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loomixguy

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"Patriotism means standing by the country, not standing by the President".

This should be a lock for the self appointed expert on white supremicists, anarchists, Aryan Nations, KKK'rs, rightwingernuts, and conservatives in general. No peeking now!
 
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loomixguy said:
"Patriotism means standing by the country, not standing by the President".

This should be a lock for the self appointed expert on white supremicists, anarchists, Aryan Nations, KKK'rs, rightwingernuts, and conservatives in general. No peeking now!

Simple Teddy Roosevelt...

For the history buffs- Ken Burns has an 8 day series going now on the NPR channel about the Roosevelt family... I've only had a chance to watch a little- but am recording it...From what I've seen so far- Teddy goes up even higher in my book for putting country ahead of his own personal wealth/gains, political party's, millionaire/billionaires and lobbyists trying to buy government like is done so much today....

I can see why the RIPON Society is founded on many of old Teddy's beliefs and have him as their symbol for a group who's goal is "to revive the Grand Old Party's commitment to inclusion and reform"....

Teddy and their other idol, Ike didn't go swearing oaths to folks named Grover and putting it above their oath to the country -- nor did they spend all their time just saying NO- by which they moved the country forward...
Progress instead of Regress!
 

loomixguy

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You claim Teddy as a personal hero, yet your words would lead us to believe that you stand by the Great Pretender rather than the country.
 

Mike

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T.R. was everything OT doesn't like:

1- He was born to an enormously wealthy family. Tried ranching but couldn't make a go of it without the family fortune. He never HAD to earn himself a living.

2- He wanted to exert American Power across the globe. Wars. In fact he claimed "the Spanish American war was fine, there just wasn't enough of it".

3- He was a devout Christian.

4- His connections to wealth, thus power, got him every Political Appointment he ever wanted.

5- As President, he pushed executive powers to new limits.

6- He was the consummate "BureauCrat".
 
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Anonymous

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Why none of the Roosevelts could be president today


By Alyssa Rosenberg September 15 


Last month, inspired by his visit to Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s home at Hyde Park in New York, Washington Post Editorial Page Editor Fred Hiatt pondered whether FDR could have been elected today. The same question has occurred to Ken Burns and Geoffrey Wards, whose look at the lives of Theodore, Eleanor and Franklin Roosevelt began airing on PBS last night and will continue through Saturday evening.

“I think we know too much about people these days. My view, at least with FDR, is I don’t think we would elect him now because of his handicap,” Ward told me when we spoke in July at the Television Critics Association press tour. “They would compete to see who could find him the most pitifully helpless, in footage, and put it on the nightly news.”

Burns agreed with him. “TR is too hot for TV,” he said. “Eleanor, there would be all the issues that women are unfairly saddled with, attractiveness and whatever suitability for national office. I”m afraid that none of them, along with Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln, couldn’t get out of Iowa.”


It is one thing to decry a newly invasive media culture, or the fact that we still demand female politicians meet standards of attractiveness that have nothing to do with the functioning their jobs. But “The Roosevelts” ought to encourage us to think more broadly about what we deny ourselves when we narrow the path that can lead people to public office at any level.

Today, the Roosevelts’ wealth and the fact that they inherited it might have rendered all three of these remarkable people suspicious to the electorate.

“Though they had before them, in the examples around them, and within their own family, of the ability to spend their lives in leisure, they instead dedicated it to public service and really spent themselves doing that,” Burns suggested. “Because they had wealth and inherited this sense of obligation, we don’t see that anymore. We think we can buy elections rather than inhabit them.”

But Ward thinks that it was precisely that experience of growing up in great comfort that made Theodore, Franklin and Eleanor less awed by (and less dependent on) monied interests.

“They weren’t impressed by money. … They didn’t think that people who made money were any better than anybody else. … They had none of those views,” he told me. “It’s not an accident that FDR’s classmates hated them. He knew them. He sort of tried to be one of the inner circle. But later in his life, I think he really thought they were very limited in their view.”

The family’s tendency toward depression might also have been treated as if it were disqualifying, “Particularly for TR and Eleanor,” Burns said. “They come from the branch where there’s alcoholism and there’s madness and there’s insanity.” These were not fleeting sadnesses — Theodore described his with the operatic term “Black Care.”

But this tendency towards depression spurred an incredible work ethic in Theodore and Eleanor and pushed them towards new experiences and a broader sense of the world, which informed their public service. Theodore went West to become — in keeping with his family money — a rancher rather than a cowpoke and discovered a new sense of self-reliance and physical power. Eleanor traveled constantly as Franklin’s eyes and ears, wrote a syndicated newspaper column and even answered her own correspondence. Ward recalled writing her a letter as a child and getting back a handwritten response.

Without the constraints of contemporary politics, all three Roosevelts were freer to be themselves, and, Burns suggested, to make more authentic connections with voters.


“Politics is a dirty word today, but it’s a knee-jerk dirty word. Politics is the way things work, and they were interested in the way things work, and part of that is getting to know all the different people,” he mused. “Here you had TR, who spoke with a Harvard kind of accent, four eyes, a rather rotund figure, and people loved him because he was himself. … That was true of Franklin Roosevelt. He certainly didn’t look like anyone you knew who was suffering through the Depression.”

But those looks were not determinative. In a story about Franklin Roosevelt that has attained the status of a folktale, a man in Washington breaks down on the street when FDR’s casket passes him by. One of his fellow mourners asks if he knew the late president. “No,” the stricken man says, “but he knew me.”

In refusing to let politicians be human, we have denied ourselves the opportunity to be seen and to be treated the same way.
 

Steve

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yep,.. no real statesmen will ever be elected again,.. just flowery super celebrities..

all because we have idiots that are easily swayed by easy slogans,..
 

Whitewing

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Steve said:
yep,.. no real statesmen will ever be elected again,.. just flowery super celebrities..

all because we have idiots that are easily swayed by easy slogans,..

Hope & Change :lol:

OT, LittleJoe, Kola, Alice, Reader2, and many others.

Hook, line, and sinker.
 
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