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Why do individuals Deny their beliefs?

hypocritexposer

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I've noticed on PB and in society, that people are quick to deny their beliefs.

If they believe strongly in something, and they believe it to be the truth, why are they afraid to meet any objection head on? Does truth not trump all?

Let's take socialism for example.

In Canada, we do have socialist aspects to our country. Developed over years, they seem to work, as long as they are not in excess, or too speedily implemented. We seem to have a good balance between socialism and capitalism!

But when you mention socialism, those that believe in it, run! They don't debate their point of view. Is it the connotation or the denotation that they don't want to debate?

But when you mention it, they hit you with a drive by, attack your character, understanding of the subject, and are elusive when trying to discuss the merits of their ideology. (if it works then educate us on it's merits)

Religious beliefs, same thing. ("the bible is bullshite) a recent comment on PB! Really, how? does it restrict your own personal beliefs?

There is a whole list of personal beliefs that people will not discuss. Why?

I can only think that they are afraid of being ridiculed.

Has our freedom to express our opinions/beliefs been so restricted that we fear to express them? If so, then I fear we are in more trouble than we realize.
 

Sandhusker

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I think it's because some people don't actually BELIEVE what they are defending. Rather, their defense comes from an obligation - and it shows.
 
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Anonymous

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Hypocrit--one question....You seem to hate all government- but have said that the reason you are on here night and day and putting forth your hate of US government is that you are disabled--- Do you take advantage of your governments ADP/pensions/health care plans :???:
 

hypocritexposer

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Huh!, where have I ever said I was disabled?

The only government program I've ever taken advantage of is unemployment insurance, once after 20 years of paying into it.

Great program, managed well from the service point of view. Maybe took a little long to be incoming.

Problem I see with it, is it costs more than it receives in premiums, and is too restrictive.

I'd rather have a private system that is based on the chances of being unemployed versus premiums paid, much like auto insurance.

The employers in Canada pay more into the system than the benefactors.

Cut that in half, use it for those that can not afford unemployment insurance, and use my premiums towards my benefits.

If I choose to withdraw over 20 months or 50 months, that's up to me.

Use my money, split the difference, put half the interest into my account.

I'll pay for myself, thank you very much, and give a bit to others in the meantime. I believe in charity as much as the next person.

Why do people deny their beliefs?
 
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Anonymous

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hypocritexposer said:
Huh!, where have I ever said I was disabled?

You told me that in a PM where you also was explaining why you could be on here all hours of the day and night- couldn't give any details of your life/livelihood-- and being scared of being stalked....

But you, hoppy, Larrry and others just keep living in your lives of anonymity/multiple identities and posting away.....

And forgive me if I accept the credibility of those that have posted about themselves- and their pictures on the posters thread over them of a Canadian that seems to hate American government- but that has told me is living off the socialism/government of the Canadian one....
 

alice

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Ya know, OT...I picked up on "hypo" writing that he was physically unable to do much else other than type his propaganda on this board...something along the lines of "forgive me if I can't..." or something like that.

Noooooooo, "hypo," I'm not gonna spend time doin' a search and diggin' out where you said this...I know ya' did, I read it, and that's enough for me.

Alice
 

hypocritexposer

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You told me that in a PM where you also was explaining why you could be on here all hours of the day and night- couldn't give any details of your life/livelihood-- and being scared of being stalked....

Bullshite! I never told you such a thing. I have never PM'd you! The only details I have ever given about my personal life is that I could not discuss my involvement with LE.

Do I act like I'm scared of being stalked or being called names, or expressing my opinion? You're not making sense man!

I came onto Ranchers as an anoynmous person for a reason, and I think I've proven my point that you do not need to be known personally by anyone to be trusted, it's how you act. But those that are known can not always be trusted themselves.

Anybody that has ever gotten a PM from me has noticed it has not been signed with my name, mostly I write "cheers", is that what yours had on it.

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hypocritexposer

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alice said:
Ya know, OT...I picked up on "hypo" writing that he was physically unable to do much else other than type his propaganda on this board...something along the lines of "forgive me if I can't..." or something like that.

Noooooooo, "hypo," I'm not gonna spend time doin' a search and diggin' out where you said this...I know ya' did, I read it, and that's enough for me.

