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Where Extremism may Backfire Again

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Anonymous

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First off--I'm 100% behind the 2nd Amendment and the right to bear arms... I own 30-40 guns myself... I pack about everywhere when I leave the house (but when in public- its always concealed) ... All my family members have concealed carry permits and pack...
BUT
Here is an extremist movement that I'm afraid is going to back fire on the pro-gun folks trying to promote open carry and will get us more anti gun laws....Why folks need to openly pack an assault rifle or a shotgun into a grocery store or shopping center is beyond me..... :???:

Already now many of the nationwide chain stores are banning all guns from their establishments because of this.... Target is the latest (where these pictures were taken).......

Several of us have been discussing the subject of open carry and on FB- especially the subject of packing long guns into business establishments... And its my contention and was those of all of us (including my local FFL gun dealer ) that this type of open carry while grocery shopping or walking the streets downtown is giving ammo to the anti gun groups and will get us some stricter gun regulations... Even most the adamant gun owners do not want to see our streets start looking like the streets of Baghdad with everyone packing an assault weapon....

Like I always say Extremism both ways is dangerous!



 

Mike

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If they can desensitize the public of the stigma that all guns are bad it can actually help the public's perception of guns.

At one time concealed carry was seen as cowardly. It still is in some circles.
 

kolanuraven

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I kinda see this as a Darwin related issue.


You want to walk around with a target on your back for some nutcase to shoot at...go ahead. If someone flips out, he's gonna go for the obvious and visible people carrying guns.

So, that makes them the target and takes the attention away from me as I scamper out the back.

And yes, I have legal permit to carry concealed and have since I was 18!
 

Brad S

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I don't like open carry in ready fire mode. Magazine out, open chamber shows a safe gun and more so a safe owner. Try carrying a gun with mag on place and closed chamber at a gun show, it won't fly.

I don't call those guys extremists, that's just another bigoted dismissive slur, but they don't exhibit gun safe standards. And their choice to carry seems to be antagonistic - especially given the gun demonization effort of the left.
 
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Anonymous

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redrobin said:
Looks photo shopped

They are some of the ones accompanying the news articles...
Here's more:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=target+store+pictures+of+people+with+guns&qpvt=target+store+pictures+of+people+with+guns&FORM=IGRE

There are video's on some gun sites of individuals/groups which are walking the streets packing their assault type rifles trying to get people to report them and then force confrontations with police (which they are recording)....

I'm afraid its going to backfire on them...
 

Steve

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Our purpose is to 1) educate all Texans about their right to openly carry rifles and shotguns in a safe manner;

2) to condition Texans to feel safe around law-abiding citizens that choose to carry them;

3) encourage our elected officials to pass less restrictive open carry legislation for all firearms, especially pistols;

and (4) foster a cooperative relationship with local law enforcement in the furtherance of these goals with an eye towards preventing negative encounters.

I grew up around guns.. but here in New Jersey, even hunting can get you a "visit" or two,.

mostly the police responding to some "scared" liberal who saw a guy in camo (orange camo) with a gun... (they always seem to leave out the orange part)..

and most of the time it is when I am carrying a cross bow..

so maybe it is time we "show" liberals that guns aren't scarey.. before there is so many restriction that even hunting is going to get you a visit from the police..

I also found that I and most of my friends now take cloth cases with and keep the gun or crossbow in them until we are in the woods and ready to hunt. as some local police will use the 'exposed gun" as a reason to harass and ticket a hunter..

so OT,.. if you really want to see extremists.. come out here and carry like you do at home.,..
 

Steve

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At times we have plenty of irony.. so much so it is hard to believe..

for instance...as OT worries about examples of OPEN CARRY,...

a far left News organization has a poll on open Constitutional carry..

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/poll-do-you-think-people-should-be-allowed-carry-guns-public

when I voted .. the response was 88% for "Do you think people should be allowed to carry guns in public?"

Do you think people should be allowed to carry guns in public?

