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hopalong

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aplusmnt said:
hypocritexposer said:
aplusmnt said:
I agree with Alice just tell us do you have dual citizenship, are you a Canadian or an American. Not that hard of a question to answer.

Here I will start it off. I am an American Citizen, I have visited Canada twice, and been to Mexico 3 times.

No reason for us to have to go searching through all the threads to find the answer!

As I have said many times, I am Canadian. This was stated months ago, and I gave OT credit for guessing that previously. I have family in the US.

I have a friend who was a pastor at Obama's church in Chicago, for 2-3 years.

I wear boxers, and I brush my teeth 3 times a day.

Thanks! Alice you happy now?

Alice will never be happy! :wink:
 

nonothing

Well-known member
hypocritexposer said:
aplusmnt said:
alice said:
How about you tell us, Hypocrite. Are you a Canadian or a United States citizen? Simple enough question...no need to equivocate...a simple "I am a Canadian citizen" or "I am a United States citizen."

Alice

I agree with Alice just tell us do you have dual citizenship, are you a Canadian or an American. Not that hard of a question to answer.

Here I will start it off. I am an American Citizen, I have visited Canada twice, and been to Mexico 3 times.

No reason for us to have to go searching through all the threads to find the answer!

As I have said many times, I am Canadian. This was stated months ago, and I gave OT credit for guessing that previously. I have family in the US.

I have a friend who was a pastor at Obama's church in Chicago, for 2-3 years.

I wear boxers, and I brush my teeth 3 times a day.

Ok Aplus,now start telling hypo to stop being anti American and to bring up only canadian content.....Or you gonna keep being a hypocrite...

Aplus = hypocrite.....
 

Tam

Well-known member
nonothing said:
Tam said:
nonothing said:
If you read my original post I thought maybe the issue had been cleared up as there was no talk of it.....After the boards had been flooded with it for months....I thought maybe the cases where thrown out .....but it is nice that i riled up so many here....

Like I said before Tam.blame your husband for making you live in Canada.stop making us all pay with your rants and raves....it is simply not our faults........I asked hypo the question not you but your such a loudmouth you just push your way in....move back to America as I am sure they miss you as much as you miss them..right folks?... :roll:

I read it and you posted it to rile up people and you are happy it did. AS it gave you and your friends the opportunity to throw out a few more nasty name calling elitist post back at anyone that dared reply. That is what you do and you do it well as this thread alone has made 11 pages.

I think you and your friends did just as good of job name calling....You play such a victim at times Tam.Why dont you go back to bull session...Oh ya yo cant,as they ran you off....

Just to clear it up nonothing this is the last thread I was on on bull session in Jan 2008 . As you can see according to some I had a couple of coons treed so can you please explain to everyone how I was run out of Bull.

Looks like you treed a couple of coons real quick on this thread Tam.
What's funny is when they fall back down. They really make a thud sometimes.
http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23078&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=tam&start=0

Damn those archives they prove you to be living up to your name AGAIN. :wink:
 

nonothing

Well-known member
Shiiiiiiiiiiit. She's not treeing anyone, she's chasing her tail....

well sandhusker wrote this,so i guess you never treed him after all......

no need to explain,you left never to go back....Maybe you were afraid or got pm's treeing you ..so you never went back....you were ran out plan and simple...oh and yes feel free to get personal with your name calling....
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
nonothing said:
hypocritexposer said:
aplusmnt said:
I agree with Alice just tell us do you have dual citizenship, are you a Canadian or an American. Not that hard of a question to answer.

Here I will start it off. I am an American Citizen, I have visited Canada twice, and been to Mexico 3 times.

No reason for us to have to go searching through all the threads to find the answer!

As I have said many times, I am Canadian. This was stated months ago, and I gave OT credit for guessing that previously. I have family in the US.

I have a friend who was a pastor at Obama's church in Chicago, for 2-3 years.

I wear boxers, and I brush my teeth 3 times a day.

Ok Aplus,now start telling hypo to stop being anti American and to bring up only canadian content.....Or you gonna keep being a hypocrite...

Aplus = hypocrite.....

Problem is you do not understand, I do not think he is being Anti-American basically for the most part he is saying things that are Pro-American in my opinion. So why would I tell him to quit being Anti-American? You on the other hand had an Anti-American theme in my opinion.

Now I will say as I have said before, I do not see why hypocrite or you either one would want to spend so much time and effort discussing American Politics! :? If you guys spend equal time somewhere else discussing Canadian politics you would hardly be able to do anything else but message board discussions.

I can find a few minutes a week to discuss Canadian politics, but could never imagine spending as much time as you or hypocrite do worrying about another country. I do not use my time worrying about things I have no control over! There is enough things I do have some control over that needs my time!

Seems you and Hypocrite should spend some message board time working on Canadian health problems or something you can have some control over!
 

Tam

Well-known member
nonothing said:
Shiiiiiiiiiiit. She's not treeing anyone, she's chasing her tail....

well sandhusker wrote this,so i guess you never treed him after all......

no need to explain,you left never to go back....Maybe you were afraid or got pm's treeing you ..so you never went back....you were ran out plan and simple...oh and yes feel free to get personal with your name calling....