Alice

You can pick up what ever you wish, but I have never tried to mislead anybody on any physical capabilites, I do or not have.

If you want to surmise etc, go ahead. There are people on this website that know different.

They have even seen pictures of me on horseback etc.

This is just like OT's understanding of my knowledge about ranching and cattle.

Why do people deny their beliefs?
 

alice

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hypocritexposer said:
alice said:
Ya know, OT...I picked up on "hypo" writing that he was physically unable to do much else other than type his propaganda on this board...something along the lines of "forgive me if I can't..." or something like that.

Noooooooo, "hypo," I'm not gonna spend time doin' a search and diggin' out where you said this...I know ya' did, I read it, and that's enough for me.

Alice

You can pick up what ever you wish, but I have never tried to mislead anybody on any physical capabilites, I do or not have.

If you want to surmise etc, go ahead. There are people on this website that know different.

They have even seen pictures of me on horseback etc.

This is just like OT's understanding of my knowledge about ranching and cattle.

Why do people deny their beliefs?

I do not deny my beliefs...nor do I deny the belief, no the certainty, that you led folks to believe that you were/are disabled.

Alice
 
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Anonymous

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Hypocrit- I know what you told me in the PM-- and I even told a couple people in PM's afterward to cut you some slack because you were disabled- which like Alice they had picked up on thru the posts....

But if you want to change that- no skin off my butt---but it knocks your credibility even more- just like your denying you were Canadian for so long did when I said that... :roll:
An "Anonymous"- who apparently doesn't even like his country because he didn't want to acknowledge it..... :(
 

hypocritexposer

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You're knocking my credibility seems to be a goal of yours.


Hypocrit- I know what you told me in the PM-- and I even told a couple people in PM's afterward to cut you some slack because you were disabled- which like Alice they had picked up on thru the posts....

I'm sure those that you sent the PM's to will back you up, obviously Alice was not one of them, she assumed through whatever posts! I'm sure those that you provide proof from will be evaluated for their credibility.

I do not have to change a damn thing. My beliefs are solid! My anonymity does not change anything.

I never denied my nationality whatsoever. You assumed, never asked, I never divulged! Good enough for the President, good enough for some Anonymous poster on PB.

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hopalong

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hypocritexposer said:
You're knocking my credibility seems to be a goal of yours.


Hypocrit- I know what you told me in the PM-- and I even told a couple people in PM's afterward to cut you some slack because you were disabled- which like Alice they had picked up on thru the posts....

I'm sure those that you sent the PM's to will back you up, obviously Alice was not one of them, she had to assume through the posts!

I do not have to change a damn thing. My beliefs are solid! My anonymity does not change anything.

I never denied my nationality whatsoever. You assumed, never asked, I never divulged! Good enough for the President, good enough for some Anonymous poster on PB.

Why do people deny their beliefs?

Because they have only one belief!! they know it all!!

oldtimer and alice have history of makeing false claims of pms :roll:
 

hypocritexposer

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hopalong said:
hypocritexposer said:
You're knocking my credibility seems to be a goal of yours.


Hypocrit- I know what you told me in the PM-- and I even told a couple people in PM's afterward to cut you some slack because you were disabled- which like Alice they had picked up on thru the posts....

I'm sure those that you sent the PM's to will back you up, obviously Alice was not one of them, she had to assume through the posts!

I do not have to change a damn thing. My beliefs are solid! My anonymity does not change anything.

I never denied my nationality whatsoever. You assumed, never asked, I never divulged! Good enough for the President, good enough for some Anonymous poster on PB.

Why do people deny their beliefs?

Because they have only one belief!! they know it all!!

oldtimer and alice have history of makeing false claims of pms :roll:

they have to live with their lies and beliefs, we don't!

Hopalong, I know you are expressing your beliefs, but don't ever feel that you have to defend me.

I'm confident that truth speaks for itself, and lies are only damaging if you let them be.

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backhoeboogie

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I have no idea why someone would deny what they believe in.

OT plenty of folks know exactly who I am by my complete given name on my birth certificate - Alice included. Plenty of others on who sit on both sides of the fence. It aint no big deal. There's not much to hide or reason to do so.

There are some over at CT who buy hay from me. They know my home and they have been to my pastures. They know my word is good.

