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hopalong

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A pathological liar is usually defined as someone who lies incessantly to get their way and does so with little concern for others. Pathological lying is often viewed as coping mechanism developed in early childhood and it is often associated with some other type of mental health disorder. A pathological liar is often goal-oriented (i.e., lying is focused - it is done to get one's way). Pathological liars have little regard or respect for the rights and feelings of others. A pathological liar often comes across as being manipulative, cunning and self-centered.





compulsive liar is defined as someone who lies out of habit. Lying is their normal and reflexive way of responding to questions. Compulsive liars bend the truth about everything, large and small. For a compulsive liar, telling the truth is very awkward and uncomfortable while lying feels right. Compulsive lying is usually thought to develop in early childhood, due to being placed in an environment where lying was necessary. For the most part, compulsive liars are not overly manipulative and cunning (see, Pathological Liar), rather they simply lie out of habit - an automatic response which is hard to break and one that takes its toll on a relationship







Source: http://www.truthaboutdeception.com/confront_a_liar/public/pathological-compulsive.html">http://www.truthaboutdeception.com/confront_a_liar/public/pathological-compulsive.html
 

Soapweed

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Here is my take. I am sure Oldtimer is a good rancher, and a good neighbor. He is honest in his normal daily dealings. I think he and I could get along quite well if we lived in the same area, and saw each other occasionally. Where he comes across as dishonest, is his lying to make Bush look bad and doing the same for Obama to look good. He can say nothing good about Bush, and nothing bad about Obama.

His other area of "inexpertise" is the fact he can never admit when he is wrong. There are many times when he is blatantly wrong, and an apology would be in order. He has never ever, on this board, given an apology.

Oldtimer, I do apologize for treating you less than respectfully. My mid-February resolution is to try to do better in this regard. Have a great day, Oldtimer. :)
 

loomixguy

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Soap, I respectfully have to disagree with you on this.

The old adage, "You reap what you sow" fits quite well here. You and I or most anyone else on this board, with a few exceptions, can have respectful, intelligent, and harmonious discussions here, sometimes bordering on extreme hilarity. When the troll from Glasgow puts in his 2 cents worth, things begin to change. With his supposed life experiences, you would think he would be a smooth, honest, and compassionate operater. However, his inability to accept that he may be wrong, and publicly admit so, coupled with his borderline insane hatred for George W. Bush and his out of the closet man-love for Barack Hussein Obama leaves one little choice but to come to terms with his mental illness, which is that of being a compulsive liar. The fact he is still a moderater on this site is mind blowing as well.

A compulsive liar would rather lie to you than tell the truth, even if telling the truth would be more beneficial to them. His behavior here throughout the years, and especially over the last four, has totally destroyed any credibility he may have once enjoyed. His addiction to alcohol, coupled with his ramblings here have not won him any fans, either. My guess is his day to day dealings in the real world are beginning to crumble around him as well. The folks that I know who personally know him don't have a good word to say on his behalf.

It's sad to watch somebody self-destruct before your eyes, but he seems hell-bent on doing so. He actually needs help. If "tough love" is what he's looking for, this is the right place to get it. I think he secretly gets off on it.
 

gmacbeef

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I would say he's more like an occasional liar, & truth distorter, & bullshyt spreader. Oblamea on the other hand is a pathological lying SOB. No doubt about it.
 

littlejoe

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Soapweed said:
Here is my take. I am sure Oldtimer is a good rancher, and a good neighbor. He is honest in his normal daily dealings. I think he and I could get along quite well if we lived in the same area, and saw each other occasionally. Where he comes across as dishonest, is his lying to make Bush look bad and doing the same for Obama to look good. He can say nothing good about Bush, and nothing bad about Obama.

His other area of "inexpertise" is the fact he can never admit when he is wrong. There are many times when he is blatantly wrong, and an apology would be in order. He has never ever, on this board, given an apology.

Oldtimer, I do apologize for treating you less than respectfully. My mid-February resolution is to try to do better in this regard. Have a great day, Oldtimer. :)

Frankly, I find the thought of anyone 'lying to make bush look bad" kinda baffling----er...unneccesary...er...redundant.....maybe like trying to touch up that mike l. angelo guy's painting with watercolors......