Maybe is that all you have nonothing is MAYBE I was afraid of being treed, so I didn't go back. :roll: Do you think I brought opinion to Bull without facts to back them. :lol: :lol: Next you are going to claim you and Mrs. Greg treed me on Canadian Health care when all the facts prove there is a BIG PROBLEM :wink: . You bring opinions nonothing I bring facts to counter your opinions just like I did on Bull and the last post I made was to prove the US was not BSE testing the same as Canada. For you to believe I was run out you would have to believe they were testing the same. Were or are they testing the same nonothing? Do you even know what was being tested?

BTW nonothing do you admit when someone trees you No you go into name calling and discrediting comments so what makes you think Bull session was any different.?

OH I did a search of your name and found you never once posted in Bull. With all the bad mouthing of Canada in Bull I would have throught an upstanding citizen like you would had something to say to defend Canada but I guess you don't like discussing anything but American Politics right nonothing? :wink:
 

nonothing

Well-known member
Tam said:
nonothing said:
Shiiiiiiiiiiit. She's not treeing anyone, she's chasing her tail....

well sandhusker wrote this,so i guess you never treed him after all......

no need to explain,you left never to go back....Maybe you were afraid or got pm's treeing you ..so you never went back....you were ran out plan and simple...oh and yes feel free to get personal with your name calling....

Maybe is that all you have nonothing is MAYBE I was afraid of being treed, so I didn't go back. :roll: Do you think I brought opinion to Bull without facts to back them. :lol: :lol: Next you are going to claim you and Mrs. Greg treed me on Canadian Health care when all the facts prove there is a BIG PROBLEM :wink: . You bring opinions nonothing I bring facts to counter your opinions just like I did on Bull and the last post I made was to prove the US was not BSE testing the same as Canada. For you to believe I was run out you would have to believe they were testing the same. Were or are they testing the same nonothing? Do you even know what was being tested?

BTW nonothing do you admit when someone trees you No you go into name calling and discrediting comments so what makes you think Bull session was any different.?

OH I did a search of your name and found you never once posted in Bull. With all the bad mouthing of Canada in Bull I would have throught an upstanding citizen like you would had something to say to defend Canada but I guess you don't like discussing anything but American Politics right nonothing? :wink:

No I never post in bull session as I am not a rancher and have no idea about the R-calfs of the world,so i respectfully do not post in that forum......I also do not run away like you do...Half your facts are dated from years back.....Your so busy complimenting yourself on your ability to check facts and reaserch .yet you do not even realize that half your facts are years upon years old...You also name call and are hypocritical,so get down off your high horse Tam and admit you were chased out of bull session.....
 

MsSage

Well-known member
nonothing said:
Shiiiiiiiiiiit. She's not treeing anyone, she's chasing her tail....

well sandhusker wrote this,so i guess you never treed him after all......

no need to explain,you left never to go back....Maybe you were afraid or got pm's treeing you ..so you never went back....you were ran out plan and simple...oh and yes feel free to get personal with your name calling....
Are you patting yourself on the back for a percived running someone off?
Is that your goal?
Why would anyone who wants a real debate want anyone to be run off?
I dont want anyone run off for any reason.......it is a way to silence free speach and active debate.
If people want to leave its a personal choice and no one will ever really know the REAL reason they left.
If you need to have the feeling of a job well done in running someone off I feel sorry for your lack of confidence.
 

Tam

Well-known member
nonothing said:
Tam said:
nonothing said:
well sandhusker wrote this,so i guess you never treed him after all......

no need to explain,you left never to go back....Maybe you were afraid or got pm's treeing you ..so you never went back....you were ran out plan and simple...oh and yes feel free to get personal with your name calling....

Maybe is that all you have nonothing is MAYBE I was afraid of being treed, so I didn't go back. :roll: Do you think I brought opinion to Bull without facts to back them. :lol: :lol: Next you are going to claim you and Mrs. Greg treed me on Canadian Health care when all the facts prove there is a BIG PROBLEM :wink: . You bring opinions nonothing I bring facts to counter your opinions just like I did on Bull and the last post I made was to prove the US was not BSE testing the same as Canada. For you to believe I was run out you would have to believe they were testing the same. Were or are they testing the same nonothing? Do you even know what was being tested?

BTW nonothing do you admit when someone trees you No you go into name calling and discrediting comments so what makes you think Bull session was any different.?

OH I did a search of your name and found you never once posted in Bull. With all the bad mouthing of Canada in Bull I would have throught an upstanding citizen like you would had something to say to defend Canada but I guess you don't like discussing anything but American Politics right nonothing? :wink:

No I never post in bull session as I am not a rancher and have no idea about the R-calfs of the world,so i respectfully do not post in that forum......I also do not run away like you do...Half your facts are dated from years back.....Your so busy complimenting yourself on your ability to check facts and reaserch .yet you do not even realize that half your facts are years upon years old...You also name call and are hypocritical,so get down off your high horse Tam and admit you were chased out of bull session.....


