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Who Is The Coward Now, Mr. Holder?

Mike

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Holder’s Shame
Commentary ^ | February 19, 2009 | Linda Chavez


By all means we need a little moral courage when it comes to discussing race — and Eric Holder was in a perfect position to begin that discussion. But instead, he simply trotted out the well-worn shibboleths about intolerance and racial division. He might have taken another course.

The elephant in the room in discussions of race isn’t white prejudice; it’s the breakdown of the black family and all the attendant social pathologies that emanate from it. When 7-out-of-10 black babies are born to single women and more than half of black children spend most of their childhood without a father at home, there are consequences: lower academic performance, more juvenile delinquency and adult crime, more dependence on government assistance, and a greater likelihood to repeat the cycle again by having more children born out of wedlock to the next generation. Yet virtually no one in the black community in any position of authority and responsibility is willing to talk about this issue.

President Obama, whose own African father abandoned him, has talked about it fleetingly, choosing instead to focus mostly on the virtues of the single mom and grandparents who raised him. In his book, The Audacity of Hope, he has a few lines about “the casualness toward sex and child rearing that renders black children more vulnerable — and for which there is simply no excuse.” But he has never made ending black illegitimacy or restoring the importance of marriage in the black community part of his policy agenda. So it’s no surprise his appointees avoid the subject as well.

The cultural divide between Whites and Blacks is widening Mr. Holder.

It’s too bad. Instead of lecturing us on cowardice, Eric Holder could have talked about the relationship between family breakdown and crime.
 

Mike

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reader (the Second) said:
Linda Chavez is a wacko.

The same might be said of you.

Please provide sufficient evidence you are not.

Here are some credentials on Ms. Chavez: (Please note the word -"Prominent")
Linda Chavez (born June 17, 1947 in Albuquerque, New Mexico) is a prominent Hispanic-American conservative author, commentator, and radio talk show host. She is also a Fox News analyst, Chairman of the Center for Equal Opportunity, has a syndicated column that appears in newspapers nationwide each week, and sits on the Board of Directors of two Fortune 1000 companies: Pilgrims Pride and ABM Industries Inc. She is of Spanish (father's side) and Anglo-American (mother's side) ancestry, was once the highest-ranking woman in President Ronald Reagan's White House, and was the first Hispanic woman nominated to the United States Cabinet.
 

hypocritexposer

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And Mike this article is wrong, on one thing. African American organizations do try to make a difference. Kinda old, but here's an article from one.

10 Harmful Things Single Mothers Do To Ruin Their Sons Lives (Part 1)
Nov.16, 2005 in Uncategorized

by Gillis Triplett (guest commentator for Bahiyah Woman Magazine)

{excerpted}

Raising Boys Wrong…

It the state of Georgia, as in most urban areas, two thirds of the Black children born, are born to unwed mothers. Most of those boys will grow up to be unproductive men in our society. For irrefutable proof one only needs to examine:

(a) The high school drop out rate amongst boys from single-family homes.

(b) The incarceration statistics for boys raised by single moms.

(c) The mass number of single mothers who have trained their boys to devalue and disrespect the entire female gender

Am I blaming society’s ills on single mothers? No! Am I attacking or demonizing single mothers? A thousand times no! I am dealing with a critical issue that has devastated multiple generations. One that has not been properly dealt with for too long. I have watched this particular group of single mothers reek havoc and sow seeds of discord in the lives of countless children. I had one incident in which a woman, (I’ll call Racine ) was dating a man, she got pregnant by him and they moved in together.
 

hypocritexposer

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Here are some actual numbers from CDC, 2004.

National Data
According to the FBI SHR data, in 2004 there were 6,644 black homicide
victims in the United States. The homicide rate among black victims in the United States was 18.71 per 100,000. For that year, the overall national homicide rate was 4.86 per 100,000. For whites, the national homicide rate was 2.97 per 100,000.

Additional information contained in the FBI SHR data on black homicide includes: Gender

Of the 6,644 black homicide victims, 5,629 (85 percent) were male, and 1,012 (15 percent) were female. Gender was not recorded for 3 victims. The homicide rate for black male victims was 30.56 per 100,000. In comparison, the overall rate for male homicide victims was 7.82 per 100,000. For white male homicide victims it was 4.47 per 100,000. The homicide rate for female black victims was 5.01 per 100,000. In
comparison, the overall rate for female homicide victims was 1.98 per 100,000. For white female homicide victims it was 1.51 per 100,000.
Age Five hundred and fifty-three black homicide victims (8 percent) were less than 18 years old and 139 black homicide victims (2 percent) were 65 years of age or older. The average age was 30 years old.