People were given three options for answering and, with 90,000+ votes cast, here are the current numbers (as of July 6, 2014):

88% – Yes! The Second Amendment guarantees it. (79,000+ votes)
8% – No, it's too dangerous. (7.266 votes)
4% – Only for self defense. (3,636 votes)

so really 92% are for the 2nd..

only 8% said NO...
 

Mike

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hypocritexposer said:
What OT usually calls "extremism", ends up being the majority.
For those who wonder why MSNBC has lost nearly half of its viewers, this might serve as yet another example. A poll, hosted on MSNBC.com, asked a simple question:


Do you think people should be allowed to carry guns in public?

People were given three options for answering and, with 90,000+ votes cast, here are the current numbers (as of July 6, 2014):
◾88% – Yes! The Second Amendment guarantees it. (79,000+ votes)
◾8% – No, it’s too dangerous. (7.266 votes)
◾4% – Only for self defense. (3,636 votes)

This result does not fit in with the network’s leftist narrative or agenda. To listen to MSNBC you would think that 90% of Americans are begging to turn in their guns so that they can receive the proper state protection.
 
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Steve said:
At times we have plenty of irony.. so much so it is hard to believe..

for instance...as OT worries about examples of OPEN CARRY,...

a far left News organization has a poll on open Constitutional carry..

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/poll-do-you-think-people-should-be-allowed-carry-guns-public

when I voted .. the response was 88% for "Do you think people should be allowed to carry guns in public?"

Do you think people should be allowed to carry guns in public?

People were given three options for answering and, with 90,000+ votes cast, here are the current numbers (as of July 6, 2014):

88% – Yes! The Second Amendment guarantees it. (79,000+ votes)
8% – No, it's too dangerous. (7.266 votes)
4% – Only for self defense. (3,636 votes)

so really 92% are for the 2nd..

only 8% said NO...



Quinnipiac poll: 92% U.S. voters favor background checks for all gun purchases

July 3, 2014


Quinnipiac University released its latest poll on the hot button issue of gun control this morning, but the survey of 1,446 registered voters nationwide say they favor "requiring background checks for all gun buyers" by a wide margin. American voters overwhelmingly support background checks on gun purchases, 92 – 7 percent. That number includes 92 – 6 percent among gun owners. While there is s slight drop by political affiliation, it is a small drop. Support ranges from 86 – 11 percent among Republicans to 98 – 2 percent among Democrats.

On another issue with broad consensus, there is also overwhelming support. Voters also support 89 – 9 percent laws to prevent people with mental illness from purchasing guns. Gun owners support this idea 91 – 7 percent. The survey is a confirmation of previous findings in the same range, such as this recent poll commissioned by Politico. Another prominent pollster also confirms the number.

In spite of this overwhelming support for background checks, the National Rifle Association (NRA) has taken a hardened stand against background checks. Last year Republicans killed a background check bill in the United States Senate, under tremendous pressure for the NRA.

The timing of the Quinnipiac University poll comes the same week as the release of a 66-page report by Congresswoman Robin Kelly (D-IL). The report titled "The 2014 Kelly Report on Gun Violence in America," and also known as the "Kelly Report," is the first-ever Congressional analysis of the nation’s gun violence epidemic that offers a blueprint for ending the violence with guns crisis in America.

Gun reform advocates in Chicago at the Dirksen Federal Building asked Congresswoman Robin Kelly a press conference attended this past week. Fox News 32 political reporter Mike Flannery asked Kelly if she is deterred by the obvious political realities of Republican obstructionism in the U.S. Senate and the House.

Kelly answered that she is not "giving up" and is not "deterred" by House Republican obstructionism. "This is a fight worth fighting." Mayor Rahm Emanuel stepped forward and pointed out that while in the Clinton White House, the opposition to the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons ban was stiff. Yet, Emanuel pointed out that both bills passed.

In fact, the question of background checks is a centerpiece of the "Kelly Report." The report praises the background check. "Twenty years ago, President Clinton signed the 'Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act,' a law that, to date has stopped more than 2.1 million gun sales to dangerous people by requiring background checks."

"Still, more can be done," argues the Kelly Report. "The background checks required under the Brady Act only apply to gun sales by those 'in the business' of selling firearms. Private arms dealers are not required to conduct background checks. This gap in the legislation, originally known as the 'gun show loophole,' has been exacerbated by the rise of internet gun sales."

