OT- my way to deal with it would be to tell the consumer that we are following the science that has been proven today to protect them to the best of our ability. You wouldn't want the consumer to think that it jumps species, without being proven. Statements that they get it from "licking grass" doesn't sound too scientific to me! Oh, and while you're labeling your beef, don't forget to let the consumer know that the US has more cases of CWD, than any other in the world!
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OT- my way to deal with it would be to tell the consumer that we are following the science that has been proven today to protect them to the best of our ability. You wouldn't want the consumer to think that it jumps species, without being proven. Statements that they get it from "licking grass" doesn't sound too scientific to me! Oh, and while you're labeling your beef, don't forget to let the consumer know that the US has more cases of CWD, than any other in the world!
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Murgen said:
And whose science would that be?-- packers, AMI's, USDA's, FDAs, CFIA's, Japs, R-CALFs, Brits,- None of these groups can agree on what is best to protect people and the industry from BSE---FDA says ban everything, including blood products and chicken litter- packers and USDA say that we don't have to worry about that--Brits have not been slaughtering anything over 30 months-- Who is right? Should science follow the Purdey theory, or the Prusiner theory, or one of the other 98 out there?-- Does that include the new inexplainable findings that goats can get BSE? Or that under 30 months have tested positive?
Thats the entire problem-- Everything is still unknown - There is no science except the science of theory and guesswork...Huge grey area of unknowns--- and each special interest group bends that science to whichever way best fits them...
Easiest answer is to require that all beef coming out of Canada be labeled "Product of Canada" and let each individual consumer do their own research and make their own decisions......
OT, I see you mentioned all other groups other than R-calf, what science are they following at this point. Read my signature, Science changes as more is discovered, but it's not good to base your science on 1990's science or else you might just be setting your self up for saying beef is totally unsafe in the future, isn't that what R-calf is doing, waiting for future science?
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Murgen said:
"And whose science would that be?-- packers, AMI's, USDA's, FDAs, CFIA's, Japs, R-CALFs, Brits,- "
I mentioned R-CALF...
Reader, I hope you don't think that I believe in misrepresenting a product in the name of consumer confidence. What I do believe in, is doing a risk assesment of lying to the public and being straight forward about any risks involved. By having a long term strategy about PR, and letting the consumer know about "today's" science you will be far better off than lying now and trying to cover tracks at a later date.
Everybody involved with this whole mess has been guilty of speaking for today and not for tomorrow. But the most guilty of this is R-calf. Forward thinking is not in their action plan what so ever.
It seems their only plan is to take advatage of the situation now and deal with consequences later.
Tam and others, have been accused of saying that "they wish the US would find a case", that's not the point of our posts. The point is that unlike today, R-calf is hurting the demand for Canadian product, it might even be worse for US and Canadian product(beef in General) if they get their message across to the consumer world wide. That is where the real damage will be done.
In the UK, beef demand is slowly increasing again, because they are expressing "one voice" "BEEF is safe due to safeguards in place" But here in North America we are saying, 'Safeuards don't work, better not eat beef" for proof of this look at how the Japanese are stalling.
If the "true science" isn't available yet, why would they take anybody else's beef.
But, I guess that doesn't matter, fill your own pockets, forget about other beef producers and your Children's economic future of producing safe beef!
Everybody involved with this whole mess has been guilty of speaking for today and not for tomorrow. But the most guilty of this is R-calf. Forward thinking is not in their action plan what so ever.
It seems their only plan is to take advatage of the situation now and deal with consequences later.
Tam and others, have been accused of saying that "they wish the US would find a case", that's not the point of our posts. The point is that unlike today, R-calf is hurting the demand for Canadian product, it might even be worse for US and Canadian product(beef in General) if they get their message across to the consumer world wide. That is where the real damage will be done.
In the UK, beef demand is slowly increasing again, because they are expressing "one voice" "BEEF is safe due to safeguards in place" But here in North America we are saying, 'Safeuards don't work, better not eat beef" for proof of this look at how the Japanese are stalling.
