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Where's Bush?

Goodpasture

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I thought that most sitting presidents, at the end of their final term in office, would be out campaigning for their party. Did he appear in Iowa to encourage independents to go to GOP caucuses? Is he in New Hampshire telling folks to keep the good times rolling and vote GOP? maybe I missed it between the instance of being the voice of change and claiming to be the new Reagan, but I can't recall any Republican pointing to anything Bush has accomplished as something they want to continue. The best I heard was McCain saying we had to keep the troop levels up in Iraq, that now that Rummy was gone we were finally getting somewhere.

But as leader of the GOP, why isn't Bush out on the stump providing support for his party?
 

kolanuraven

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Oh , he gave a ' talk' to some reporter who asked that of him.

He said that he was not going to get involved and basically let it be a fair fight.


Truth be told....no one would want him near them.
:lol: :lol:
He's a leper to the Rep party...a true kiss of death right now!
 

Mike

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Goodpasture said:
I thought that most sitting presidents, at the end of their final term in office, would be out campaigning for their party. Did he appear in Iowa to encourage independents to go to GOP caucuses? Is he in New Hampshire telling folks to keep the good times rolling and vote GOP? maybe I missed it between the instance of being the voice of change and claiming to be the new Reagan, but I can't recall any Republican pointing to anything Bush has accomplished as something they want to continue. The best I heard was McCain saying we had to keep the troop levels up in Iraq, that now that Rummy was gone we were finally getting somewhere.

But as leader of the GOP, why isn't Bush out on the stump providing support for his party?

The party nominations haven't been made yet. The current races consist of elections WITHIN the party's at present.

In other words, there are no races between the Dems and Repubs at this time.

You must not know how the election process works?
 

Tex

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our own. It was Gov. Huckabee.

"He said the Bush administration is guilty of an 'arrogant bunker mentality' that has been counterproductive here and abroad. I simply can't believe that.
 
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Tex said:
our own. It was Gov. Huckabee.

"He said the Bush administration is guilty of an 'arrogant bunker mentality' that has been counterproductive here and abroad. I simply can't believe that.

Even ol Buchanan can see it....If it wasn't for GW's cheerleaders like Rush and Hannity he would have no one...Even ole Miss Sweetness herself-Ann Coulter has commented about GW wrecking the Conservative/Republican party.....
It will be interesting that even after the primaries and the nomination- if anyone will want Bush support....Believe me- whoever GW supports- I'll vote the opposite.... :roll: :wink: :lol:


Buchanan: Reagan Coalition Dead

Saturday, January 5, 2008 3:11 PM

By: Newsmax Staff Article Font Size



The stunning results of last week's Iowa caucuses prove that Republicans are in deep trouble and it's nobody's fault but their own, says columnist and two-time presidential candidate Pat Buchanan.


In his latest syndicated column, "Last Hurrah For Reagan Coalition?" Buchanan, a top White House aide in both the Nixon and Reagan White Houses, warned that the huge Democratic turnout in Iowa Caucuses, more than double that of the Republicans, coupled with what he called "the stampede by independents to vote in the Democratic precincts,” could mean that that Iowa, "a swing state carried by President Bush in 2004, may be lost irretrievably to the GOP in 2008."

Asking why Iowa is walking away from the GOP and why Barack Obama won almost as many votes as all the Republicans put together, Buchanan explained that the GOP lost Iowa "because of its persistent failure to recognize, and its refusal to address, the anxiety and insecurity of the middle class."

Wrote historian Buchanan "The Party of Reagan is losing the country because it is no longer the party of the principles, policies and persona of Reagan, as applied to the problems of our time. "


Turning to conservative yearnings for another Reagan, Buchanan wrote that the GOP "is mired in the past, looking back to the time of Reagan." Reagan, he wrote, “was a good man and a great president, but our time is no more his time than the Eisenhower 1950s were like the 1920s.”


Buchanan, one of the keenest political observers of our times, blamed the decline of Republican party on a series of departures from the GOP's basic principals which formed the foundation of the Reagan revolution and the long held convictions of his party.

Among the factors he writes which have led to the GOP's impending downfall:



Iraq. "Parties that march nations into what the people come to see as unnecessary or unwinnable wars face the inevitable consequences."


