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Who's Your Hero?

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When we ask kids theses days who their heroes are, too many times we hear the name of some overpaid athlete...or worse. I think we can all agree that this is a real hero...



Navy SEAL's final selfless act
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

October 15, 2006

CORONADO, Calif. - A Navy SEAL sacrificed his life to save his comrades by throwing himself on top of a grenade Iraqi insurgents tossed into their sniper hideout, fellow members of the elite force said.

Petty Officer 2nd Class Michael A. Monsoor had been near the only door to the rooftop structure Sept. 29 when the grenade hit him in the chest and bounced to the floor, said four SEALs who spoke to The Associated Press last week on condition of anonymity because their work requires their identities to remain secret.

"He never took his eye off the grenade. His only movement was down toward it," said a 28-year-old lieutenant who sustained shrapnel wounds to both legs that day. "He undoubtedly saved mine and the other SEALs' lives, and we owe him."

Monsoor, 25, was killed in the explosion in Ramadi, west of Baghdad. He was only the second SEAL to die in Iraq since the war began.

Two SEALs next to Monsoor were injured; another who was 10 to 15 feet from the blast was unhurt. The four had been working with Iraqi soldiers providing sniper security while U.S. and Iraqi forces conducted missions in the area.

In an interview at the SEALs' West Coast headquarters in Coronado, four members of the special force remembered "Mikey" as a loyal friend and a quiet, dedicated professional.

"He was just a fun-loving guy," said a 26-year-old petty officer 2nd class who went through SEAL training with Monsoor. "Always got something funny to say, always got a little mischievous look on his face."



Copyright 2006 Newsday Inc.
 

RoperAB

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Would massive carpet bombing put an end to stories like this? Example Withdraw the troops from an area and then just bomb the hell out of the locals.
You know thats how the British used to keep them in line in persia a hundred years ago.
You think thats drastic but here is a question for you. With so many tied up in Iraq what would happen if North Korea decides to invade the South? Right now I dont think we could stop it.
But would this free up troops in Iraq? Do any of you know how many are needed to keep Iran out? Im thinking with less local Iraqies the safer it would be for the allied soldiers in Iraq and the less that would be need to battle the Iranians?
I know there are Vets on here. What are your thoughts?
What needs to be done?
 

Red Robin

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X thanks for posting this. I read it yesterday and am grateful we still have people like this in America, men that pay the ultimate price for freedom and their fellow man. The family of this man can hold their head high. I'm proud of our troops!
 

Red Robin

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Faster horses said:
I'm proud of them too. It's just too bad we are losing these good boys.
I'm wondering if it isn't time to start bombing.
I have a cousin FH who just returned. He was a career marine and retired. He started a new profession as a mortician. He reenlisted for Iraq. He just returned and I talked to him yesterday. I asked if he was glad to be home. He said in a way , no. He felt like the mission was important and he was glad to serve his country. While talking we discussed bombing the country into submission (which I was for). He said if we did that would be unAmerican. We don't fight wars that way. He said what we needed was support from the media (I kid you not) . He said they portray us as evil when it's a great service we are doing to the country of Iraq. He said the Iraqui commanders cried just like the American ones when they came to get the body of their troops. He said it'll work over there , given time. He said the Iraqui millitary were just as passionate about changing their country to one of freedom as the Americans were.
 

Red Robin

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reader (the Second) said:
By the way folks, for those of you who like to talk about ragheads, Michael Mansour is from an Arab family. Mansour is a well known name, probably Syrian or Lebanese. I assume Christian but not necessarily. He may even have been in the Seals because he knew Arabic...
Your unstated innuendo that if you're of an Arabic nationality you are less of a man is ridiculous. Are you saying that we are so prejudice against these RAG HEADS that we're fighting against that we hate all Arabic people ??? That's not true R2. You're just trying to be inflammatory on a thread that otherwise wasn't. Get in touch with the rest of the nation. It's the Muslim aggression against the rest of the world we , or at least I am against. We're over there trying to liberate a nation that is obviously Arabic. I just got through posting a thread which shed some Arabic people in a positive light. I looked at a picture of Michael Mansour , our stated hero, and he is not Arabic. If he was , he would still be a hero of mine! ANY man that fights and dies for the United States of America is a hero of mine but especially if he jumps on a grenade to save his companions...good grief R2 , use some perception. Could it be that you were really trying to divert the attention we were paying to a hero in another direction, one that paints red blooded Americans as prejudice and evil?????
 

