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Why...do environmentalists target agriculture and ranching

Cal

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A review of Alan Caruba's new book Right Answers

Eco-Lunacy

"Why, then do environmentalists target agriculture and ranching, so necessary to feed a huge worldwide population? Why have the Greens succeeded in banning many of the pesticides that protect crops against the many insects that attack them or herbicides that protect crops against weeds that can destroy them? Why would Greens want DDT banned when there is no proof it poses a health threat and indeed could protect the millions who die every year from malaria for the lack of it? Why is the use of nuclear power for the generation of electricity opposed by the Greens? Why is the construction of much-needed new refineries opposed? Why is the extraction of oil from a tiny section of Alaska opposed? The answer to these questions is that both the environmental and the animal rights movements are essentially opposed to the existence of the human population of Earth. Whatever may contribute to diminishing that population is encouraged. Whatever may contribute to ending famine or the diseases that kill people is discouraged."

"Indeed the story of the environmental movement is about the steady degradation of the American economy and other nations around the world. It is an attack on capitalism designed to thwart production of beneficial chemicals and pharmaceuticals, transportation, and every other element of the economy."

"ALF and ELF are terrorists, no less than al Qaeda or any other organization that uses violence. In 2003, the groups claimed responsibility for 75 actions, striking against fur farms, logging operations, forest Service facilities, slaughterhouses, and other targets throughout northwestern states. With few arrests, they are becoming more and more emboldened."

"Viewed from where we are today, fuel cells and a hydrogen fueling infrastructure are a chicken and egg problem. We cannot have large numbers of fuel cell vehicles without adequate fuel available to support them, but we will not be able to create the required infrastructure unless there are significant numbers of fuel cell vehicles on the roadways. At the moment fuel cells are actually energy losers since it costs more to free the hydrogen than is earned by running hydrogen through fuel cells. I have often thought that this hydrogen economy seems intuitively flawed; using energy to make hydrogen to then be used as an energy source. Intuitively, it feels like the Escher painting with the water flowing uphill."

"If you add up all the mercury released from coal combustion and compare it to the global sources, the current analytical and statistical techniques and technologies probably will not be able to detect any reduction of the global mercury pool in the environment."

"Other than the idiotic notion of wind powered electricity which would require covering every square mile of the US with giant windmills to generate only a small percentage of what coal-operated utilities currently produce, Greens have never found any source of energy they really like. Some groups are actively trying to remove dams used to produce hydroelectricity and what is cleaner than water power?"

"The greatest waste of energy is to fail to use those resources within our own national borders. This is a deliberate effort to deny Americans access to their own energy, and it is what environmentalism and Democrats are all about."

Immigration

No one understands the immigration problem better or more objectively than Caruba. While being a strong supporter of our Latino population, he accurately criticizes the Bush Administration for echoing so many of the UN-generated globalist policies which ignore the unrecognized threat of our 1,700 mile open border to allow a significant build-up of Moslem terrorists in our midst.

"There are a lot of reasons advanced to explain why the Bush administration will do nothing to stop the flow of illegals across our southern border, the vast bulk of whom are Mexicans, but the one I had not heard until I received the email was that Mexico would collapse without the money sent back by the Mexicans, legal and illegal, among us. When you look at the economic data, it is the one explanation that begins to make sense."

Education

"There was a time when local school boards were in charge of local schools. Those days are long gone. Today the teacher's unions control all aspects of education in America and they dominate the Department of Education. They are considered a keystone of the Democratic Party and acknowledged by all as extremely liberal. As such, they have worked hard to deconstruct the former system of education that produced well educated students up to the years of the 1950s and replaced it with a system that now produces children deliberately rendered ignorant of the basic skills, of history, of civics, of geography, et cetera. Add to this, the massive infusion of lies about the earth's environment throughout the entire curriculum."

"Would it be that we could 'tweak' the entire education system in America and make it work again. The reality, however, is that the thing is broken. It doesn't work. Year after year, children pass through it from kindergarten to twelfth grade, too frequently emerging into the world full of the leftist and environmental nonsense of no value to anyone but the puppet masters who have crafted programs designed to make them docile, easily manipulated little citizens of the world."

Understanding Islam

We are all besieged by editorial after editorial trying to explain the problems in the Arab world. After you read "Can Islam Reform Itself," you will quickly understand the problem, and need to read little more.

"Those candidates who have berated President Bush for having lied us into the war in Iraq miss the essential reason for our liberation of the nation. We are projecting our power to threaten any nation that harbors the jihadists. It is a matter of national survival."

"The notion that millions of Muslims are bent on killing us for being infidels is beyond our imagination. The fact that this is preached in thousands of mosques is ever more bizarre and frightening."

"A society that thrives on conspiracy theories is indifferent to our instinctive wish to resolve conflict."

"If we look at the source of Arab wealth, we find nothing that the Arabs created for themselves."

"As this new century begins to take shape, we confront an enemy for whom death not only holds no fear, but is embraced."

