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Who are the real conspiracy theorists?

hypocritexposer

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Who are the real conspiracy theorists?
Posted on March 2nd, 2010 by Joseph Farah


There are many in the press today caricaturing me as a “conspiracy theorist” simply because I, like millions of other Americans, insist on actually seeing proof of Barack Obama’s constitutional eligibility.

I’ve never alleged a conspiracy. Obama was given a free pass by an opponent who had his own eligibility issues. Not much of a conspiracy necessary – especially with Obama accountable only to a fawning press and scared-of-their-shadows Republicans.

But “conspiracy theorist” is an easy epithet to hurl.

One good question to ask, the next time you hear someone call me that name, is this: “Just exactly who is Joseph Farah accusing of participating in a conspiracy?”

I’d sure like to know the answer to that question.

I’m simply demanding that Barack Obama live up to his constitutional requirement and produce the evidence that will demonstrate his constitutional eligibility to serve.

The men who wrote that Constitution are long gone, but their words are clear and concise.

All I am doing – and all I have ever done on this issue of constitutional eligibility – is what I would expect every American citizen and especially every member of the press to do: Hold arguably the most powerful politician in the world to accountable to his pledges of “transparency,” honesty, the rule of law, his oath of office and the same standard to which his lackluster, unworthy Republican opponent in the 2008 election was held.

Is that too much to ask?

Does that really make me part of the “fringe” in America in 2010?

I make no apologies for pushing this issue. The more I am criticized, the more I realize I am really getting to Obama and his acolytes.

It’s hardly a “conspiracy theory” to state the obvious: Obama has not proven he is constitutionally eligible. In fact, he has made no effort to do so. All he does is mau-mau about not questioning his citizenship.

If he can’t stand being questioned, he has no business being in public office.

Ironically, some of the same cast of characters who refer to people like me as “conspiracy theorists” weave some pretty wild conspiracy theories of their own.

They suggest, for instance, that Obama is actually behind the demands for his birth certificate. They suggest he likes to hear the question: “Where’s the birth certificate?” They also suggest it’s a distraction from other important issues?

Do you believe that?

Have you ever seen me or my news organization get distracted from coverage of other important issues because of our concern for the integrity of the Constitution?

In fact, I would say the integrity of the Constitution is at the heart of most of my concerns and focus as to what this administration and this Congress are doing – namely exceeding all limits on their legitimate authority.

But what should we expect of politicians who are given a pass on their own constitutional eligibility?

Further, do you believe Obama actually likes these questions? Do you think they are helping his popularity rating? Do you think he can face re-election and win when so many Americans still have deep questions about his own legitimacy, questions that were effectively deep-sixed during his previous run for office against an opponent who was battered and besieged by questions about his own constitutional eligibility?

This eligibility issue is a ticking time bomb for Obama – just as much as his own failed policies are.

What’s alarming to me is not the vehemence with which Obama’s allies defend his concealment of the most basic elements of proof of his eligibility. What’s more alarming and disconcerting is the vehemence of those who failed previously to put Obama to the test.

Wouldn’t you say these people stand to be very embarrassed about their own negligence if the truth proves he’s not what he claims?

I remain absolutely agnostic on the question of whether Obama is constitutionally eligible to serve. I just plain don’t know – and I’m honest enough to say it, over and over again.

But, with 35 years of experience in journalism under my belt, I can also say I am 100 percent certain he’s hiding something – deliberately, aggressively, passionately and, I might add, desperately.
 

Steve

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I just plain don’t know – and I’m honest enough to say it,

and like him I am unwilling to allow "factcheck" to have authority over our Constitution..


the day he was elected, I believed he was eligible,

but after seeing facts presented on his Selective service application, his social secuirty number issued in CT, (at a place and time he couldn't have ever been), his lack of transparency on many other issues. and most of all the blocked out certificate number

because for the life of me, I can't see why the number of a certificate would be blocked out, (maybe it would allow verification),.. but the whole handling of it has left doubts..

and when I have doubts about facts, I like to do research to find them... and so far every one I have found leaves more doubts about who he really is...

seems to me this could be solved in about a day if the President was open honest and showed a bit of the transparency he promised..
 

hypocritexposer

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Steve said:
I just plain don’t know – and I’m honest enough to say it,

and like him I am unwilling to allow "factcheck" to have authority over our Constitution..