Truman suffered those consequences as a result of the Korean conflict as did Lyndon Johnson because of Viet Nam.



Globalism. “With the sole exception of Mike Huckabee” he wrote, “the GOP seems unable to comprehend how throwing U.S. Workers into Darwinian competition with foreigners earning one-fifth or one-tenth their wages impacts the Reagan Democrats now deserting the GOP. A party that used to admonish one and all, ‘There is no free lunch,’ cannot see that free trade is no free lunch.”


None of this means that the GOP is in grave trouble, or that defeat in 2008 is not foreordained, Buchanan admonishes, observing that the Democrats are winning “not because of the superiority of their candidates or ideas but because the Republicans are perceived as failing.”


Neither Hillary Clinton nor Barack Obama, he writes “has the answer to what ails America. Both, and Barack especially, have moved far outside the mainstream of the nation.


"‘I am the change agent,’ each of the Democrats proclaims. He asks if it is not madness to promise 50 million people, half of them immigrants, legal and illegal, national health insurance when America is facing an entitlements crisis with Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid -- unfunded liabilities adding up to scores of trillions of dollars?


Who, he asks, “is going to pay for this when the states are heading back toward bankruptcy, the economy is slowly sinking, U.S. Companies are being taxed up to 40 percent and the most successful Americans are already paying half their income to local, state and federal governments?”


Do Democrats “have an answer to the immigration crisis that now grips every great American city?”, he asks, adding that “the amnesty, the ‘path to citizenship’ they favor, will mean the next invasion will be the last and decisive invasion that makes America unrecognizable.”


Could the Democrats, which he calls “the Party of Government that depends on government workers and unions at election time make government more efficient? Does anyone think that a party that depends on teachers unions and the NEA can reform the social Katrina that is inner-city education in America? Was it not Democrats who ran the city of New Orleans and the state of Louisiana in the time of Katrina? But the American people want change, and Democrats represent change.”


If, the Republican Party, “on issue after issue … stood true to its beliefs and purged the twin heresies of neoconservatism in foreign policy and Wall Street Journal ideology in trade and immigration policy, it would still stand well with Middle America.”


Most Americans, he explains remain “traditionalist on right to life, homosexual marriage, a polluted culture and Hollywood values. Most Americans believe in a defense second to none, while staying out of wars that are not our quarrels.”


Buchanan insists that Republicans “believe in conservative judges and strict-constructionists justices like Antonin Scalia, who he says do not write the laws, but interpret the laws we have written through our elected representatives.”


He writes that Democrats know this and are thus not promising us any new [leftist Supreme Court judge] Ruth Bader Ginsburgs.


What has alienated America is the Bush bellicosity, the my-way-or-the-highway free-trade ideology, the refusal to defend the border with the implication that anyone who wants to preserve the country he grew up in is some kind of bigot”, Buchanan concludes.


“The Party of Reagan is losing the country because it is no longer the party of the principles, policies and persona of Reagan, as applied to the problems of our time.”

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Buchanan:_Reagan_Coalitio/2008/01/05/62035.html
 

backhoeboogie

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Oldtimer said:
Even ol Buchanan can see it....If it wasn't for GW's cheerleaders like Rush and Hannity he would have no one...

Why do you think Hannity has such a following? :D

Be careful with that "no one" statement. There are some of us who would vote for him again if we could. Might ask for a show of hands because there are more than just me. Great Americans call in on the Hannity show regularly. Maybe I should some day, since there are so few of us "no ones". :D
 
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backhoeboogie said:
Oldtimer said:
Even ol Buchanan can see it....If it wasn't for GW's cheerleaders like Rush and Hannity he would have no one...

Why do you think Hannity has such a following? :D

Be careful with that "no one" statement. There are some of us who would vote for him again if we could. Might ask for a show of hands because there are more than just me. Great Americans call in on the Hannity show regularly. Maybe I should some day, since there are so few of us "no ones". :D

Oh- I'm sure there are some old dyed in the woolers-(some of that Missouri/Arkansas equine breeding) but the majority of the country and now even many of the Republicans have followed the advice of Reagan--and are also beginning to be open about it and voice their displeasure....

Don't be afraid to see what you see.
Ronald Reagan
 

Tex

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backhoeboogie said:
Oldtimer said:
Even ol Buchanan can see it....If it wasn't for GW's cheerleaders like Rush and Hannity he would have no one...