You never posted there but you some how know I was maybe run out. :lol: :lol: too funny nonothing :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Facts are we have had a problem in the Canadain Health care system for a long time and it is on going and threathening our system. I posted the facts from a few years old (the 2005 Supreme Court ruling) to prove the problems we have are not new and that they have been going on for years. The AUG 2009 articles ( this is Aug 2009 isn't it nonothing :? ) like this one
Overhauling health-care system tops agenda at annual meeting of Canada's doctors
By Jennifer Graham (CP) – Aug 15, 2009
and this one
CMA: Our health care system is imploding
Canadians need a plan to cure it
Dean Recksiedler/Lyle Fisher SASKATOON (NEWS1130) 2009-08-16 12:10
proves that our system has not been fixed. And if we follow your lead and stick our heads where the sun doesn't shine it will never be fixed. :roll: I don't run from a good debate nonothing so if you want to debate lets debate but bring something more that your maybes and opinions. :roll:
 

nonothing

Well-known member
Tam said:
nonothing said:
Tam said:
Maybe is that all you have nonothing is MAYBE I was afraid of being treed, so I didn't go back. :roll: Do you think I brought opinion to Bull without facts to back them. :lol: :lol: Next you are going to claim you and Mrs. Greg treed me on Canadian Health care when all the facts prove there is a BIG PROBLEM :wink: . You bring opinions nonothing I bring facts to counter your opinions just like I did on Bull and the last post I made was to prove the US was not BSE testing the same as Canada. For you to believe I was run out you would have to believe they were testing the same. Were or are they testing the same nonothing? Do you even know what was being tested?

BTW nonothing do you admit when someone trees you No you go into name calling and discrediting comments so what makes you think Bull session was any different.?

OH I did a search of your name and found you never once posted in Bull. With all the bad mouthing of Canada in Bull I would have throught an upstanding citizen like you would had something to say to defend Canada but I guess you don't like discussing anything but American Politics right nonothing? :wink:

No I never post in bull session as I am not a rancher and have no idea about the R-calfs of the world,so i respectfully do not post in that forum......I also do not run away like you do...Half your facts are dated from years back.....Your so busy complimenting yourself on your ability to check facts and reaserch .yet you do not even realize that half your facts are years upon years old...You also name call and are hypocritical,so get down off your high horse Tam and admit you were chased out of bull session.....


You never posted there but you some how know I was maybe run out. :lol: :lol: too funny nonothing :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Facts are we have had a problem in the Canadain Health care system for a long time and it is on going and threathening our system. I posted the facts from a few years old (the 2005 Supreme Court ruling) to prove the problems we have are not new and that they have been going on for years. The AUG 2009 articles ( this is Aug 2009 isn't it nonothing :? ) like this one
Overhauling health-care system tops agenda at annual meeting of Canada's doctors
By Jennifer Graham (CP) – Aug 15, 2009
and this one
CMA: Our health care system is imploding
Canadians need a plan to cure it
Dean Recksiedler/Lyle Fisher SASKATOON (NEWS1130) 2009-08-16 12:10
proves that our system has not been fixed. And if we follow your lead and stick our heads where the sun doesn't shine it will never be fixed. :roll: I don't run from a good debate nonothing so if you want to debate lets debate but bring something more that your maybes and opinions. :roll:


I never posted there is right,but it does not mean I wrote there......I used to read posts about you by many posters here..Most all negative towards towards you...From what I read not many people liked you in those forums....sure some did but most seem to not like you....So your saying you just quit one day because you were bored?...lol..

I do believe both myself and Mrs Greg admitted to the system not being perfect.....I also said in my, my friends and family positions,we have never seen nor delt with inadaquate care.......I do wish you could walk in and get all you need right away,but thats not possible when millions also needing help...Again all you debated was the negative never the positive...You made or tried to make everyone feel our system was not helping anyone...You lead people to believe everyone seeking care was getting nothing....Its easy to post negative things but why not post the positives as well.......Our system would be a much better system if for one,the users respected it alot more and treated it properly rather than abuse it..and two the governments cut more funding to things like prisons,and pro sports teams......
 

nonothing

Well-known member
MsSage said:
nonothing said:
Shiiiiiiiiiiit. She's not treeing anyone, she's chasing her tail....

well sandhusker wrote this,so i guess you never treed him after all......

no need to explain,you left never to go back....Maybe you were afraid or got pm's treeing you ..so you never went back....you were ran out plan and simple...oh and yes feel free to get personal with your name calling....
Are you patting yourself on the back for a percived running someone off?
Is that your goal?
Why would anyone who wants a real debate want anyone to be run off?
I dont want anyone run off for any reason.......it is a way to silence free speach and active debate.
If people want to leave its a personal choice and no one will ever really know the REAL reason they left.
If you need to have the feeling of a job well done in running someone off I feel sorry for your lack of confidence.