10. "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?" --Florence, South Carolina, Jan. 11, 2000

9. "As yesterday's positive report card shows, childrens do learn when standards are high and results are measured." --on the No Child Left Behind Act, Washington, D.C., Sept. 26, 2007 (Watch video clip)

8. "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." --Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000 (Listen to audio clip)

7. "I'm the decider, and I decide what is best. And what's best is for Don Rumsfeld to remain as the Secretary of Defense." --Washington, D.C. April 18, 2006 (Read more; listen to audio clip; watch video clip)

6. "There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee -- that says, fool me once, shame on --shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again." --Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 (Watch video clip)

5. "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." --Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004 (Watch video clip)

4. "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." --Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004 (Watch video clip)

3. "You work three jobs? ... Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." --to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005 (Listen to audio clip)

2. "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." --to FEMA director Michael Brown, who resigned 10 days later amid criticism over his handling of the Hurricane Katrina debacle, Mobile, Ala., Sept. 2, 2005 (Listen to audio clip; watch video clip)

1. "My answer is bring them on." --on Iraqi insurgents attacking U.S. forces, Washington, D.C., July 3, 2003


obama's a dope too---and a dangerous one----but--sadly--not nearly as entertaining
 

Faster horses

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I disagree. Obama is no dope. He knows EXACTLY what he is doing and
he's a very dangerous man.

Bush may have mis-spoken, but I always felt he CARED about this country and it's people and I'm certain
Obama does not care about America or Americans.

Obama is one pretty talker; but watch what he DOES, not what he SAYS.
 

hypocritexposer

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Faster horses said:
I disagree. Obama is no dope. He knows EXACTLY what he is doing and
he's a very dangerous man.

Bush may have mis-spoken, but I always felt he CARED about this country and it's people and I'm certain
Obama does not care about America or Americans.

Obama is one pretty talker; but watch what he DOES, not what he SAYS.


I submit that the more likely hypothesis, which is supported by both Heinlein's and Occam's razor, is that these politicians are not at all stupid or unlucky, but they are doing exactly what they want to do and they are getting exactly the result that they hope to achieve. You might think, "I can't believe that my politicians are purposefully destroying/harming (fill in the blank). Well, you are probably right. You can't believe it, but that does not mean it is not true. Much that is true is not believed at first.


But if there were people in our political class that were seeking to create a "utopia" and they knew that America would have to be destroyed first, they would seek to weaken America in every way possible, including economically, socially, educationally, industrially, morally, fiscally and even militarily. If the goal was the destruction of America, everything these Marxists do makes perfect sense. Otherwise we have to believe that these politicians are just really stupid or unlucky.

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=63447
 

Broke Cowboy

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Faster horses said:
I disagree. Obama is no dope. He knows EXACTLY what he is doing and
he's a very dangerous man.

Bush may have mis-spoken, but I always felt he CARED about this country and it's people and I'm certain
Obama does not care about America or Americans.

Obama is one pretty talker; but watch what he DOES, not what he SAYS.

FH - you make an interesting point. As an outsider I would have to agree.

Bush was not a well spoken individual. I ALWAYS thought that in the end that no matter what he said, and no matter how badly the media treated him, he TRULY cared about your country.

Hussein is a very polished speaker who uses a teleprompter better than the average bear. It is my personal observation that the man has no concern for your country - he is more concerned about "what is in it for him".

Your comment is one that many seem to completely miss. I hope at least a few others see it.

My best

BC
 

TexasBred

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Faster horses said:
I disagree. Obama is no dope. He knows EXACTLY what he is doing and
he's a very dangerous man.

Bush may have mis-spoken, but I always felt he CARED about this country and it's people and I'm certain
Obama does not care about America or Americans.

Obama is one pretty talker; but watch what he DOES, not what he SAYS.

He may have mis-spoken but when finished folks knew what he meant and where he stood...when buckwheat finishes the world is at a loss.[/b]
 

Mike

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OT said out of one side of his mouth that Bush was a crook and liar, and the other side said Bush has good moral character. :wink:
Topic: Our Disappearing Economy
Oldtimer

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Forum: Political Bull Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 8:22 pm Subject: Our Disappearing Economy
As an Independent I voted for GW- wasn't much other choice-- still support him on many issues and am glad we have a President with good moral character....But I predict that his unbending pro big bus ...
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
OT said out of one side of his mouth that Bush was a crook and liar, and the other side said Bush has high moral character. :wink:

''I'd like to believe I'm smarter today than I was yesterday,''
~Abe Lincoln

At one time I believed he was of high moral character- until issue after issue came out that showed he or his administration had said things to deliberately mislead the public...
I still believe his greatest mistake was staying in campaign mode thru all 8 years- and putting so much weight on Karl Roves advice...
 

Whitewing

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Broke Cowboy said:
Faster horses said:
I disagree. Obama is no dope. He knows EXACTLY what he is doing and
he's a very dangerous man.

Bush may have mis-spoken, but I always felt he CARED about this country and it's people and I'm certain
Obama does not care about America or Americans.

Obama is one pretty talker; but watch what he DOES, not what he SAYS.

FH - you make an interesting point. As an outsider I would have to agree.

Bush was not a well spoken individual. I ALWAYS thought that in the end that no matter what he said, and no matter how badly the media treated him, he TRULY cared about your country.

Hussein is a very polished speaker who uses a teleprompter better than the average bear. It is my personal observation that the man has no concern for your country - he is more concerned about "what is in it for him".