The Kelly Report cites the 2012 death of Zina Daniel of Brookfield. Zina had obtained a restraining order against her ex-husband, Radcliffe Haughton. Despite federal law that prohibited Radcliffe from purchasing a firearm because of his record, he was able to purchase one online from a private seller without undergoing a background check. Radcliffe later killed Zina and two other women; injuring four more before taking his own life in a heartbreakingly preventable scenario that plays out far too often in this country.

A background could have saved the lives of the three women, and prevented four others from their injuries.

Dan Gross, President of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, credits the Brady Bill with saving lives. "We knew that Brady background checks would save lives. And we now have 20 years of proof that Brady background checks work." Gross argues more needs to be done.

"Federal law allows unlicensed persons to sell guns without a background check, no questions asked," says Gross. "To avoid background checks in today’s world, convicted felons and other prohibited purchasers now buy weapons from unlicensed sellers at gun shows and through Internet websites, like Armslist. com."

As far a public opinion, it is all a matter of the wording and semantics. The Quinnipiac University poll points out that when the question is asked in a nuanced way, only 50 percent of voters support "stricter gun control laws," with 47 percent opposed. The question asked there was "Do you support or oppose stricter gun control laws in the United States?"

"Americans are all in on stricter background checks on gun buyers and on keeping weapons out of the hands of the mentally ill," said Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll. "But when it comes to 'stricter gun control,' three words which prompt a negative reflex, almost half of those surveyed say 'hands off.'"

From June 24 – 30, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,446 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones.

The Quinnipiac University Poll, directed by Douglas Schwartz, Ph.D., conducts public opinion surveys in Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Iowa, Colorado and the nation as a public service and for research.

Yep I saw that poll- and that was one of the things (along with the Target Stores article) that fired up the discussion we had locally and on FB... I have little faith in those type polls and think ones like the one I posted are closer... Two or three gun organizations putting out e-mails and FB posts (where I saw it) asking all open carry supporters to vote can definitely affect the results...

I personally don't think you can keep guns out of the hands of bad guys and the mentally impaired - but according to this poll a large majority of folks support background checks on ALL sales to try to do so...

But at the same time barely a majority claim to not want stricter gun laws... 50% to 47%....

I just can see no sound reason to walk the streets of the US- and go grocery shopping packing an AK-47... (Besides the fact that a little 9MM pocket pistol would be a whole he!! of a lot lighter)... Everyone I talked to locally agreed with me- that this type of action locally would light up the 911 switchboards- and that its unnecessary- and that its going to backfire... And my FFL shop's name is Second Amendment Gunstore (who Facebook will no longer allow to post his wares since they banned all gun stores ) - who sells some great guns at the cheapest prices I have found... Including many assault rifle types- and its got him worried...
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
And my FFL shop's name is Second Amendment Gunstore (who Facebook will no longer allow to post his wares since they banned all gun stores ) - who sells some great guns at the cheapest prices I have found... Including many assault rifle types- and its got him worried...

He's worried about what? That somehow his gun sales will drop like a rock?

I call BS.
 

Mike

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OT wrote:
I just can see no sound reason to walk the streets of the US- and go grocery shopping packing an AK-47...

Well....get in the real world and go walk your fat, happy azz around town in Chicago, New Orleans, Baltimore, Detroit, Miami, Jacksonville, Birmingham, Watts, Newark, East St. Louis, the Nation's Capitol, and so forth and so on.................

You'll wish you had one then. Plus a 100 round magazine. :roll:
 
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Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
And my FFL shop's name is Second Amendment Gunstore (who Facebook will no longer allow to post his wares since they banned all gun stores ) - who sells some great guns at the cheapest prices I have found... Including many assault rifle types- and its got him worried...

He's worried about what? That somehow his gun sales will drop like a rock?

I call BS.

I think he's worrying about a bunch of new laws banning assault type weapons and any over 10 round capacity magazines- along the line of the California restrictions... And that would definitely affect much of what he sells...
 
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