Not even sure what you are talking about .....
 

hopalong

Well-known member
nonothing said:
MsSage said:
nonothing said:
well sandhusker wrote this,so i guess you never treed him after all......

no need to explain,you left never to go back....Maybe you were afraid or got pm's treeing you ..so you never went back....you were ran out plan and simple...oh and yes feel free to get personal with your name calling....
Are you patting yourself on the back for a percived running someone off?
Is that your goal?
Why would anyone who wants a real debate want anyone to be run off?
I dont want anyone run off for any reason.......it is a way to silence free speach and active debate.
If people want to leave its a personal choice and no one will ever really know the REAL reason they left.
If you need to have the feeling of a job well done in running someone off I feel sorry for your lack of confidence.


Not even sure
what you are talking about .....

That is pretty obvious :D :D
 

Tam

Well-known member
nonothing said:
I never posted there is right,but it does not mean I wrote there......I used to read posts about you by many posters here..Most all negative towards towards you...From what I read not many people liked you in those forums....sure some did but most seem to not like you....So your saying you just quit one day because you were bored?...lol..

I do believe both myself and Mrs Greg admitted to the system not being perfect.....I also said in my, my friends and family positions,we have never seen nor delt with inadaquate care.......I do wish you could walk in and get all you need right away,but thats not possible when millions also needing help...Again all you debated was the negative never the positive...You made or tried to make everyone feel our system was not helping anyone...You lead people to believe everyone seeking care was getting nothing....Its easy to post negative things but why not post the positives as well.......Our system would be a much better system if for one,the users respected it alot more and treated it properly rather than abuse it..and two the governments cut more funding to things like prisons,and pro sports teams......

nonothing a few disliked me on bull just like you and a few which includes some from bull dislike me here in Political, because when I debate an issue, I bring more than my opinion. :cry: Some hate to face facts so they, just like you, discredit and resort to name calling. :cry:
Like I said in bull so long ago and will repeat for your benefit, "The closer one gets to the truth the nastier the name calling gets". :wink: Or like was also said by another poster
When they start attacking you personally rather than attacking the facts, you know you have them by the short hairs as its a sign of desperation.
:shock:
BTW How desperate are you that you keep attacking me with your discrediting comments? :?

"Not Perfect" it's IMPLODING according to the Doctors that deal with it everyday. That is a little more than imperfect. nonothing :roll:

As far as me bringing the negative. What impression do you think Americans would have of our system if they only listened to you? :? Would they know that we have life threatening waiting list for medical treatment? Would they know that not all Canadians get their health care from our system but from their system because of those waiting lists? You see I bring what you will not, "the rest of the story" :wink: You want everyone to believe the problems are small and nothing to be worried about as you have not experienced them , BUT the doctors say the system is imploding. Sorry nonothing I think that is a bit worse than you would have the Americans, that face the same system if Obama gets his way, believe. :roll:
I believe they need to know the whole story then if they choose to go down the same road they can't come back and say WHY DIDN'T YOU WARN US? FAIR AND BALANCED nonothing FAIR AND BALANCED Like it or not. :wink:
 

nonothing

Well-known member
Tam said:
nonothing said:
I never posted there is right,but it does not mean I wrote there......I used to read posts about you by many posters here..Most all negative towards towards you...From what I read not many people liked you in those forums....sure some did but most seem to not like you....So your saying you just quit one day because you were bored?...lol..

I do believe both myself and Mrs Greg admitted to the system not being perfect.....I also said in my, my friends and family positions,we have never seen nor delt with inadaquate care.......I do wish you could walk in and get all you need right away,but thats not possible when millions also needing help...Again all you debated was the negative never the positive...You made or tried to make everyone feel our system was not helping anyone...You lead people to believe everyone seeking care was getting nothing....Its easy to post negative things but why not post the positives as well.......Our system would be a much better system if for one,the users respected it alot more and treated it properly rather than abuse it..and two the governments cut more funding to things like prisons,and pro sports teams......

nonothing a few disliked me on bull just like you and a few which includes some from bull dislike me here in Political, because when I debate an issue, I bring more than my opinion. :cry: Some hate to face facts so they, just like you, discredit and resort to name calling. :cry:
Like I said in bull so long ago and will repeat for your benefit, "The closer one gets to the truth the nastier the name calling gets". :wink: Or like was also said by another poster
When they start attacking you personally rather than attacking the facts, you know you have them by the short hairs as its a sign of desperation.
:shock:
BTW How desperate are you that you keep attacking me with your discrediting comments? :?