"Last year nearly two-thirds of global foreign direct investment was in East Asia, but only three percent in the Middle East. The contrast between the economic model of the Far East in which nations like Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan lifted themselves up from the ashes of World War II stands in stark contrast to the abject failure of the Middle East."

"The combined GDP of all 22 nations of the Arab Middle East, totaling $530 billion, is less than the gross domestic product of Spain alone.

You're going to love this book. You have my word on it.

Right Answers is available on Amazon.com.
 

Cal

Well-known member
Jinglebob said:
Call we need to get all these things you posted here, out to the public. How do we do it? :???:
I'm going to try and read it during our vacation next month, I'll let you know how the rest of it is first.
 

Cal

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Southdakotahunter said:
there are definatly some truths to this piece, but also alot of Bull Sh1t. The author is an extremist himself.
Do you have time to point out and correct the bullsht for us?
 

Southdakotahunter

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Sure Cal....first off i think we are better off without some of the nasty chemicals used in the past. I also think we need to look at all ways of creating energy. I have no probs with coal, just know it can be cleaner, also have no prob with nuclear..........as long as its done safe. Wind power is an option. It helps anyway. Hydrogen.......have to start somewhere right? Eventually our oil supplys will run out......better start now.

Education....how can anyone say education was better back when... NO WAY.....my kid is in 5th grade and already doing algebra.........i dont think i saw that until 9th.......
 

RoperAB

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The proof about DDT is all around us. Our Falcons were almost extinct in western Canada because of DDT. Since the ban they have came back. The DDT made the egg shells to thin and brittle.
That ddt was bad stuff, im glad its gone.
 

Southdakotahunter

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me also. THe bald eagle has made a comeback and alot of that has to do with banning ddt. I shoot snow geese in the spring and see many. They are a bird you rarly saw 25 or 30 years ago. There are other chemicals that do what is needed to be done without all the damage.
 
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Southdakotahunter said:
me also. THe bald eagle has made a comeback and alot of that has to do with banning ddt. I shoot snow geese in the spring and see many. They are a bird you rarly saw 25 or 30 years ago. There are other chemicals that do what is needed to be done without all the damage.

I have to agree with you about the DDT and the eagles-- it got to the point that seeing an eagle was almost a rarity, but now sometimes I see a dozen or more on the 5 mile drive to town- almost getting too thick for my liking- definitely would be if we still ran sheep....

But the bird we saw die out the most from DDT and chemicals was the magpie...Used to see hundreds every day- always sitting on a post chattering at you- could always find something dead by where the magpies were gathered at-- would have a dozen or more fly out of the feedlot when you went out there...Now I seldom see one- maybe one every a month or two...
 

IL Rancher

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Around here the crows and jays have taken a beating the last few years from West Nile Virus... Just an absolute beating... In their place the turkey vultures seem to have really taken over as the carrion bird in place of crows... Might see 2-3 crows a year on the farm during the summer, a few more show in the winter but not in any great numbers... I read stories where they used to dynamite crow nesting zones and wait for all the cows to come in for the night before setting it off to knock the population down...

Never have had a problem from Bald eagles with our sheep but we don't have Goldens around here for the most part and the Balds are only seasonal as they migrate through the area. Still love seeing them...
 

Jinglebob

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Oldtimer said:
But the bird we saw die out the most from DDT and chemicals was the magpie...Used to see hundreds every day- always sitting on a post chattering at you- could always find something dead by where the magpies were gathered at-- would have a dozen or more fly out of the feedlot when you went out there...Now I seldom see one- maybe one every a month or two...

We never see magpies anymore. They tell me that they started going down in numbers when people started using Warbex. Supposedly the magpies ate the the grubs and when the warbex killed the grubs it also killed the magpies.

My dad used to make quite a little money when he was a kid in the teens and 20's by sending magpies into the state for the bounty.

I read an interesting article that claimed that ddt had nothing to do with the loss of the eagles and other raptors. I don't remember where I read it, but it was interesting, what they citied for the reasons in the decline in the raptors.

Whatever caused it, it's nice to see these raptors around. I believe they get lots of mice and rodents.

And if I had sheep, I'd sure watch the eagles at lambimng time.

Had a feller in Wyo. tell me about seeing several eagles knocking down antelope and eating them. :shock:
 

katrina

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I'm going to try and read it during our vacation next month, I'll let you know how the rest of it is first
.
So Cal my wd-40 man, Where are you going on your vacation????
And my next question is: You're going to read a book on vacation???
Hello!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Red Robin

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You fellas do a good job remembering what they taught you in school. Trouble is they taught you a lie.

But by 1960 – 20 years after the Bald Eagle Protection Act and at the peak of DDT use – the Audubon Society reported counting 25 percent more eagles than in its pre-1941 census. U.S. Forest Service studies reported an increase in nesting bald eagle productivity from 51 in 1964 to 107 in 1970, according to the 1970 Annual Report on Bald Eagle Status.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service attributed bald eagle population reductions to a “widespread loss of suitable habitat,” but noted that “illegal shooting continues to be the leading cause of direct mortality in both adult and immature bald eagles,” according to a 1978 report in the Endangered Species Tech Bulletin.