Red Robin

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reader (the Second) said:
Red Robin said:
reader (the Second) said:
By the way folks, for those of you who like to talk about ragheads, Michael Mansour is from an Arab family. Mansour is a well known name, probably Syrian or Lebanese. I assume Christian but not necessarily. He may even have been in the Seals because he knew Arabic...
Your unstated innuendo that if you're of an Arabic nationality you are less of a man is ridiculous. Are you saying that we are so prejudice against these RAG HEADS that we're fighting against that we hate all Arabic people ??? That's not true R2. You're just trying to be inflammatory on a thread that otherwise wasn't. Get in touch with the rest of the nation. It's the Muslim aggression against the rest of the world we , or at least I am against. We're over there trying to liberate a nation that is obviously Arabic. I just got through posting a thread which shed some Arabic people in a positive light. I looked at a picture of Michael Mansour , our stated hero, and he is not Arabic. If he was , he would still be a hero of mine! ANY man that fights and dies for the United States of America is a hero of mine but especially if he jumps on a grenade to save his companions...good grief R2 , use some perception. Could it be that you were really trying to divert the attention we were paying to a hero in another direction, one that paints red blooded Americans as prejudice and evil?????

My point is that when you stereotype Arabs with a term like "raghead" you are including millions of good people like Mikey Monsoor.
You are the one trying to sterotype him. We have a clear vision of what a raghead is here in middle America and he doesn't fit!
 

RoperAB

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Well I dont understand how carpet bombing is unAmerican?
Remember WW2? The best example is Hamburg Germany or the nukes on Japan. But civillians have always been the target of airpower on all sides in every war ever since there ever was airpower. Its the quickest way to end a war. Well sometimes. The Germans tried but Churchill used it to pull the people together. I guess the key is to just do it really well and not to hold anything back. The Germans could never because of different things do a really good job of bombing London during the war but bombing was key to defeating the Axis powers in WW2.
Im just trying to remember but I think it was actually the Kaiser in WW1 that used it first to target civillians. The British didnt denouce it because they knew they were going to do the same.
The British used carpet bombings of civillian targets to control Persia after they took it from the turks. This was very succesful for them and it saved a lot of Brit lives.
Anyway officially no one will want to admit it but the US has never been any different than anybody else as far as pre 1975 bombing civillians.
The thing is if this was done in Iraq is it going to broaden the war? I say bomb hell out of the first turncoat country.
We should be building more B52s!
Anyway im no military expert so I guess I have to trust that they know what they are doing. I just hope our good men are not getting sacrificed to save a bunch of so called civilians over there that pick up a gun or bomb whenever they see a chance to pick off a few of our guys. Dont forget Falujah!!!
 

IL Rancher

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Oh even in WWII for the most part we were into surgical strikes... That is why the yanks flew daytime missions so we would hit our targets while the brits didn't like those daytime runs because they lost to many planes so they flew night runs... But yes, the firebombing oin Germany was something special as were the nukes and you can't say we didn't do it because we did.... But at the same time they chose to nuke cities that were not the population centers.. Had to be big enough to have some affect but they stay away from Tokyo...


Things have changed a bit for better or worse... I wouldn't doubt that all those great photos from Gulf War I with the videos of all the "perfecr hits" did much damage to ever carpet bombing again.. After all if all it takes is one bomb to get the target why do you need more
:roll: :wink:
 

RoperAB

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IL Rancher said:
Oh even in WWII for the most part we were into surgical strikes... That is why the yanks flew daytime missions so we would hit our targets while the brits didn't like those daytime runs because they lost to many planes so they flew night runs... But yes, the firebombing oin Germany was something special as were the nukes and you can't say we didn't do it because we did.... But at the same time they chose to nuke cities that were not the population centers.. Had to be big enough to have some affect but they stay away from Tokyo...