Why do you think Hannity has such a following? :D

Be careful with that "no one" statement. There are some of us who would vote for him again if we could. Might ask for a show of hands because there are more than just me. Great Americans call in on the Hannity show regularly. Maybe I should some day, since there are so few of us "no ones". :D

You might be, backhoe, but you are an ever decreasing minority.

The fact is that Hannity and most of the Fox noise along with people like Rush are not stating the facts, but the spin.

Businesses have not done as well under Bush as under Clinton, because, I would argue, of the differences between fiscal policies and a little fed policies. The regulatory agencies that are supposed to keep businesses honest have sold out to a very few well paying constituents. Political leaders are more interested (take Lott for instance) in how to make money out of the power they held supposedly for the people and the country, not themselves with the revolving door of lobbying.

Our debt has increase enormously under the republican leadership.

Our military has been degraded substantially.

We have depended on mercenaries and national guard for our military.

Our standing of being in interest for democracy and liberty in the world has yielded to being self serving and interested in a few corporations, even if it means we rn over others.

We have had major political scandals all the way up to the VP's office.

Our govt. has lied to us and used the CIA and FBI for illegal purposes, even promoting prvt. businesses to help them spy.

Our constitution is nothing but a joke. Our legal system uses it instead of follows it.

Our legal system is in a wreck where judges can not even interpret the words "is" or "or" , in order to keep the power elite from legal disadvantage.In spite of this, the judges are asking for raises.

The nation's attorney general had to resign because of his ineptitude in running the most important part of the enforcement of laws and lying to Congress.

We have allowed terrorists to be used as an excuse to take away the rights that make us a working democracy and continue a very expensive war that we have been told has no end.

We are no longer a nation of laws, but a nation of corporations, who have been increasingly involved in writing the laws and their implementation by govt. agencies.

There is no accountability. No one is punished for wrong doing in the govt. even after Congressional committees find it. No bureaucrat or political appointees have any consequences, nor does the investigation into it go to the political level where the only semblance of accountability exists.

The leading rep. candidate claims the admin. has a bunker mentality--and it is true.


The national leading dem. candidate (Hillary) has taken in more corporate money than the repub. leadership.



The list goes on and on.

When you can't see these facts, backhoe, and they are true with more and more evidence coming out every day, you become a minority cheerleader, no matter what side of the aisle you are on.
 

Goodpasture

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Mike said:
The party nominations haven't been made yet. The current races consist of elections WITHIN the party's at present.

In other words, there are no races between the Dems and Repubs at this time.

You must not know how the election process works?
Obviously you have no grasp of reality in the electoral process. In both New Hampshire and Iowa, unlike Oklahoma and most other states, an independent can choose to participate in the primary. When independents find someone they like, they will go to the caucus or vote on the ticket of the person they like. A major effort is usually made to get out the independent vote for the party. Not just the candidate. In Iowa, the vast majority of independents went to Democrat caucuses, abandoning the Republican caucuses. There are three things that I find significant in this. First there is no one on the Republican ticket that is exciting any interest. Second the turnout showed that Obama is far and away more representative of the independents feelings than any other candidate, and third, bush has no credibility and thus no "political capital" to spend. It is obvious from the lack of promises to continue the Bush policies and the incredible number of Republicans who are promising change that Bush is a liability that the Republicans are trying to hide, pretending he is an aberration that does not represent the Republican party. Unfortunately for the republicans, the independents know better and are voting for real change, not just more of the same failed Bush policies.

What would put the icing on the cake would be if Obama announced a criminal investigation into the Bush administration as soon as he takes office. I bet it wouldn't take 30 minutes until Huckabee and Romney promised to do the same thing.
 

Mike

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All this has nothing to do with Bush stumping for Republicans.

He is waiting for the Republican nomination to endorse a candidate because his Vice-President is not running for the election. :roll:
 

kolanuraven

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Mike said:
All this has nothing to do with Bush stumping for Republicans.

He is waiting for the Republican nomination to endorse a candidate because his Vice-President is not running for the election. :roll:



But with the way each and every Rep. running for the office of Prez talks about Bush.....they don't like him either! They don't want him anywhere near them and who could blame them in the long run, not me for sure!
 