A 1984 National Wildlife Federation publication listed hunting, power line electrocution, collisions in flight and poisoning from eating ducks containing lead shot as the leading causes of eagle deaths.

In addition to these reports, numerous scientific studies and experiments vindicate DDT.

U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service biologists fed large doses of DDT to captive bald eagles for 112 days and concluded that “DDT residues encountered by eagles in the environment would not adversely affect eagles or their eggs,” according to a 1966 report published in the “Transcripts of 31st North America Wildlife Conference.”

The USFWS examined every bald eagle found dead in the U.S. between 1961-1977 (266 birds) and reported no adverse effects caused by DDT or its residues.

One of the most notorious DDT “factoids” is that it thinned bird egg shells. But a 1970 study published in Pesticides Monitoring Journal reported that DDT residues in bird egg shells were not correlated with thinning. Numerous other feeding studies on caged birds indicate that DDT isn’t associated with egg shell thinning.

In the few studies claiming to implicate DDT as the cause of thinning, the birds were fed diets that were either low in calcium, included other known egg shell-thinning substances, or that contained levels of DDT far in excess of levels that would be found in the environment – and even then, the massive doses produced much less thinning than what had been found in egg shells in the wild.

So what causes thin bird egg shells? The potential culprits are many. Some that have been reported in the scientific literature include: oil; lead; mercury; stress from noise, fear, excitement or disease; age; bird size (larger birds produce thicker shells); dehydration; temperature; decreased light; human and predator intrusion; restraint and nutrient deficiencies.

Most of this evidence was available to the Environmental Protection Agency administrative judge who presided over the 1971-1972 hearings about whether DDT should be banned. No doubt it’s why he ruled that, “The use of DDT under the regulations involved here does not have a deleterious effect on freshwater fish, estuarine organisms, wild birds or other wildlife.”

Yet it’s the myths, not the facts that endure. Why? The answer is endless repetition. The environmentalists who wanted DDT banned have constantly repeated the myths over the last 40 years, while most of DDT’s defenders lost interest after the miracle chemical was summarily banned in 1972 by EPA administrator William Ruckleshaus.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,202447,00.html
 

Mike

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On Wed, 10 May 2006 03:29:51 -0700, Sir Frederick wrote:



Rachel Carson - deadlier than Stalin?
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?menuID=1&subID=471
By turning the world against DDT, Rachel Carson caused a humanitarian
catastrophe, writes robert matthews

Her ideology has led to more deaths than Stalin's purges, and brought
misery to hundreds of millions more. But now, over 40 years after her
death, her grip on the fate of countless developing nations may finally
be at an end.

As the founder of the modern ecological movement, the American
naturalist Rachel Carson is not an obvious candidate for the pantheon of
evil. Her best-selling book Silent Spring, published in 1963, is widely
credited with putting the interconnectedness of nature on the political
agenda, and led to international bans on the use of the pesticide DDT,
which she claimed was causing ecological disaster. Yet while her actions
may have been motivated by the best of intentions, the consequences in
human terms have been catastrophic. The ban on DDT robbed developing
nations of a cheap, safe and effective means of combating malaria, which
kills two million people each year.

That tots up to at least 50 million deaths since the bans took effect in
the early 1970s. And for what? Even at the time, Carson's claims that
DDT was responsible for everything from the thinning of eggshells to
cancer in humans looked shaky. By the mid-1980s they had been utterly
discredited. Yet by then Carson's claims had achieved the status of holy
writ among environmentalists - and among right-on officials in
government ministries. Third World nations were threatened with trade
sanctions if they even suggested using DDT in fields or homes.
 

Red Robin

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katrina said:
I'm going to try and read it during our vacation next month, I'll let you know how the rest of it is first
.
So Cal my wd-40 man, Where are you going on your vacation????
And my next question is: You're going to read a book on vacation???
Hello!!!!!!!!!!!
Katrina, Cal actually goes to the library once a year . He calls that his vacation. :wink:
 

katrina

Well-known member
I think I need to be his itineary director....... Somehow reading a book is not what I would do for vacation.. Especially when you can get a chapter in every night before bed.... :wink: Can't wait for his explaination on this one....
 

Cal

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HAHAHA, actually we're going here, naturally impeccable timing.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15278030/

Long flights get boring, need something to read that begets rude looks from libs.
 

Cal

Well-known member
Southdakotahunter said:
Sure Cal....first off i think we are better off without some of the nasty chemicals used in the past. I also think we need to look at all ways of creating energy. I have no probs with coal, just know it can be cleaner, also have no prob with nuclear..........as long as its done safe. Wind power is an option. It helps anyway. Hydrogen.......have to start somewhere right? Eventually our oil supplys will run out......better start now.

Education....how can anyone say education was better back when... NO WAY.....my kid is in 5th grade and already doing algebra.........i dont think i saw that until 9th.......
Interesting, my boy was starting some algebra in fifth grade in a country school, won't be surprised if it's not brought out again until ninth grade in town. What do you think about the oil shale development potential in this country, and also ethanol?
 
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