"Not Perfect" it's IMPLODING according to the Doctors that deal with it everyday. That is a little more than imperfect. nonothing :roll:

As far as me bringing the negative. What impression do you think Americans would have of our system if they only listened to you? :? Would they know that we have life threatening waiting list for medical treatment? Would they know that not all Canadians get their health care from our system but from their system because of those waiting lists? You see I bring what you will not, "the rest of the story" :wink: You want everyone to believe the problems are small and nothing to be worried about as you have not experienced them , BUT the doctors say the system is imploding. Sorry nonothing I think that is a bit worse than you would have the Americans, that face the same system if Obama gets his way, believe. :roll:
I believe they need to know the whole story then if they choose to go down the same road they can't come back and say WHY DIDN'T YOU WARN US? FAIR AND BALANCED nonothing FAIR AND BALANCED Like it or not. :wink:

I would bring up the negative to and have.....but you see Tam,you not giving them the truth as much as you claim you are .Sure its my opinion.....I use the system and it has saved my life.....My friends use the system and it has saved their lives.....I know millions of people every year that use the system to get better or save thier lives.....You all call it my opinion,but if so,then its the opinion of someone who has uses the system with none of the problems you write about....I will not say its perfect, for it seems others have had issues.....but not one canadian in all your efforts to discredit our system has gone bankrupt,or been turned away due to a pre excisting conditions..Yes you may wait,but what is the answer to not waiting....letting the one with the most money to the front of the line?...Whats your answer?
 

Tam

Well-known member
nonothing said:
Tam said:
nonothing said:
I never posted there is right,but it does not mean I wrote there......I used to read posts about you by many posters here..Most all negative towards towards you...From what I read not many people liked you in those forums....sure some did but most seem to not like you....So your saying you just quit one day because you were bored?...lol..

I do believe both myself and Mrs Greg admitted to the system not being perfect.....I also said in my, my friends and family positions,we have never seen nor delt with inadaquate care.......I do wish you could walk in and get all you need right away,but thats not possible when millions also needing help...Again all you debated was the negative never the positive...You made or tried to make everyone feel our system was not helping anyone...You lead people to believe everyone seeking care was getting nothing....Its easy to post negative things but why not post the positives as well.......Our system would be a much better system if for one,the users respected it alot more and treated it properly rather than abuse it..and two the governments cut more funding to things like prisons,and pro sports teams......

nonothing a few disliked me on bull just like you and a few which includes some from bull dislike me here in Political, because when I debate an issue, I bring more than my opinion. :cry: Some hate to face facts so they, just like you, discredit and resort to name calling. :cry:
Like I said in bull so long ago and will repeat for your benefit, "The closer one gets to the truth the nastier the name calling gets". :wink: Or like was also said by another poster
When they start attacking you personally rather than attacking the facts, you know you have them by the short hairs as its a sign of desperation.
:shock:
BTW How desperate are you that you keep attacking me with your discrediting comments? :?

"Not Perfect" it's IMPLODING according to the Doctors that deal with it everyday. That is a little more than imperfect. nonothing :roll:

As far as me bringing the negative. What impression do you think Americans would have of our system if they only listened to you? :? Would they know that we have life threatening waiting list for medical treatment? Would they know that not all Canadians get their health care from our system but from their system because of those waiting lists? You see I bring what you will not, "the rest of the story" :wink: You want everyone to believe the problems are small and nothing to be worried about as you have not experienced them , BUT the doctors say the system is imploding. Sorry nonothing I think that is a bit worse than you would have the Americans, that face the same system if Obama gets his way, believe. :roll:
I believe they need to know the whole story then if they choose to go down the same road they can't come back and say WHY DIDN'T YOU WARN US? FAIR AND BALANCED nonothing FAIR AND BALANCED Like it or not. :wink:

I would bring up the negative to and have.....but you see Tam,you not giving them the truth as much as you claim you are .Sure its my opinion.....I use the system and it has saved my life.....My friends use the system and it has saved their lives.....I know millions of people every year that use the system to get better or save thier lives.....You all call it my opinion,but if so,then its the opinion of someone who has uses the system with none of the problems you write about....I will not say its perfect, for it seems others have had issues.....but not one canadian in all your efforts to discredit our system has gone bankrupt,or been turned away due to a pre excisting conditions..Yes you may wait,but what is the answer to not waiting....letting the one with the most money to the front of the line?...Whats your answer?

I'm glad your experience with the Canadian Health Care system was good but you seem to think that just because your experience was good everyone's is and that is not the truth. There are alot of people that live in needless pain for way to long in our system. That time they wait in many cases has a very lasting effect on their over all health and lack of abilitiy to make a full recovery or carry on a normal life. I read that there is now over a million people on a waiting list of some kind waiting for health care treatment and the longer they wait the more expensive the treatment and the less likelyhood of a full recovery. Some are even loosing limbs do to waiting for treatment.

I also keep hearing that the Canadian system is a preventive care system and that we all see doctors for regular check ups. Can you explain how this claim can be backed when over 5 million Canadians don't even have a doctor to get a check up? There is a video out that proved you can't just walk in and get a simple blood test without a Doctor and to get one you have to sit on a waiting list .

Maybe people aren't going bankrupt but some are loosing quality of life and some are even dieing waiting for treatment is that better than going bankrupt nonothing? As far as I know a person can come back from bankruptcy our neighbor has done it several times but I have never known anyone that has come back from death.