Most Common Weapons For homicides in which the weapon used could be identified, 79 percent of victims (5,032 out of 6,369) were shot and killed with guns. Of these, 80 percent (4,047 victims) were killed with handguns. There were 698 victims killed with knives
r other cutting instruments, 316 victims killed by bodily force, and 212 victims killed by a blunt object.

Victim/Offender Relationship
For homicides in which the victim to offender relationship could be identified, 74 percent of victims (2,360 out of 3,194) were murdered by someone they knew. Eight hundred and thirty-four victims were killed by strangers.

Circumstance
For homicides in which the circumstances could be identified, 70 percent (2,769 out of 3,977) were not related to the commission of any other felony. Of these, 60 percent (1,661 homicides) involved arguments between the victim and the offender. Twelve percent (344 homicides) were reported to be gang-related. The bulk of these
(224 homicides) were in California, which may be in part due to more comprehensive reporting
 

alice

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You Mike! You...are a cowardly racist! What if these two or three on this forum did not come to your rescue...where would you be then. Stuck back in your racist little mind, in your racist little hole...at least on this forum. In your neck of the woods? Scares me to think about you...I want to say people, but that indicates humans.

Alice :mad:
 

Cal

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The fact of the matter is that any group that gets pulled into socialism sees their culture and moral fiber decline markedly. Wish you could all see our local obituaries that are full of young and middle age that have "died of natural causes", or auto accidents, and infant mortality.
 

Martin Jr.

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I can't dispute what Linda Chavez is saying. To criticize the culture that so dominates the black race is not racist. Racist is to hate them for being black.
I don't have much contact with black people now, but over 40 years ago in the army I found them to be arrogant, boisterous and filthy mouthed, at least most of them. If they want to be respected they had better clean up their act.
I remember too many mornings standing in the cold and dark chow line for breakfast and the line didn't move. It seems that one black at the door would let all his friends cut in the line ahead with no regard for anyone else.
Maybe we are cowards for not being politically correct and speaking up on this.
Call me racist if you want, but that is the truth!
 

aplusmnt

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Cal said:
The fact of the matter is that any group that gets pulled into socialism sees their culture and moral fiber decline markedly.

This is so true!!!!!! The black family during slavery and post slavery was very well known for strong family and racial ties! They were also known as hard workers once slavery ended and they were given the chance to be free and chase the American dream even though they did face an uphill battle.

It was not until socialism hit their race and so many began to rely on it instead of the hard work they were so use to. As they became more rooted in socialism programs then the family began to fall apart and rise of abandoned children began to the point we are at today.

No one can argue the facts and numbers of fatherless black children, crime and poverty. The problem is liberals believe more socialism is the answer even though that is what got them to the point they are today.

This has nothing to do with the color of their skin it has to do with the way they have faced life's hard knocks and opportunities. It is more a social issue and that is why socialism is bad.

We can see some same traits in poor white communities as well, say in TN, KY or ARK hills.

Facts are facts, even if they seem racist!
 

Mike

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alice said:
You Mike! You...are a cowardly racist! What if these two or three on this forum did not come to your rescue...where would you be then. Stuck back in your racist little mind, in your racist little hole...at least on this forum. In your neck of the woods? Scares me to think about you...I want to say people, but that indicates humans.

Alice :mad:

Great debating technique there alice. :roll:

If everyone in the political arena emulated your style.....just think of the progress we would attend. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

jcummins

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Mike said:
alice said:
You Mike! You...are a cowardly racist! What if these two or three on this forum did not come to your rescue...where would you be then. Stuck back in your racist little mind, in your racist little hole...at least on this forum. In your neck of the woods? Scares me to think about you...I want to say people, but that indicates humans.

Alice :mad:

Great debating technique there alice. :roll:

If everyone in the political arena emulated your style.....just think of the progress we would attend. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

2 or 3 on this forum.....are you EVER wrong on this. What started this thread off is RIGHT ON, and unitl....the black race comes to grip with it....people like YOU will call everyone racists.
 

badaxemoo

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Cal said:
The fact of the matter is that any group that gets pulled into socialism sees their culture and moral fiber decline markedly. Wish you could all see our local obituaries that are full of young and middle age that have "died of natural causes", or auto accidents, and infant mortality.

The Norwegians?

The Swedish?

The Danish?

All of those are social democracies.

I don't see a marked decay in their culture or moral fiber.
 

Mike

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badaxemoo said:
Cal said:
The fact of the matter is that any group that gets pulled into socialism sees their culture and moral fiber decline markedly. Wish you could all see our local obituaries that are full of young and middle age that have "died of natural causes", or auto accidents, and infant mortality.

The Norwegians?

The Swedish?

The Danish?

All of those are social democracies.

I don't see a marked decay in their culture or moral fiber.

