian system is Great and everyone in Canada is getting all the health care they need all free of charge. We are growing old and our government is looking after us like no other country in the World. I'm sure he thinks that if you go to a one payer system like we have everything will be lollipops and roses there too. He also still believes in the tooth fairy, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, so talking to him about why Canadians should care is a WASTE OF TIME. :wink:

First off the only reason Canadians can use American MRI machines is because Americans cannot affoerd to use them themselfs.....Secondly I just mentioned the women who had to wait to get a new hip ...but at least she got one.In America she would become a shut in living in pain the rest of her life......Waiting is just a fact of numbers no matter what it is..even in sandhuskers bank i bet you have to wait in line for a till to open..waiting is a numbers game...If you can afford to go to america and by pass the wait..fill your boots.....no system can excist without wait times....unless of course no one is using the system as the can not afford it.....Some people do have to wait...and i would say in some cases that is unfair and works against healing.....but the other alternative is simply no care as it is not affordable....Companies are not gonna foot the bill for medicare much longer....once one decides to stop paying others companies will follow,hell Aplus does not pay his employees any medical care .....You do not like the government handling your health care but you trust corporations with it instead.Thats a laff .....Your both right ,if health care was affordable to all,wait times will increase....but if it reamains price unattainable then you will have idle hospitals and greedy insurance sales man....At least in Canada that lady with the new hip can now enjoy her days again after waiting in pain......In america,she better like staying in bed cause she wont beable to get out of it unless she wins the lotto.....

Tam,you cry about others picking on you yet you have no trouble being condisending towards me......tell you what...Stop bitching about how your such a great debater while others do not debate the points,and just insult you..........As you are a full on hypocrite now yourself ...

It is one thing to base you views on Canadian Health care on your own opinions but leave your theology on your side of the border! You have no facts or truth in anything you say about us.

Statistically per capita we give more MRI's to patients. Not only do we have more machines per capita our citizens use them more per capita. They are not sitting idle waiting for a Canadian to come pay to use them as you say!

Secondly companies do not pay Medicare, it is a Government ran program similar to you Canadian Government health care. So Companies have no way to stop paying it.

Thirdly we have programs in place to help those that need hip replacements, if you can actually afford it then payments can be set up with doctors, if you can not afford it then you can get it through our welfare system aka medicare. There is also charities all around the U.S. to help people with these problems. If you are older which 90% of hip replacements are then they would qualify for Medicaid and they would pay for it!

You are welcome to discuss our medical system all you want, but please give us the respect we do in discussing yours, you know the FACTS not your opinion! You see conservatives like to look at FACTS, we do not bounce arounnd in Never-land or Wonderland or whatever fantasy world you liberals do!
 

Faster horses

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I saw how Canadian Health Care works in some situations with my own eyes. I was at a house where there was a very elderly, very ill, old woman. She had to be taken to the hospital in an ambulance. When the hospital decided she could come home; they sent her home. At 2 o'clock in the morning!!!!! And this happened more than once. Her son would have to go get her in a cab, as he didn't have a car. It was imperative
that she go home NOW. :shock:

That would never happen in the US. But it might, if we get
Health Care reform that no one reads.

Imagine--dismissing her at 1 or 2 am to get her out of the
hospital as soon as possible. :shock: If I hadn't been there,
I would not have believed it.
 

nonothing

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Tam said:
hopalong said:
Tam!
He doesn't need a reason to name call.

He was oxygen deprived as a child so name calling is an outlet for him to breath heavy!!

he, like alice and reader need to have the last word so expect it to come shortly in some sort of retort that is meaningless :wink:

This whole thread was started because nonothing wanted to stir up people and provoke a fight. It is plain to see he doesn't want to debate he wants to play the victim which gives him an excuse to attack anyone that dares post a reply. That is why I'm beginning to believe he is a waste of time and skin. :roll:

Like your not name calling and provoking others,just like you did when they ran you out of bull sessions....but I could care less what you,hoppy and Aplus think of me..thats evident.....I have admited my countries plan is not perfect,but you say you tell the truth,yet you have never once shared a positive outcome with my countries plan,not once.....Millions of lives are saved but you never once bring that to the table.....You bring up facts from almost five years ago and all of them negative,but not one fact about a life saved .....I do not care what the USA does for medical.....I do not live there....

I maybe a waste of skin but your a waste of talent...your a bitter women Tam... Please stop taking it out on me,and the rest of the so called libs because your hubby made you move to Canada....Its not our fault.. :roll:
 

nonothing

Well-known member
Faster horses said:
I saw how Canadian Health Care works in some situations with my own eyes. I was at a house where there was a very elderly, very ill, old woman. She had to be taken to the hospital in an ambulance. When the hospital decided she could come home; they sent her home. At 2 o'clock in the morning!!!!! And this happened more than once. Her son would have to go get her in a cab, as he didn't have a car. It was imperative
that she go home NOW. :shock:

That would never happen in the US. But it might, if we get
Health Care reform that no one reads.

Imagine--dismissing her at 1 or 2 am to get her out of the
hospital as soon as possible. :shock: If I hadn't been there,
I would not have believed it.

I do not believe you....Her son should of done better by her if thats the case....how many ambulances take patients home after they are done in the ER?..If she needed an abulance at 2am,should they wait for a better time to admit her.....you never stated what time she went in.....Eevn if your story was true,would he not have to get her in a cab at 10 am as well?
 

hopalong

Well-known member
nonothing said:
Faster horses said:
I saw how Canadian Health Care works in some situations with my own eyes. I was at a house where there was a very elderly, very ill, old woman. She had to be taken to the hospital in an ambulance. When the hospital decided she could come home; they sent her home. At 2 o'clock in the morning!!!!! And this happened more than once. Her son would have to go get her in a cab, as he didn't have a car. It was imperative
that she go home NOW. :shock:

That would never happen in the US. But it might, if we get
Health Care reform that no one reads.

Imagine--dismissing her at 1 or 2 am to get her out of the
hospital as soon as possible. :shock: If I hadn't been there,
I would not have believed it.

I do not believe you....Her son should of done better by her if thats the case....how many ambulances take patients home after they are done in the ER?..If she needed an abulance at 2am,should they wait for a better time to admit her.....you never stated what time she went in.....Eevn if your story was true,would he not have to get her in a cab at 10 am as well?

The more you open your mouth the more ignorant you sound!!! Go read, understand, rersearch, and then ande only then, make your profound statements of profound nonsense!!!
Not only are you a nonothing you are clueless!!!!
There was no ambulance taking her home!! Does not work that way!!!!

Yea right like a person can wait to go to the hospital, I can assure you that NO ambulance will transport a person to the hospital UNLESS the feel it is necessary!!!

READ and UNDSERSTAND before you spout your gibberish!!!
 

per

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Nono, you most likely won't believe me either but just last night my neighbor took his elderly mom to the hospital at 7 pm because she fell. They x rayed her leg and poked and prodded and he went home at 11. The hospital called at 1230am to have him take her home. He went back to town and rolled her into his (because his dad needs it) handicap equipped van and took her back to the lodge. She could not handle the pain when they tried to put her in her bed. Took her back to the hospital and now they think she has a broken hip. This was just last night and today in a town with a fully equipped hospital. Something smells in the state of Denmark. (or whatever that Shakespeare Quote was)
 

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