Here's one of the problems with Factchek. They have been deceptive, when it comes to the COLB.

Here's just one example:

Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


Here is the director of Hawaii’s Department of Health press release: (I'll bold Honolulu or any other birth city mentioned)

BEGIN STATEMENT ------------------------
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
News Release
LINDA LINGLE
GOVERNOR

CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D.
DIRECTOR
Phone: (808) 586-4410
Fax: (808) 586-4444

For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93

STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO

"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

"No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i.”
###
For more information, contact:
Janice Okubo
Communications Office
Phone: (808) 586-4442
---------------- END STATEMENT ------------------------

http://24ahead.com/hawaii-department-health-103108-press-release-about-obama-bi


They never confirmed a Honolulu birth or in any other city

Factchek has mislead/deceived with this statment.
 

Steve

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hypocritexposer said:
Steve said:
I just plain don’t know – and I’m honest enough to say it,

and like him I am unwilling to allow "factcheck" to have authority over our Constitution..

Here's one of the problems with Factchek. They have been deceptive, when it comes to the COLB.

Here's just one example:

Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


Here is the director of Hawaii’s Department of Health press release: (I'll bold Honolulu or any other birth city mentioned)

BEGIN STATEMENT ------------------------
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
News Release
LINDA LINGLE
GOVERNOR

CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D.
DIRECTOR
Phone: (808) 586-4410
Fax: (808) 586-4444

For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93

STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO

"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

"No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i.”
###
For more information, contact:
Janice Okubo
Communications Office
Phone: (808) 586-4442
---------------- END STATEMENT ------------------------

http://24ahead.com/hawaii-department-health-103108-press-release-about-obama-bi


They never confirmed a Honolulu birth or in any other city

Factchek has mislead/deceived with this statment.

even if "factcheck" wasn't "misleading/deceptive, .... they are not who should have decided this issue.. nor been who dealt with verifying the documents.
,... it was discovered that the New Jersey Secretary of State, whose official duty is to certify a candidate is eligible to run on the Presidential ballot, had “taken no steps” to verify such eligibility and just “assumed” all candidates were “eligible”.

Denofrio contacted the New Jersey Secretary of State Elections Division on Oct. 22 to determine what steps the Secretary of State had taken to determine whether any of the presidential candidates listed on the New Jersey ballots were eligible for the office.

He was informed by Elections Manager Donna Barber the Secretary of State (Nina Mitchell Wells) took no steps to determine eligibility and assumed eligibility based only upon the fact they had been nominated.

However, New Jersey statute requires Wells to make a “statement” wherein she certifies, under her hand and official seal of office, the names … “of all such candidates for whom the voters within such county may be by law entitled to vote at such election.”

In summation, it’s harder for me to get a driver’s license, than it is for a candidate to run for President,

to get a NJ drivers license requires.... more proof then being president....
is something wrong with this picture?
 

hypocritexposer

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State Crimes Against Democracy

by Peter Phillips and Mickey Huff


New research in the journal American Behavioral Scientist (Sage publications, February 2010) addresses the concept of “State Crimes Against Democracy” (SCAD). Professor Lance deHaven-Smith from Florida State University writes that SCADs involve high-level government officials, often in combination with private interests, that engage in covert activities for political advantages and power. Proven SCADs since World War II include McCarthyism (fabrication of evidence of a communist infiltration), Gulf of Tonkin Resolution (President Johnson and Robert McNamara falsely claimed North Vietnam attacked a US ship), burglary of the office of Daniel Ellsberg’s psychiatrist in effort to discredit Ellsberg, the Watergate break-in, Iran-Contra, Florida’s 2000 Election (felon disenfranchisement program), and fixed intelligence on WMDs to justify the Iraq War.1

Other suspected SCADs include the assassination of Lee Harvey Oswald, the shooting of George Wallace, the October Surprise near the end of the Carter presidency, military grade anthrax mailed to Senators Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy, Martin Luther King’s assassination, and the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 on September 11, 2001. The proven SCADs have a long trail of congressional hearings, public records, and academic research establishing the truth of the activities. The suspected SCADs listed above have substantial evidence of covert actions with countervailing deniability that tend to leave the facts in dispute.2