Your comment is one that many seem to completely miss. I hope at least a few others see it.

My best

BC

Any man who would hang with the likes of "the Reverend" Jeremiah Wright for 20 years clearly has a different view of what America is all about, what got the country where it was until recently, and where it should go, than the typical Anglo-Saxon Protestant who is responsible for making the country the great nation it once was.

That observation comes from a guy raised Roman Catholic.
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
OT said out of one side of his mouth that Bush was a crook and liar, and the other side said Bush has high moral character. :wink:

''I'd like to believe I'm smarter today than I was yesterday,''
~Abe Lincoln

At one time I believed he was of high moral character- until issue after issue came out that showed he or his administration had said things to deliberately mislead the public...
I still believe his greatest mistake was staying in campaign mode thru all 8 years- and putting so much weight on Karl Roves advice...

Good God old man, you truly have lost your mind.

First you won't ever post any evidence of that Bush said anything to deliberately mislead the public (LYING) and secondly, I don't ever recall that he seemed to be in campaign mode throughout his presidency.

The King? Indeed. He never bothered to lead he was so busy campaigning for his second coronation.
 
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Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
OT said out of one side of his mouth that Bush was a crook and liar, and the other side said Bush has high moral character. :wink:

''I'd like to believe I'm smarter today than I was yesterday,''
~Abe Lincoln

At one time I believed he was of high moral character- until issue after issue came out that showed he or his administration had said things to deliberately mislead the public...
I still believe his greatest mistake was staying in campaign mode thru all 8 years- and putting so much weight on Karl Roves advice...

Good God old man, you truly have lost your mind.

First you won't ever post any evidence of that Bush said anything to deliberately mislead the public (LYING) and secondly, I don't ever recall that he seemed to be in campaign mode throughout his presidency.

The King? Indeed. He never bothered to lead he was so busy campaigning for his second coronation.





CAKEWALK!

"I believe demolishing Hussein's military power and liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk."
- Kenneth Adelman, member of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board, 2/13/02

"Support for Saddam, including within his military organization, will collapse after the first whiff of gunpowder."
- Richard Perle, Chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board, 7/11/02

"Desert Storm II would be in a walk in the park... The case for 'regime change' boils down to the huge benefits and modest costs of liberating Iraq."
- Kenneth Adelman, member of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board, 8/29/02

"Having defeated and then occupied Iraq, democratizing the country should not be too tall an order for the world's sole superpower."
- William Kristol, Weekly Standard editor, and Lawrence F. Kaplan, New Republic senior editor, 2/24/03




MANY TROOPS WILL BE NEEDED?

"I would be surprised if we need anything like the 200,000 figure that is sometimes discussed in the press. A much smaller force, principally special operations forces, but backed up by some regular units, should be sufficient."
- Richard Perle, Chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board, 7/11/02

"I don't believe that anything like a long-term commitment of 150,000 Americans would be necessary."
- Richard Perle, speaking at a conference on "Post-Saddam Iraq" sponsored by the American Enterprise Institute, 10/3/02

"I would say that what's been mobilized to this point -- something on the order of several hundred thousand soldiers are probably, you know, a figure that would be required."
- Gen. Eric Shinseki, testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee, 2/25/03

"The idea that it would take several hundred thousand U.S. forces, I think, is far from the mark."
- Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense, 2/27/03

"I am reasonably certain that they will greet us as liberators, and that will help us keep [troop] requirements down. ... We can say with reasonable confidence that the notion of hundreds of thousands of American troops is way off the mark...wildly off the mark."
- Paul Wolfowitz, U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense, testifying before the House Budget Committee, 2/27/03

"It's hard to conceive that it would take more forces to provide stability in post-Saddam Iraq than it would take to conduct the war itself and to secure the surrender of Saddam's security forces and his army. Hard to image."
- Paul Wolfowitz, U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense, testifying before the House Budget Committee, 2/27/03

"If our commanders on the ground say we need more troops, I will send them. But our commanders tell me they have the number of troops they need to do their job. Sending more Americans would undermine our strategy of encouraging Iraqis to take the lead in this fight. And sending more Americans would suggest that we intend to stay forever, when we are, in fact, working for the day when Iraq can defend itself and we can leave."
- President George W. Bush, 6/28/05



WHAT ABOUT CASUALTIES?

"Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties."
- President George W. Bush, response attributed to him by the Reverend Pat Robertson, when Robertson warned the president to prepare the nation for "heavy casualties" in the event of an Iraq war, 3/2003

"Why should we hear about body bags and deaths? Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?"
- Barbara Bush, former First Lady (and the current president's mother), on Good Morning America, 3/18/03

"I think the level of casualties is secondary... [A]ll the great scholars who have studied American character have come to the conclusion that we are a warlike people and that we love war... What we hate is not casualties but losing."
- Michael Ledeen, American Enterprise Institute, 3/25/03

HOW MUCH WILL IT COST?

