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who is to balme for the Wars

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personally I feel terrorists and rogue nations caused both wars.. but for the sake of argument on the debt crises..

Congressional votes
On September 14, 2001 bill House Joint Resolution 64 passed in the House. The totals in the House of Representatives were: 420 Ayes, 1 Nay and 10 Not Voting (the Nay was Barbara Lee - D-CA).


On September 14, 2001 Senate Joint Resolution 23 passed in the Senate by roll call vote. The totals in the Senate were: 98 Ayes, 0 Nays, 2 Present/Not Voting (Senators Larry Craig - R and Jesse Helms - R).

well that about settles if for the Afghanistan war..

now for Iraq..

Legislative History

Senate Joint Resolution 2 was approved in the United States Senate on January 12, 1991 by a vote of 52 to 47.

S.J.Res. 2 was sponsored by John Warner (R) with 34 cosponsors — 29 Republicans and 5 Democrats. (The Democrats were: Howell Heflin, Bennett Johnston, Joe Lieberman, Chuck Robb, and Richard Shelby).
Approved 52-47 at 2:44 PM EST on Saturday, January 12, 1991.
Democrats: 10-45. 10 (18%) of 56 Democratic Senators voted for the resolution: John Breaux, Richard Bryan, Al Gore, Bob Graham, Howell Heflin, Bennett Johnston, Joe Lieberman, Harry Reid, Chuck Robb, Richard Shelby
Alan Cranston was recovering from surgery and did not vote, but would have voted against the resolution.
Republicans: 42-2. Chuck Grassley and Mark Hatfield voted against the resolution.

House Joint Resolution 77 was approved in the United States House of Representatives on January 12, 1991 by a vote of 250 to 183

H.J.Res. 77 was sponsored by House Minority Leader Bob Michel (R) with 31 cosponsors — 14 Republicans and 17 Democrats (The Democrats were: Gary Ackerman, Les Aspin, Howard Berman, Dante Fascell, Tom Lantos, Greg Laughlin (R), Mel Levine, Marilyn Lloyd, Dave McCurdy, Charles Thomas McMillen, Gillespie V. Montgomery, John Murtha, Ike Skelton, Stephen J. Solarz, Charles Stenholm, Robert Torricelli, and Harold Volkmer).
Approved: 250-183 at 3:51 PM EST on Saturday, January 12, 1991.
Democrats: 86-179. 86 (32%) of 267 Democrats voted for the resolution.
Mervyn M. Dymally and Mo Udall were ill and did not vote, but would have voted against the resolution.
Republicans: 164-3. Reps. Silvio Conte, Connie Morella, Frank Riggs voted against the resolution.
Independent: 0-1. Rep. Bernie Sanders (I) voted against the resolution.
House Joint Resolution 77 was then approved by the Senate by unanimous consent.
House Joint Resolution 77 was signed by President George H. W. Bush on January 14, 1991 and became Pub.L. 102-1.

in 2002,

Of the legislation introduced by Congress in response to President Bush's requests,[6] S.J.Res. 45 sponsored by Sen. Daschle & Sen. Lott was based on the original White House proposal authorizing the use of force in Iraq, H.J.Res. 114 sponsored by Rep. Hastert & Rep. Gephardt and the substantially similar S.J.Res. 46 sponsored by Sen. Lieberman were modified proposals. H.J.Res. 110 sponsored by Rep. Hastings was a separate proposal never considered on the floor. Eventually, the Hastert-Gephardt proposal became the legislation Congress focused on.

Introduced in Congress on October 2, 2002, in conjunction with the Administration's proposals,[2][7] H.J.Res. 114 passed the House of Representatives on Thursday afternoon at 3:05 p.m. EDT on October 10, 2002, by a vote of 296-133,[8] and passed the Senate after midnight early Friday morning, at 12:50 a.m. EDT on October 11, 2002, by a vote of 77-23.[9] It was signed into law as Pub.L. 107-243 by President Bush on October 16, 2002.

Well it looks as if we couldn't have done it with out both sides voting.
there were a few republican hold outs both times and a majority of democrats voted against it..

now on to the gadaffy/libya war..

again while I would like to see gadaffy brought to justice, this one so far has been a one man show,.. unless you count a non binding panels vote. ..

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted Tuesday to back President Obama’s deployment of U.S. forces to Libya in a strong bipartisan vote that delivered a critical boost to a White House that has found itself under assault from Capitol Hill.

Sen. John F. Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat and chairman of the committee, who led the effort to pass a resolution that would, he said, give “a clear and specific authorization” for what U.S. troops can and cannot do in Libya.

Four Republicans joined all 10 committee Democrats in voting to back the president. The resolution now goes to the full Senate

the Senate is on a collision course with the House, which last week rejected a similar resolution on an overwhelming 295-123 vote, suggesting the lower chamber is in no mood to authorize the conflict that has now extended past the 100-day mark and has precipitated a constitutional dust-up.

The joint resolution was favored by the White House and was originally written by Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and John Kerry (D-Mass.). (Seventy Democrats joined with 225 Republicans in voting against the resolution in the House. Eight Republicans and 115 Democrats voted in favor of the bill.)

well that one is clearly leaning towards the democrats.. (just as the Iraq involvement leans towards the republicans )

to really blame one party over the other for our war costs is also in my opinion unfair and misguided..

as either party could have stopped it,

and most of the waste was authorized in the same manner..

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