The term “conspiracy theory” is often used to denigrate and discredit inquiry into the veracity of suspected SCADs. Labeling SCAD research as “conspiracy theory” is an effective method of preventing ongoing investigations from being reported in the corporate media and keep them outside of broader public scrutiny. Psychologist Laurie Manwell, University of Guelph, addresses the psychological advantage that SCAD actors hold in the public sphere. Manwell, writing in American Behavioral Scientist (Sage 2010) states, “research shows that people are far less willing to examine information that disputes, rather than confirms, their beliefs . . . pre-existing beliefs can interfere with SCADs inquiry, especially in regards to September 11, 2001.”3

Professor Steven Hoffman, visiting scholar at the University of Buffalo, recently acknowledged this phenomenon in a study “There Must Be a Reason: Osama, Saddam and Inferred Justification.” Hoffman concluded, “Our data shows substantial support for a cognitive theory known as ‘motivated reasoning,’ which suggests that rather than search rationally for information that either confirms or disconfirms a particular belief, people actually seek out information that confirms what they already believe. In fact, for the most part people completely ignore contrary information.”4

Sometimes even new academic research goes largely unreported when the work contradicts prevailing understandings of recent historical events. A specific case of unreported academic research is the peer-reviewed journal article from Open Chemical Physics Journal (Volume 2, 2009), entitled “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust for the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe.” In the abstract the authors write, “We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.” Thermite is a pyrotechnic composition of a metal powder and a metal oxide which produces an aluminothermic reaction known as a thermite reaction and is used in controlled demolitions of buildings.5

National Medal of Science recipient (1999) Professor Lynn Margulis from the Department of Geosciences at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst is one of many academics who supports further open investigative research in the collapse of the World Trade Center towers. Margulis recently wrote in Rock Creek Free Press, “all three buildings were destroyed by carefully planned, orchestrated and executed controlled demolition.”6 Richard Gage, AIA, architect and founder of the non-profit Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Inc. (AE911Truth), announced a decisive milestone February 19, 2010 at a press conference in San Francisco, CA. More than 1,000 architects and engineers worldwide now support the call for a new investigation into the destruction of the Twin Towers and Building 7 at the World Trade Center complex on September 11, 2001.7

Credible scientific evidence brings into question the possibility that some aspects of the events of 9/11 involved State Crimes Against Democracy. Psychologically this is a very hard concept for Americans to even consider. However, ignoring the issue in the context of multiple proven SCADs since World War II seems far more dangerous for democracy than the consequences of future scientific inquiry and transparent, fact-based investigative reporting. Anything short of complete, open discourse based on all the evidence about these critical issues in our society relating to the possible continuation of SCADs is simply a matter of censorship.8

Notes

1. Lance deHaven-Smith, “Beyond Conspiracy Theory: Patterns of High Crime in American Government,” American Behavioral Scientist, Vol. 53, No. 6, (February, 2010): pp. 795–825. For more studies on SCADs and related issues see all articles for American Behavioral Scientist, Sage publications, Vol. 53, No. 6, (February, 2010).