If the "true science" isn't available yet, why would they take anybody else's beef.
But, I guess that doesn't matter, fill your own pockets, forget about other beef producers and your Children's economic future of producing safe beef!
Reader, I don't know that NCBA used any Public Relations agency. What did they say that you believe was not factual? What was the "propaganda" you refer to? Did you ever see anything from that organization saying "there was no problem"?
How could what NCBA did to reassure consumers be considered a failure when their loyalty to beef did not drop because of the Dec. 23 BSE incident?
NCBA from the first knowledge of BSE has been to learn all possible about it, to protect our cattle and consumers to the best of our ability. We always have urged government to use the best available science and do what is necessary to stop the incidences of BSE. We also urged the increased testing of the most likely suspect cattle that began months ago and continues today. If more efforts were known to be helpful, we would be promoting them. No rancher with even half a brain wants this disease to be concealed and ignored. That said, I do have to admit there are ranchers who act as though they do not have half a brain!
MRJ
How could what NCBA did to reassure consumers be considered a failure when their loyalty to beef did not drop because of the Dec. 23 BSE incident?
NCBA from the first knowledge of BSE has been to learn all possible about it, to protect our cattle and consumers to the best of our ability. We always have urged government to use the best available science and do what is necessary to stop the incidences of BSE. We also urged the increased testing of the most likely suspect cattle that began months ago and continues today. If more efforts were known to be helpful, we would be promoting them. No rancher with even half a brain wants this disease to be concealed and ignored. That said, I do have to admit there are ranchers who act as though they do not have half a brain!
MRJ
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OT,
Do you support R-CALF's statement regarding not marketing beef from OTM cattle in the event that BSE is discovered here?
I see you immediately divert to NCBA when R-CULT made the stupid statement AGAIN.
~SH~
Do you support R-CALF's statement regarding not marketing beef from OTM cattle in the event that BSE is discovered here?
I see you immediately divert to NCBA when R-CULT made the stupid statement AGAIN.
~SH~
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~SH~ said:
What happened to this? Surely you would not be selective on your judging?
SH, "Before I would judge that statement, I would ask for specifics.
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Sandhusker: "What happened to this? Surely you would not be selective on your judging?"
Quote: "This "leading cattle expert" stated, and was quoted in the press, that "If there is a positive case again in the US, we as a beef producing nation, shouldn't market beef in cattle older that 20 months."
What's not to understand?
Must suck to be an R-CULT follower and have to defend or divert from so many stupid statements.
I'm glad I'm not you Sandhusker!
~SH~
Quote: "This "leading cattle expert" stated, and was quoted in the press, that "If there is a positive case again in the US, we as a beef producing nation, shouldn't market beef in cattle older that 20 months."
What's not to understand?
Must suck to be an R-CULT follower and have to defend or divert from so many stupid statements.
I'm glad I'm not you Sandhusker!
~SH~
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~SH~ said:
~SH~ "IF" he said that- then I don't agree with him-- I've always felt and I think R-CALF's policy has been that if it is found in the US herd we should test all until we find the extent of the disease and until we have eliminated it...Since the tests have never found any cattle under 20 months to test positive, it seems only logical to only test over 20 month cattle.......
R-CALF has asked that Canada do the same- prove the extent of the disease and prove when it has been eradicated.......
OT,
I have read those exact words from many different papers, magazines, on the radio. How can anyone say that we have to get rid of our cull cows by incineration, bury them or what ever. This guy is a looney, give up a third of my income, are you kidding? Have any of you R-calfers ever talked to these people one on one? They don't have a clue. I'll shut up now and go back to the coffee shop, you guys are rehashing the same crap again. :lol:
I have read those exact words from many different papers, magazines, on the radio. How can anyone say that we have to get rid of our cull cows by incineration, bury them or what ever. This guy is a looney, give up a third of my income, are you kidding? Have any of you R-calfers ever talked to these people one on one? They don't have a clue. I'll shut up now and go back to the coffee shop, you guys are rehashing the same crap again. :lol:
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sw said:
sw- One person does not set the policy of the whole R-CALF group-- You're just to used to the old NCBA practices.. :lol: Besides the Canadians have said that culls don't count for income-- What did Murgen say- Canadians only cull 2-5%..... :???:
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sw said:
I saw the article...