We need to stop thinking that the government can provide everything as it is plain to see they can't or our system would not be imploding. I feel if a person wants to opt out of the public system IE not pay the taxes to fund it and take that money and pay for their own insurance that will pay no matter where they recieve treatment, be it in Canada, the US or Timbucktoo, that should be their right. But as it stands you can't opt out of a system that may not beable to provide the treatment you need in an acceptable timeframe. And in many cases that system will not pay for your treatment if you decide to go to where you can get the treatment you need. You pay for that out of pocket and chance going bankrupt for your troubles. If it is truly a Health "Care" system then why is it you are limited to where you can get the care you need? :?

..Yes you may wait,but what is the answer to not waiting....letting the one with the most money to the front of the line?..

That happens now nonothing, I just read a story about a little girl that lives in Alberta and she had sudden leg pains so the mom took her to the hospital, and it was thought she needed a CT scan to see what the problem was. She was going to have to wait like all the other on the list ahead of her but her father felt he didn't want to wait so he used his clout to get the CT scan that day. Turn out it was Cancer but was it fair that she got the CT for her leg pain while others had to wait months for maybe the same thing only to be bumped to make room for her?

Oh I forgot the mother and father of the little girl were both doctors that had pull in the Calgary hospital they worked in and that is why the little girl got jumped to the top of the list and someone else that didn't work there got bumped to make time for her. I have heard stories of how those that work in the system seem to have better care than those that don't and this story proves it.

If we truly had a everyone waits no matter how rich you are system like some believe we have then that little girl would not have had her CT scan that day she would have had to wait just like all the other patients with leg pain. If we really want to have an even playing field everyone should beable to do what ever they feel they need to do to get the treatment they want just like the Doctors did for their little girl. If they don't want to stay in the Public system then they should have the right to opt out and use their money to fund their own health care insurance.
 

katrina

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hypocritexposer said:
aplusmnt said:
alice said:
How about you tell us, Hypocrite. Are you a Canadian or a United States citizen? Simple enough question...no need to equivocate...a simple "I am a Canadian citizen" or "I am a United States citizen."

Alice

I agree with Alice just tell us do you have dual citizenship, are you a Canadian or an American. Not that hard of a question to answer.

Here I will start it off. I am an American Citizen, I have visited Canada twice, and been to Mexico 3 times.

No reason for us to have to go searching through all the threads to find the answer!

As I have said many times, I am Canadian. This was stated months ago, and I gave OT credit for guessing that previously. I have family in the US.

I have a friend who was a pastor at Obama's church in Chicago, for 2-3 years.

I wear boxers, and I brush my teeth 3 times a day.

I would of never guessed boxers..... My vote would of been commando!!!
(just for you NR.) :D
 

per

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Tam said:
nonothing said:
Tam said:
nonothing a few disliked me on bull just like you and a few which includes some from bull dislike me here in Political, because when I debate an issue, I bring more than my opinion. :cry: Some hate to face facts so they, just like you, discredit and resort to name calling. :cry:
Like I said in bull so long ago and will repeat for your benefit, "The closer one gets to the truth the nastier the name calling gets". :wink: Or like was also said by another poster
:shock:
BTW How desperate are you that you keep attacking me with your discrediting comments? :?

"Not Perfect" it's IMPLODING according to the Doctors that deal with it everyday. That is a little more than imperfect. nonothing :roll:

As far as me bringing the negative. What impression do you think Americans would have of our system if they only listened to you? :? Would they know that we have life threatening waiting list for medical treatment? Would they know that not all Canadians get their health care from our system but from their system because of those waiting lists? You see I bring what you will not, "the rest of the story" :wink: You want everyone to believe the problems are small and nothing to be worried about as you have not experienced them , BUT the doctors say the system is imploding. Sorry nonothing I think that is a bit worse than you would have the Americans, that face the same system if Obama gets his way, believe. :roll:
I believe they need to know the whole story then if they choose to go down the same road they can't come back and say WHY DIDN'T YOU WARN US? FAIR AND BALANCED nonothing FAIR AND BALANCED Like it or not. :wink:

I would bring up the negative to and have.....but you see Tam,you not giving them the truth as much as you claim you are .Sure its my opinion.....I use the system and it has saved my life.....My friends use the system and it has saved their lives.....I know millions of people every year that use the system to get better or save thier lives.....You all call it my opinion,but if so,then its the opinion of someone who has uses the system with none of the problems you write about....I will not say its perfect, for it seems others have had issues.....but not one canadian in all your efforts to discredit our system has gone bankrupt,or been turned away due to a pre excisting conditions..Yes you may wait,but what is the answer to not waiting....letting the one with the most money to the front of the line?...Whats your answer?

I'm glad your experience with the Canadian Health Care system was good but you seem to think that just because your experience was good everyone's is and that is not the truth. There are alot of people that live in needless pain for way to long in our system. That time they wait in many cases has a very lasting effect on their over all health and lack of abilitiy to make a full recovery or carry on a normal life. I read that there is now over a million people on a waiting list of some kind waiting for health care treatment and the longer they wait the more expensive the treatment and the less likelyhood of a full recovery. Some are even loosing limbs do to waiting for treatment.