For more background reading on this subject with specifics on the controversial cases mentioned in this paragraph, see the following scholarly works: Robert Abele, The Anatomy of a Deception: A Reconstruction and Analysis of the Decision to Invade Iraq (New York: University Press of America, 2010); Bob Coen and Eric Nadler, Dead Silence: Fear and Terror on the Anthrax Trail (Berkeley, CA: Counterpoint, 2009); Daniel Ellsberg, Secrets: A Memoir of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers (New York: Viking Adult, 2002); Steve Freeman and Joel Bleifuss, Was the 2004 Election Stolen? Exit Polls, Election Fraud, and the Official Count (New York: Seven Stories Press, 2006); Robert Griffith, The Politics of Fear: Joseph R. McCarthy and the Senate (Amherst, MA: University of Massachusetts Press, 1987); David Ray Griffin, The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7: Why the Final Official Report About 9/11 Is Unscientific and False (New York: Olive Branch press, 2008); Mark Crispin Miller, Loser Take All: Election Fraud and the Subversion of Democracy, 2000–2008 (New York: Ig Publishing, 2008); Kenneth O'Reilly, Hoover and the Un-Americans: The FBI, HUAC, and the Red Menace (Philadelphia: Temple University Press, 1983); Robert Parry, Trick or Treason: The October Surprise Mystery (New York: Sheridan Square Press, 1993); William Pepper, An Act of State: The Execution of Marin Luther King (Updated) (New York: Verso, 2008); Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber, Weapons of Mass Deception: The Uses of Propaganda in Bush's War on Iraq (New York: Tarcher and Penguin, 2003); selected works of Peter Dale Scott, including Deep Politics and the Death of JFK (1993, 1996), Drugs Oil and War (Lanham, MD: Rowman and Littlefield, March 2003), The Road to 9/11 (Berkeley: University of California Press, 2007), and The War Conspiracy: JFK, 9/11, and the Deep Politics of War (Ipswich, MA: Mary Ferrell Foundation Press, 2008); Norman Solomon, War Made Easy: How Presidents and Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death (New Jersey: John Wiley and Sons, Inc., 2005); Lawrence Walsh, Firewall: The Iran-Contra Conspiracy and Cover-up (New York: W.W. Norton & Company, Inc., 1997); Gary Webb, Dark Alliance: The CIA, The Contras, and the Crack Cocaine Explosion (New York: Seven Stories Press, 2nd Edition, 2003);
2.

Ibid.
3.

American Behavioral Scientist, Sage publications, February, 2010, Vol. 53, No. 6. Specifically, see Laurie A. Manwell, “In Denial of Democracy: Social Psychological Implications for Public Discourse on State Crimes Against Democracy Post-9/11,” American Behavioral Scientist, Vol. 53, No. 6, (February, 2010): pp. 848–884.
4.

“How We Support Our False Beliefs,” Science Daily (Aug. 23, 2009). For the full study see Steven Hoffman, Ph.D., et al., "There Must Be a Reason: Osama, Saddam and Inferred Justification," Sociological Inquiry, Volume 79 Issue 2, (2009): pp. 142–162.
5.

Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley, Bradley R. Larsen, "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe," Open Chemical Physics Journal, Vol. 2 (April 3, 2009): 7–31.
6.

Lynn Margulis, “Two Hit, Three Down, the Biggest Lie,” Rock Creek Press, February 2010, Vol. 4, No. 2, p. 6.
7.

Richard Gage, AIA, Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth, Press Conference, February 19th, 2010, SF, CA. See the Conference announcement video.
8.

For more on issues of media censorship see Peter Phillips and Mickey Huff, eds., Censored 2010 (New York: Seven Stories Press, 2009).

This originally appeared on Global Research.

March 8, 2010

Peter Phillips is professor of sociology at Sonoma State University, President of Media Freedom Foundation/Project Censored, former director of Project Censored, and coeditor of Censored 2010. Mickey Huff is associate professor of history at Diablo Valley College, Director of Project Censored/Media Freedom Foundation, and co-editor of Censored 2010.
 

Steve

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Thermite is a pyrotechnic composition of a metal powder and a metal oxide which produces an aluminothermic reaction known as a thermite reaction and is used in controlled demolitions of buildings.

sometimes the answer is right in front of their nose if they look...

metal oxide.. rust... Red iron(III) oxide (Fe2O3, commonly known as rust) is the most common iron oxide used in thermite

metal powder,... All examples use aluminum as the reactive metal.

so when you crash an aluminum plane into a rusty building... there would be rust and aluminum afterwords.... unless your trying to confuse people and get them to believe a conspiracy theory by using terms that sound complex.. or are misleading at best...
 

hypocritexposer

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Steve said:
Thermite is a pyrotechnic composition of a metal powder and a metal oxide which produces an aluminothermic reaction known as a thermite reaction and is used in controlled demolitions of buildings.

sometimes the answer is right in front of their nose if they look...

metal oxide.. rust... Red iron(III) oxide (Fe2O3, commonly known as rust) is the most common iron oxide used in thermite

metal powder,... All examples use aluminum as the reactive metal.

so when you crash an aluminum plane into a rusty building... there would be rust and aluminum afterwords.... unless your trying to confuse people and get them to believe a conspiracy theory by using terms that sound complex.. or are misleading at best...