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Here, we have so much controversy. Why can't you R-Calfers (and MCA) come to an NCBA or CBB board of directors meeting?? To hear about how the money is spent?? I'm speaking of the checkoff dollars, and I think they have been spent well. Who hasn't heard, "BEEF, It's What's For Dinner"???
When I am in a checkoff booth, and when someone comes up to me and puts his face in my face and says his money is best spent with R-Calf, "just because", I have a hard time listening to them. I know absolutely they don't want to hear from us (most of them stay away, only the idiots have the courage to come into the booth and TRY to start a fight.) The idiots have NO CLUE what they are talking about and it angers me they won't listen. So there. You guys arguing all the time in Bull Sessssssssssssion (would like to call it something else) are wasting your breath. Those on the north side of the border think their own, those in R-Calf think their own, those of us who would like to think of ourselves as "informed" think our own. We are so independent, yet so vulnerable. How can we all make this work!!???
When I am in a checkoff booth, and when someone comes up to me and puts his face in my face and says his money is best spent with R-Calf, "just because", I have a hard time listening to them. I know absolutely they don't want to hear from us (most of them stay away, only the idiots have the courage to come into the booth and TRY to start a fight.) The idiots have NO CLUE what they are talking about and it angers me they won't listen. So there. You guys arguing all the time in Bull Sessssssssssssion (would like to call it something else) are wasting your breath. Those on the north side of the border think their own, those in R-Calf think their own, those of us who would like to think of ourselves as "informed" think our own. We are so independent, yet so vulnerable. How can we all make this work!!???
Reader 2, you said "I expect that NCBA did not rush to urge that we adopt the measures adopted by the EU on SRMs or testing".
I am not certain of the comparisons between what EU does and what USDA does about BSE.
I AM certain that NCBA called for proper actions dictated by the best available science as suggested or required by the OIE, given the rate of BSE incidence at the time, for Canada and the USA.
Whether you choose to believe that or you don't will not alter those facts.
From the time we first heard the of BSE in Great Brittain in the '90s and realized it could become a threat to our cow herd, NCBA leaders and staff have worked to prepare for day it emerged on the North American Continent. The best available science on the disease was studied, and plans were made, government agencies involved were asked for their assistance, and encouraged to prepare for the worst case scenario in order for the diminish the possible threat to our industry and our consumers (our families are consumers, too , which is sometimes forgotten by those blaming us for problems of food safety).
Few people outside NCBA understand, acknowledge, or appreciate the work done by that organization and the value it has had in the outcome to date of the BSE problem on this continent. While it wasn't undertaken for possible praise, but to protect our industry, it would be great if people would at least check the facts before attacking NCBA on the BSE issue.
MRJ
I am not certain of the comparisons between what EU does and what USDA does about BSE.
I AM certain that NCBA called for proper actions dictated by the best available science as suggested or required by the OIE, given the rate of BSE incidence at the time, for Canada and the USA.
Whether you choose to believe that or you don't will not alter those facts.
From the time we first heard the of BSE in Great Brittain in the '90s and realized it could become a threat to our cow herd, NCBA leaders and staff have worked to prepare for day it emerged on the North American Continent. The best available science on the disease was studied, and plans were made, government agencies involved were asked for their assistance, and encouraged to prepare for the worst case scenario in order for the diminish the possible threat to our industry and our consumers (our families are consumers, too , which is sometimes forgotten by those blaming us for problems of food safety).
Few people outside NCBA understand, acknowledge, or appreciate the work done by that organization and the value it has had in the outcome to date of the BSE problem on this continent. While it wasn't undertaken for possible praise, but to protect our industry, it would be great if people would at least check the facts before attacking NCBA on the BSE issue.
MRJ