I also keep hearing that the Canadian system is a preventive care system and that we all see doctors for regular check ups. Can you explain how this claim can be backed when over 5 million Canadians don't even have a doctor to get a check up? There is a video out that proved you can't just walk in and get a simple blood test without a Doctor and to get one you have to sit on a waiting list .

Maybe people aren't going bankrupt but some are loosing quality of life and some are even dieing waiting for treatment is that better than going bankrupt nonothing? As far as I know a person can come back from bankruptcy our neighbor has done it several times but I have never known anyone that has come back from death.

We need to stop thinking that the government can provide everything as it is plain to see they can't or our system would not be imploding. I feel if a person wants to opt out of the public system IE not pay the taxes to fund it and take that money and pay for their own insurance that will pay no matter where they recieve treatment, be it in Canada, the US or Timbucktoo, that should be their right. But as it stands you can't opt out of a system that may not beable to provide the treatment you need in an acceptable timeframe. And in many cases that system will not pay for your treatment if you decide to go to where you can get the treatment you need. You pay for that out of pocket and chance going bankrupt for your troubles. If it is truly a Health "Care" system then why is it you are limited to where you can get the care you need? :?

..Yes you may wait,but what is the answer to not waiting....letting the one with the most money to the front of the line?..

That happens now nonothing, I just read a story about a little girl that lives in Alberta and she had sudden leg pains so the mom took her to the hospital, and it was thought she needed a CT scan to see what the problem was. She was going to have to wait like all the other on the list ahead of her but her father felt he didn't want to wait so he used his clout to get the CT scan that day. Turn out it was Cancer but was it fair that she got the CT for her leg pain while others had to wait months for maybe the same thing only to be bumped to make room for her?

Oh I forgot the mother and father of the little girl were both doctors that had pull in the Calgary hospital they worked in and that is why the little girl got jumped to the top of the list and someone else that didn't work there got bumped to make time for her. I have heard stories of how those that work in the system seem to have better care than those that don't and this story proves it.

If we truly had a everyone waits no matter how rich you are system like some believe we have then that little girl would not have had her CT scan that day she would have had to wait just like all the other patients with leg pain. If we really want to have an even playing field everyone should beable to do what ever they feel they need to do to get the treatment they want just like the Doctors did for their little girl. If they don't want to stay in the Public system then they should have the right to opt out and use their money to fund their own health care insurance.
Don't have to have connections to get a CT scan, just money. Our ranch has paid for scans for a relative and an employee in the last couple of years. And yes right in Calgary. They are about $700 a scan.
 

Tam

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per said:
Tam said:
nonothing said:
I would bring up the negative to and have.....but you see Tam,you not giving them the truth as much as you claim you are .Sure its my opinion.....I use the system and it has saved my life.....My friends use the system and it has saved their lives.....I know millions of people every year that use the system to get better or save thier lives.....You all call it my opinion,but if so,then its the opinion of someone who has uses the system with none of the problems you write about....I will not say its perfect, for it seems others have had issues.....but not one canadian in all your efforts to discredit our system has gone bankrupt,or been turned away due to a pre excisting conditions..Yes you may wait,but what is the answer to not waiting....letting the one with the most money to the front of the line?...Whats your answer?

I'm glad your experience with the Canadian Health Care system was good but you seem to think that just because your experience was good everyone's is and that is not the truth. There are alot of people that live in needless pain for way to long in our system. That time they wait in many cases has a very lasting effect on their over all health and lack of abilitiy to make a full recovery or carry on a normal life. I read that there is now over a million people on a waiting list of some kind waiting for health care treatment and the longer they wait the more expensive the treatment and the less likelyhood of a full recovery. Some are even loosing limbs do to waiting for treatment.

I also keep hearing that the Canadian system is a preventive care system and that we all see doctors for regular check ups. Can you explain how this claim can be backed when over 5 million Canadians don't even have a doctor to get a check up? There is a video out that proved you can't just walk in and get a simple blood test without a Doctor and to get one you have to sit on a waiting list .

Maybe people aren't going bankrupt but some are loosing quality of life and some are even dieing waiting for treatment is that better than going bankrupt nonothing? As far as I know a person can come back from bankruptcy our neighbor has done it several times but I have never known anyone that has come back from death.

We need to stop thinking that the government can provide everything as it is plain to see they can't or our system would not be imploding. I feel if a person wants to opt out of the public system IE not pay the taxes to fund it and take that money and pay for their own insurance that will pay no matter where they recieve treatment, be it in Canada, the US or Timbucktoo, that should be their right. But as it stands you can't opt out of a system that may not beable to provide the treatment you need in an acceptable timeframe. And in many cases that system will not pay for your treatment if you decide to go to where you can get the treatment you need. You pay for that out of pocket and chance going bankrupt for your troubles. If it is truly a Health "Care" system then why is it you are limited to where you can get the care you need? :?

..Yes you may wait,but what is the answer to not waiting....letting the one with the most money to the front of the line?..