It's not that simple though, the ratio has to be correct, and the heat has to be a specific temp. for it to be a pyrotechnic composition


Nano-thermite, also called "super-thermite",[1] is the common name for a subset of metastable intermolecular composites (MICs) characterized by a highly exothermic reaction after ignition. Nano-thermites contain an oxidizer and a reducing agent, which are intimately mixed on the nanometer scale. MICs, including nano-thermitic materials, are a type of reactive materials investigated for military use, as well as in applications in propellants, explosives, and pyrotechnics.
 

Steve

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hypocritexposer said:
Steve said:
Thermite is a pyrotechnic composition of a metal powder and a metal oxide which produces an aluminothermic reaction known as a thermite reaction and is used in controlled demolitions of buildings.

sometimes the answer is right in front of their nose if they look...

metal oxide.. rust... Red iron(III) oxide (Fe2O3, commonly known as rust) is the most common iron oxide used in thermite

metal powder,... All examples use aluminum as the reactive metal.

so when you crash an aluminum plane into a rusty building... there would be rust and aluminum afterwords.... unless your trying to confuse people and get them to believe a conspiracy theory by using terms that sound complex.. or are misleading at best...

It's not that simple though, the ratio has to be correct, and the heat has to be a specific temp. for it to be a pyrotechnic composition

naw it's fairly easy... a bit of rust, some aluminum shavings, a bit of playdoh and a sparkler... I remember making some years ago..the mix ends up about 50/50 because of the different weights.. google home made thermite.. its so easy any kid could do it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzXo72yM1N8
 

katrina

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You guys need to watch Myth Busters..... You should of seen what they did to a chevy suburban with thermite... It was awesome... A real hoooo and aewwwwwww
 

hypocritexposer

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katrina said:
You guys need to watch Myth Busters..... You should of seen what they did to a chevy suburban with thermite... It was awesome... A real hoooo and aewwwwwww

ya, I saw that episode. It was quite the "show" they put on.

But I did not intend to highlight any "conspiracy theory" with my post. My intention was more to bring attention to the fact that by automatically labelling everything a conspiracy theory and moving on from there to demonize anybody that asks questions, the Government can effectively shut down discussion on the topic.

The Alinskyite tactic is being used too frequently, in my opinion.



However, ignoring the issue in the context of multiple proven SCADs since World War II seems far more dangerous for democracy than the consequences of future scientific inquiry and transparent, fact-based investigative reporting. Anything short of complete, open discourse based on all the evidence about these critical issues in our society relating to the possible continuation of SCADs is simply a matter of censorship
 

Steve

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hypocritexposer said:
so what is "military grade nano thermite"

it must be different in some way, or else they would not be spending money on research and usage

For the most part there is a a great deal of proof out there that the “red/grey chips” that Jones et al based their paper on, are in fact a rust inhibiting primer paint with a Kaolinite base.

“We can also say that because Kaolinite is present and that it is embedded in a Carbon based matrix with Rhomboidal Fe2O3 that a more likely explanation for the red material is paint.” JREF

Jones investigates only the red and gray chips and not the entire sample. He has a limited sample size. The chips have a laminar nature which suggests a coating or adhesive but he rules out paint by comparing the effect of MEK on some unknown paint and comparing it to the effect on the red chips. This is either incompetence or scientific misconduct and fraud.
He sees that there is an organic fraction but does not analyze it. He uses DSC to measure exotherms but does it in a stream of air so he cannot tell the difference between a reaction and plain combustion of components but claims thermitic reaction. His EDAX shows silicon, aluminum, and oxygen in the same areas of the particle but he ignores this congruency; aluminosilicates are clays and are often fillers in paints and coatings. He does not extract a larger sample of the red and gray chips with a more agressive solvent, such as hot DMF or DMF-DMSO which would allow analysis of individual components.

His conclusion that this is a thermitic material is not justified based on the data.

so he looked at a red paint chip.. and called it "super secret nano"red gray chip, and made it more believable.. but in the end.. it is still just a red paint chip...

I've heard alot of theories... and so far I have heard none that would ever make me side with radical Islamic terrorists and believe that our government would kill thousands of Americans to start a war in a country no one wants...
 

hypocritexposer

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I've heard alot of theories... and so far I have heard none that would ever make me side with radical Islamic terrorists and believe that our government would kill thousands of Americans to start a war in a country no one wants...