Texan

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Just like Mike said, it would be foolish to expect him to endorse somebody before the primary since his VP isn't running. But it's also true that some of the contenders might not want his endorsement.

What's REALLY funny is how the last Vice-President to run for President distanced himself from his boss. Didn't want him appearing at campaign functions and didn't really want anything to do with him.

Any of you Dems remember that? Y'all think old Slick is like some kind of god now that he's out of office, but remember at the end of his term when nobody wanted to be around him? Not even his own VP? :lol:
 

Tex

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Texan said:
Just like Mike said, it would be foolish to expect him to endorse somebody before the primary since his VP isn't running. But it's also true that some of the contenders might not want his endorsement.

What's REALLY funny is how the last Vice-President to run for President distanced himself from his boss. Didn't want him appearing at campaign functions and didn't really want anything to do with him.

Any of you Dems remember that? Y'all think old Slick is like some kind of god now that he's out of office, but remember at the end of his term when nobody wanted to be around him? Not even his own VP? :lol:

I think his time on the campaign trail hurt her. It reminded everyone of a past administration, not hers. I for one do not want another bill clinton in the white house, even if on Hillary's behalf. We all remember that part of her "experience" was a felandering husband, and an abuse of the FBI files. The FBI/travelgate and unsolved murders/pardons are too close to what we are trying to change now.
 

katrina

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Okay, I put on two pairs of flame retardant suits on so flame away!!!
I think George Bush will go down as one of the greatest presidents in history... I like him. I always will... We don't know the whole story and won't till Bush is out of office.... He is an honorable man who has done some pretty heroic things while president.... We'll see what the next president is like.... Never know......... You guys maybe begging for Bush back in office if we don't have a strong next president.
 
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katrina said:
Okay, I put on two pairs of flame retardant suits on so flame away!!!
I think George Bush will go down as one of the greatest presidents in history... I like him. I always will... We don't know the whole story and won't till Bush is out of office.... He is an honorable man who has done some pretty heroic things while president.... We'll see what the next president is like.... Never know......... You guys maybe begging for Bush back in office if we don't have a strong next president.

Katrina-You been drinking some of that Ozark white lightning of Red Rangers :???: :wink: :lol: :p

I thought at one time I may be the one that was wrong when I started doubting him and seeing holes in his stories and actions--then as I saw the true Conservatives, and then the Liberals, and then the middle of roaders, Independents, and Reagan Democrats all seeing essentially the same thing-- a runaway, arrogant, kingdom that cares nothing for the common man-or the US Constitution-I have to agree with all those that can't decide who will be the worst in history --GW or Jimmy Carter- but I have a feeling GW may win since he still has a year to go- and in that time our economy may look worse than it ever did with Jimmy :roll: :( .....

The only hope the Republican Party and their candidate has at all to win-- is to distance itself as far from GW as possible--which McCain and Huckleberry are already doing- along with many of the old Republicans like Newt and Buchanan.....
 

kolanuraven

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katrina said:
Okay, I put on two pairs of flame retardant suits on so flame away!!!
I think George Bush will go down as one of the greatest presidents in history... I like him. I always will... We don't know the whole story and won't till Bush is out of office.... He is an honorable man who has done some pretty heroic things while president.... We'll see what the next president is like.... Never know......... You guys maybe begging for Bush back in office if we don't have a strong next president.


:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Woman...you need help!!!

You're crazier than Brittany Spears!!!


Is sure don't take much to impress you!!!! :roll: :roll:
 

backhoeboogie

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katrina said:
Okay, I put on two pairs of flame retardant suits on so flame away!!!
I think George Bush will go down as one of the greatest presidents in history... I like him. I always will... We don't know the whole story and won't till Bush is out of office.... He is an honorable man who has done some pretty heroic things while president.... We'll see what the next president is like.... Never know......... You guys maybe begging for Bush back in office if we don't have a strong next president.

OOPS! There you go. Another one of us "no ones". Oldtimer, are you taking note?
 

Red Robin

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I also think the historians will look back at Bush as a courageous president. He's sure been good on the war on terror. I wish he'd been more Christian friendly and better on the border but all in all, he's been better than his father and better than Clinton certainly.
 
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