That happens now nonothing, I just read a story about a little girl that lives in Alberta and she had sudden leg pains so the mom took her to the hospital, and it was thought she needed a CT scan to see what the problem was. She was going to have to wait like all the other on the list ahead of her but her father felt he didn't want to wait so he used his clout to get the CT scan that day. Turn out it was Cancer but was it fair that she got the CT for her leg pain while others had to wait months for maybe the same thing only to be bumped to make room for her?

Oh I forgot the mother and father of the little girl were both doctors that had pull in the Calgary hospital they worked in and that is why the little girl got jumped to the top of the list and someone else that didn't work there got bumped to make time for her. I have heard stories of how those that work in the system seem to have better care than those that don't and this story proves it.

If we truly had a everyone waits no matter how rich you are system like some believe we have then that little girl would not have had her CT scan that day she would have had to wait just like all the other patients with leg pain. If we really want to have an even playing field everyone should beable to do what ever they feel they need to do to get the treatment they want just like the Doctors did for their little girl. If they don't want to stay in the Public system then they should have the right to opt out and use their money to fund their own health care insurance.
Don't have to have connections to get a CT scan, just money. Our ranch has paid for scans for a relative and an employee in the last couple of years. And yes right in Calgary. They are about $700 a scan.

The girl's father used his clout to get her move to the top of the list at the hospital he worked at according to the story. Now you say you pay for CT scans so I guess nonothing was should have said those that don't have a daddy with clout or money to pay for a private CT scan wait the other move to the front of the line. :wink:
 

per

Well-known member
Tam said:
per said:
Tam said:
I'm glad your experience with the Canadian Health Care system was good but you seem to think that just because your experience was good everyone's is and that is not the truth. There are alot of people that live in needless pain for way to long in our system. That time they wait in many cases has a very lasting effect on their over all health and lack of abilitiy to make a full recovery or carry on a normal life. I read that there is now over a million people on a waiting list of some kind waiting for health care treatment and the longer they wait the more expensive the treatment and the less likelyhood of a full recovery. Some are even loosing limbs do to waiting for treatment.

I also keep hearing that the Canadian system is a preventive care system and that we all see doctors for regular check ups. Can you explain how this claim can be backed when over 5 million Canadians don't even have a doctor to get a check up? There is a video out that proved you can't just walk in and get a simple blood test without a Doctor and to get one you have to sit on a waiting list .

Maybe people aren't going bankrupt but some are loosing quality of life and some are even dieing waiting for treatment is that better than going bankrupt nonothing? As far as I know a person can come back from bankruptcy our neighbor has done it several times but I have never known anyone that has come back from death.

We need to stop thinking that the government can provide everything as it is plain to see they can't or our system would not be imploding. I feel if a person wants to opt out of the public system IE not pay the taxes to fund it and take that money and pay for their own insurance that will pay no matter where they recieve treatment, be it in Canada, the US or Timbucktoo, that should be their right. But as it stands you can't opt out of a system that may not beable to provide the treatment you need in an acceptable timeframe. And in many cases that system will not pay for your treatment if you decide to go to where you can get the treatment you need. You pay for that out of pocket and chance going bankrupt for your troubles. If it is truly a Health "Care" system then why is it you are limited to where you can get the care you need? :?



That happens now nonothing, I just read a story about a little girl that lives in Alberta and she had sudden leg pains so the mom took her to the hospital, and it was thought she needed a CT scan to see what the problem was. She was going to have to wait like all the other on the list ahead of her but her father felt he didn't want to wait so he used his clout to get the CT scan that day. Turn out it was Cancer but was it fair that she got the CT for her leg pain while others had to wait months for maybe the same thing only to be bumped to make room for her?

Oh I forgot the mother and father of the little girl were both doctors that had pull in the Calgary hospital they worked in and that is why the little girl got jumped to the top of the list and someone else that didn't work there got bumped to make time for her. I have heard stories of how those that work in the system seem to have better care than those that don't and this story proves it.

If we truly had a everyone waits no matter how rich you are system like some believe we have then that little girl would not have had her CT scan that day she would have had to wait just like all the other patients with leg pain. If we really want to have an even playing field everyone should beable to do what ever they feel they need to do to get the treatment they want just like the Doctors did for their little girl. If they don't want to stay in the Public system then they should have the right to opt out and use their money to fund their own health care insurance.
Don't have to have connections to get a CT scan, just money. Our ranch has paid for scans for a relative and an employee in the last couple of years. And yes right in Calgary. They are about $700 a scan.

The girl's father used his clout to get her move to the top of the list at the hospital he worked at according to the story. Now you say you pay for CT scans so I guess nonothing was should have said those that don't have a daddy with clout or money to pay for a private CT scan wait the other move to the front of the line. :wink:
Except that the private clinic does not do public scans (at least this one) so in effect we helped make the line shorter doing the health system a favor.
 

Tam

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per said:
Except that the private clinic does not do public scans (at least this one) so in effect we helped make the line shorter doing the health system a favor.

I wish we could look at more private clinics to take the work load off the public system but I doubt we will in Sask as Sask is the home of Tommy Douglas.
 

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