Unfortunately Steve, you have already fallen into the trap of thinking that all those that question the official story are trying to say that it was an inside job, where the Government killed Americans.

That's just not the case, but it is effective in shutting down discussion.

There are over 1000 architects and engineers that question the official story of the collapse of building 7, where there were no deaths, no planes, no terrorists.
 

hypocritexposer

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uor8NhUr_90

Steve, here is a firefighter that was on site, during 911. He explains that National Standards to test for explosives were not followed. He does not say that the Government had anything to do with the explosions, but that it was not investigated to Standards.

They have 118 firefighters and law enforcement officers on tape/video that say they heard explosions.

"Official NIST statements on explosives was that it would have been too difficult to test for."

He is part of the movement that is calling for a new investigation.

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/

An Appeal to Firefighters, Present and Past from a retired FDNY Lieutenant

Fellow Firefighters, A great tragedy befell our community on September 11, 2001, an unprecedented 343 deaths in the line of duty. As horrible as that toll is, if there were a rational explanation for it, we could accept it and mourn. We all understood the risk we accepted when we took the oath of office, that chance might cut short our lives when we placed ourselves in harm’s way in the public’s service. This is what we are paid for and it is our honor. However, in short, the official explanation of the events of that day are not only insufficient, they are fantastic and cannot bear rational examination. We are asked to believe that on that day three structural steel buildings, which have never before in history collapsed because of fire, fell neatly into their basements at the speed of gravity, their concrete reduced to dust. We are asked to believe that jet fuel (kerosene) can melt steel. We are asked to believe that the most sophisticated air defense system in the world, that responded to sixty-eight emergencies in the year prior to 9-11 in less than twenty minutes allowed aircraft to wander about for up to an hour and a half. We are asked to believe that the steel and titanium components of an aircraft that supposedly hit the Pentagon “evaporated”. There is much, much more if anyone cares to look into it. Trade Tower #7 by itself is the “smoking gun”. Not hit by an aircraft, with only a few relatively small fires, it came down in a classic crimp and implosion, going straight into its basement, something only very precise demolition can accomplish, which takes days if not weeks to prepare. The 9-11 Commission didn’t even mention it, and F.E.M.A. actually stated they DIDN’T KNOW WHY IT COLLAPSED AND LEFT IT AT THAT. Brothers, I know that the implications of the above are hard, almost unthinkable, but the official explanation is utter nonsense, and three hundred and forty three murdered brothers are crying out for justice. Demand a genuine investigation into the events of September 11!

-Anton Vodvarka, Lt. FDNY (ret)

Lt. Vodvarka served on FDNY Ladder Co 26, Rescue Co. 3, Rescue Co. 1, Engine Co. 92, Ladder 82 and Ladder 101. He was awarded the Merit Class 1 award, the Prentice Medal.
 

Steve

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There are over 1000 architects and engineers that question the official story of the collapse of building 7, where there were no deaths, no planes, no terrorists.

then they didn't look at the changes or design flaws of the building nor the effect of the tower collapse on the front face of the building nor the resulting fires..
 

Steve

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Unfortunately Steve, you have already fallen into the trap of thinking that all those that question the official story are trying to say that it was an inside job, where the Government killed Americans.

no.. I have not fallen in the trap... every time some one brings up a new theory, I have researched it to an end where the theory falls apart and crumbles..

it is easy to research the claims as they often are the same ones... thermite and building seven... or some version of of the same, or they claim a procedure wasn't followed.. but so far everyone who finds a red or gray paint chip thinks there should be another investigation..

but they all end the same.... 3000 lives lost, and blame it on our government... with out a shred of evidence

and worst of all, they are unwilling to accept the simple truth.. two planes flew into the towers, chaos overwhelmed the local authorities, who despite insurmountable odds did what the could...

and you have the gall to say I fell into a trap.... no I saw the destruction, not just on TV, my brother was in the city at the time, passing thru the trade centers to work.. I lost friends, and I personally know some of those who went to assist..

I can tell you exactly where I was when it happened.. it had a very personnel impact on me.. and if there was one shred of evidence that showed our government was involved, I would follow it..
 
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