Things have changed a bit for better or worse... I wouldn't doubt that all those great photos from Gulf War I with the videos of all the "perfecr hits" did much damage to ever carpet bombing again.. After all if all it takes is one bomb to get the target why do you need more
:roll: :wink:

Yes you flew daytime even when we told you not to and you got shot down for it and had to change to nightime runs. All this meant was that you had to drop flares first so that the bombers could see to bomb civilians.
Look this is something that I know about. Its always been about civillians. The object was to create a big enough fire that the fire creates its own weather pattern and feeds itself. If you can create the perfect storm you kill the people who are even in the underground bomb shelters. You melt them/ take away the oxygen. People dont get burnt to death they suffocate. Or if they touch metal they stick to it. If they try to run on the paved streets they sink and melt into the ashfalt. There is no putting out these firestorms. You dont need a nuke to do this. This is what Hitler tried to do to London but the weather prevented it. He came darn close but all the bombers<I think the third wave couldnt make it in time>.
When we bombed Hamburg it was deliberate/not a fluke, to create a perfect storm.

Look this is nasty stuff but here is the deal. Whats better? American civillians dieing at home<think 9/11> or having our ground soldiers killed everyday or JIhad fanatics dieing?
 

RoperAB

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Red Robin said:
The difference is Roper we aren't fighting a country.

Well I used to think that way to. Now I dont. Really I think we are fighting several countries.
Even in Afghanistan it seems like the majority of the locals dont like us. Its like they are waiting for the money that was promissed and they figgure we will soon be gone anyway. They are on side with whoever pays them the most. They dont care if its from drug lords, taliban or us. I still think its a temporary allience. Then to others its a jihad holy war and they are always going to be against us.
In Iraq it appears to be worse.
But this doesnt seem to be limited to just those two countries. Seems like to most of them its a jihad holy war against us infidels. Then you have the cold war enemies.
Some of our traditional allies are scared of the enemy within. Look at Holland, Belgium, Germany and France. Even the Brits are scared to a lesser extent.
Anyway im getting the impression that all muslims are against us over there.
Im getting the impression that it is a holy war with us against all muslims.
The only muslims that seem to tolerate us are the ones that we have bought off. This isnt true friendship no more than buying a prostitutes love.
 

mrj

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We in the western world are at such a disadvantage in this war!

It seems we tend to believe in the inherent goodness of man and that all who claim to love God are of similar "all people are created equal in the eyes of the Lord" mindset.

We must understand that Muslim extremists are not fighting us because we brought it upon ourselves with our obscene 'entertainment' industries, nor anything else excepting our FREEDOM to do and live as we choose, individually, and pay the consequences as individuals

Until Muslims who do not believe the extremist Mullahs are wrong (if there are any) step up and say "enough" and work with our governments....

Until liberals and GWB hating extremists and our media stop the feeding frenzy of dissension in this country to those Muslim extremists.......

Until people realize this war was brought to us and is not going to end until either we prevail, or we agree to live under Muslim extremist law......

Until people realize our leaders did NOT enter this war for oil, profffiteering, nor any other reason except to prevent the establishment of a huge extremist Muslim super-state controlling most of the oil supply for ALL nations in order to force us ALL into the Muslim religion......

It is going to be extremely difficult for our troops and our leaders to protect us from this ongoing, multi-front war.

We had better realize it is possible we will not win and be willing to face the consequences of the loss of our freedoms and our lives!

MRJ
 

Faster horses

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Very good post, IMO, MRJ. You nailed it.

Very scary to think of what might lie ahead.
The only thing between us and terrorism is our military.
Americans need to think about not what they are voting AGAINST
but more what they are voting FOR.


God bless our troops!!!
 

Cal

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We had better realize it is possible we will not win and be willing to face the consequences of the loss of our freedoms and our lives!

MRJ

Yet the libs recommend taking actions that will more likely bring this outcome to pass.
 

mrj

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Cal said:
We had better realize it is possible we will not win and be willing to face the consequences of the loss of our freedoms and our lives!

MRJ

Yet the libs recommend taking actions that will more likely bring this outcome to pass.

I agree, Cal. It is just sickening to watch CNN, which is not often, C-SPAN or anything else where liberals certainly are giving 'aid and comfort', whether intentionally or from ignorance, to these enemies of freedom!

Certainly the leaders of terrorists have access to information worldwide and are eager to use it against us.

Electing people who still will not even admit the possibility of a jihad against people not only in the USA, but in the free world in general, simply because we are free people worshipping, or not worshipping, whom and as we choose, will probably end in more tragedy for us and other innocent people.

MRJ
 

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