"Iraq is a very wealthy country. Enormous oil reserves. They can finance, largely finance the reconstruction of their own country. And I have no doubt that they will."
- Richard Perle, Chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board, 7/11/02

"The likely economic effects [of the war in Iraq] would be relatively small... Under every plausible scenario, the negative effect will be quite small relative to the economic benefits."
- Lawrence Lindsey, White House Economic Advisor, 9/16/02

"It is unimaginable that the United States would have to contribute hundreds of billions of dollars and highly unlikely that we would have to contribute even tens of billions of dollars."
- Kenneth M. Pollack, former Director for Persian Gulf Affairs, U.S. National Security Council, 9/02

"The costs of any intervention would be very small."
- Glenn Hubbard, White House Economic Advisor, 10/4/02

"When it comes to reconstruction, before we turn to the American taxpayer, we will turn first to the resources of the Iraqi government and the international community."
- Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense, 3/27/03

"There is a lot of money to pay for this that doesn't have to be U.S. taxpayer money, and it starts with the assets of the Iraqi people. We are talking about a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon."
- Paul Wolfowitz, U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense, testifying before the Defense Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee, 3/27/03

"The United States is committed to helping Iraq recover from the conflict, but Iraq will not require sustained aid."
- Mitchell Daniels, Director, White House Office of Management and Budget, 4/21/03

"Iraq has tremendous resources that belong to the Iraqi people. And so there are a variety of means that Iraq has to be able to shoulder much of the burden for ther own reconstruction."
- Ari Fleischer, White House Press Secretary, 2/18/03

HOW LONG WILL IT LAST?

"Now, it isn't gong to be over in 24 hours, but it isn't going to be months either."
- Richard Perle, Chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board, 7/11/02

"The idea that it's going to be a long, long, long battle of some kind I think is belied by the fact of what happened in 1990. Five days or five weeks or five months, but it certainly isn't going to last any longer than that."
- Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense, 11/15/02

"I will bet you the best dinner in the gaslight district of San Diego that military action will not last more than a week. Are you willing to take that wager?"
- Bill O'Reilly, 1/29/03

"It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could be six days, six weeks. I doubt six months."
- Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense, 2/7/03

"It won't take weeks... Our military machine will crush Iraq in a matter of days and there's no question that it will."
- Bill O'Reilly, 2/10/03

"There is zero question that this military campaign...will be reasonably short. ... Like World War II for about five days."
- General Barry R. McCaffrey, national security and terrorism analyst for NBC News, 2/18/03

"The Iraq fight itself is probably going to go very, very fast. The shooting should be over within just a very few days from when it starts."
- David Frum, former Bush White House speechwriter, 2/24/03


"I think it will go relatively quickly...weeks rather than months."
- Vice President Dick Cheney, 3/16/03


Heres just one issue that evidence has been posted on--- so was he purposely misleading the public -- or was he and/or his advisors really that stupid... :???:
 

Larrry

Well-known member
ot, you have no right to call anyone a LIAR. You see that would make you a hypocrite. Do you want to be called a lying hypocrite because a statement like that classsifies you as such
 

Mike

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
OT said out of one side of his mouth that Bush was a crook and liar, and the other side said Bush has high moral character. :wink:

''I'd like to believe I'm smarter today than I was yesterday,''
~Abe Lincoln

At one time I believed he was of high moral character- until issue after issue came out that showed he or his administration had said things to deliberately mislead the public...
I still believe his greatest mistake was staying in campaign mode thru all 8 years- and putting so much weight on Karl Roves advice...

You said he had "good moral character" over 2 YEARS after the Iraq war had started, yet you bring up things said before the beginning of the Iraq campaign??

Your argument doesn't hold water. And again, you are seen to be a liar. :roll:
 

TexasBred

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
At one time I believed he was of high moral character- until issue after issue came out that showed he or his administration had said things to deliberately mislead the public...
I still believe his greatest mistake was staying in campaign mode thru all 8 years- and putting so much weight on Karl Roves advice...
speaking of "campaign mode". Have you not noticed that Hussein still seems to think the election is in the future ?? Perhaps he's thinking of 2016 already. You and 51 million other idiots can make it happen for him.
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
From your own list OT:

I believe.........

I would be surprised..........

I don't believe........

I would say that......

I am reasonably certain...........


yada yada yada and 99% of them NOT from Bush.

I'm not sure what it is about liberals, but when it comes to opinion, they somehow seem to see fact.....especially if it supports their beliefs.

I ask again OT, provide me to a link of a SINGLE LIE told by George W. Bush to mislead the American people.

A SINGLE LIE you blithering idiot. A SINGLE LIE.

Just one OT. You can do it. According to you they're everywhere.
 
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