Sweden is in the midst of the worst rape wave in Scandinavian history. Judging from numbers from neighboring countries Norway and Denmark, this is probably intimately related to recent mass immigration, especially from Muslim countries. Now, if you have a problem that you suspect may be largely caused by immigration, but you have already decided that these policies shouldn’t be questioned, what to do?

Well, you can blame it on… the weather! According to this article from Aftonbladet, with the title “Summertime — rape time”, the huge spike in rapes during the summer is caused by the nice, warm weather, which brings out all those hormones. The official number of rape charges has more than quadrupled in the space of just one generation, and Swedish women in some areas of the country are increasingly afraid to move around outdoors. If this is because of the warm weather, I suppose the Scandinavian rape wave is caused by global warming?

The ethnologist Maria Bäckman, in her study “Whiteness and gender,” has followed a group of Swedish girls in the suburb of Rinkeby. Several of them had dyed their hair to avoid sexual harassment. Being blond involves old men staring at you and boys calling you “whore.” According to author Bruce Bawer, the city of Stockholm carried out a survey of ninth-grade boys in the predominantly Muslim suburb of Rinkeby. In the last year, 17% of the boys had forced someone to have sex and 31% had hurt someone so badly that the victim required medical care. Sensational statistics — but they appear to have been published only in a daily news sheet that is distributed free on the subways. The mainstream media ignored it.

Immigrant Rape Wave in Sweden
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“It is not as wrong raping a Swedish girl as raping an Arab girl,” says Hamid. “The Swedish girl gets a lot of help afterwards, and she had probably f***ked before, anyway. But the Arab girl will have problems with her family. For her, being raped is a source of shame. It is important that she retains her virginity until she marries.” It was no coincidence that it was a Swedish girl that was gang raped in Rissne. “It is far too easy to get a Swedish whore…… girl, I mean;” says Hamid, and laughs over his own choice of words. “Many immigrant boys have Swedish girlfriends when they are teenagers. But when they get married, they get a proper woman from their own culture who has never been with a boy. That’s what I am going to do. I don’t have too much respect for Swedish girls. I guess you can say they get f***ked to pieces.”
 

Mrs.Greg

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Big Muddy rancher said:
I think some on here have the terms Racist and Realist confused.

Just because some post statistics showing cultural problems doesn't make them a racist.
When I was in school {a million yrs ago.... :roll: } we were taught how to use what we read,heard etc to help us come to our own conclusions. I'm not too sure about the racist- realist thing at all.A month ago I was at my 10 yr old nephews hockey game,he was the goalie,the other team was from Hobbema. A guy supporting my nephews team started hollering about wagon burners,blah blah blah........NOW the conclusion I can to is the man is racist...but maybe I was wrong maybe he was being a realist...hmmmm now you have me wondering :???:

Looks like my niece came to the same conclusion as I did because she went over and told him what she thought,very kindly I may add,I think when she explained my nephew,her son,was a Metis,it shut him right up.....I'll have to explain racism compared to realism to her,huh....
 

Mike

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If one cannot make blanket statements that cover an entire nation, class, or race of people.................................

Then why did Eric Holder say we are a "NATION OF COWARDS"?

Dim-witted could be best used to describe those of you that think anyone could or would include ALL PEOPLE within any race as being inferior in moral and social fiber, or at least different from my beliefs.

I'd be willing to bet with you anything I have that I have more black friends, and I do mean REAL friends........ones that I could call on for ANYTHING, than you do.

You and your sanctimonious other fellow souls that tell me how I am supposed to see those that I have lived my entire life with is, to say the least, an unfunny joke. :roll:

I've got a few neighborhoods in mind that I would love for you to stroll through one night unattended, just to see if you have the same attitude the next morning. :mad:
 

hypocritexposer

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hypocrit you say you are not a racist but if this is true, then you are dim witted because you seem to jump in and say supportive and provocative things each time Mike posts a blatantly racist thread.

I am not a racist!, I do not hate any ethnic people because of how God made them in appearance.

I do hate some things that have become acceptable and too common place in certain cultures.

And if the facts support what is said, they should be provocative. They should stimulate discussion on the reasons why those facts exist.

What is your definition of racism?

If you think I am a racist, why do you post "provocative things in a blatantly racist thread"?

Is there a breakdown in the family in some inner city black families, yes? Is this true of certain populations of white trash families too? Yes. Is it the cause of teenage pregnancy, loss of values, school truancy, YES.
 

nonothing

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Why not for once Mike....have an answer for a problem that works for both sides so niether feels they are racist or being put down because of racism....Maybe the stats are right,maybe people need help to see the path to sucess....Just because they are something does not mean the always have to be that something....
 
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