My dit name in this forum is the same in both forums and it has never changed. You are the only one who has changed it. You referred to me as "backhole" and I assume you meant it as an insult.

Hence I have no idea where you are coming from. Since trust is a two way street, it appears your colors are showing yet again.
 
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backhoeboogie said:
I have no idea why someone would deny what they believe in.

OT plenty of folks know exactly who I am by my complete given name on my birth certificate - Alice included. Plenty of others on who sit on both sides of the fence. It aint no big deal. There's not much to hide or reason to do so.

There are some over at CT who buy hay from me. They know my home and they have been to my pastures. They know my word is good.

My dit name in this forum is the same in both forums and it has never changed. You are the only one who has changed it. You referred to me as "backhole" and I assume you meant it as an insult.

Hence I have no idea where you are coming from. Since trust is a two way street, it appears your colors are showing yet again.

You can believe me or not- but thats what hypocrit told me when he was questioned about all the time he spent on here...
If he wants to deny it now- fine.....If he still wants to live in anonymity- after playing games about denying where he lives- even after being directly challenged (which he now admits)- and wants to deny why he is on here all the time- fine--but it still raises questions to me WHY? And what is his agenda?
I was questioned on the same- and I explained it-several times....
Many on here know who I am too- and I've posted my website and post on at least 3 other sites by the same name- at least one where you have to register your name to post on...I posted my picture on the ranchers photo album-- I've never tried to hide who I am- compared to some yippers and yappers multiname and anonymous usage....

As far as calling you backhole-I never meant it as insult here- its shorter than backhoeboogie.....But since its use/ shortening names insults you- have you ever questioned or chastised your backslapping buddies that do it all the time as insults.. :???:
 

hypocritexposer

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OT, I'm not denying a dang thing, ask me the question, I will answer.

If he wants to deny it now- fine.....If he still wants to live in anonymity- after playing games about denying where he lives- even after being directly challenged (which he now admits)- and wants to deny why he is on here all the time- fine--but it still raises questions to me WHY? And what is his agenda?

I let you know where I live when I felt that I should let you know, if you would have asked, I would not have dodged the question.

Here's my agenda: OR my beliefs.

I want to bring to your attention that Obama is not good for anybody, in the long term.

He was voted for without anybody researching his past actions and associations, except those that voted against him. He is ineligible to be the Commander in Chief, he will damage your country beyond repair, IMHO.

I believe in personal freedom and less government, less taxes, due to wastage of money, and beuacracy. Everybody has the ability and talent to provide for themselves.

I believe we can only have any impact on future history, and not the past.

If you do not believe in something, you have the freedom to speak up. It should not be taken as an insult, so much as a learning opportunity.

Nobody can make an educated decision without looking at as many facts as are available. Trust levels are determined by different means, emotion and intellectual, and a combination of both.

You can change history, but not the truth. I'll continue to provide what I know to be fact, and allow you the freedom to choose whether you believe it, and how you react to it.

You have the freedom to read it, discount it, try to discredit me or any other action you choose. I'll keep on doing what I do and you can keep on doing whatever you do.

Your actions/words will be attributed to you and not me. I will continue to build trust, in an honorable and consistent manner, with all those I come in contact with.

What's your agenda?


just in case anybody missed the answer to OT and Alice's assumed beliefs, here it is.

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34963&start=0
 

backhoeboogie

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Oldtimer said:
As far as calling you backhole-I never meant it as insult here- its shorter than backhoeboogie.....But since its use/ shortening names insults you- have you ever questioned or chastised your backslapping buddies that do it all the time as insults.. :???:


OT I've been called far worse, in person, more times than I can count.

Most other places just go with Boogie, Backhoe, BHB and who knows what else. Their aint none of them my given name in the first place. All of my favorite dit names were already taken over at CT. When Macon sent us to this one for Politics, I just kept the same name. Lots of folks did and it lets you know who is who. Lots of folks never came back to this place after seeing how things are.
 

Mrs.Greg

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Hmmm,kinda too bad...this could have been a pretty good discussion but per usual it gets off track.


I don't believe I've ever denied my beliefs just sometimes scared to express them on here....for obvious reasons..... :roll:
 

hypocritexposer

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Mrs.Greg said:
Hmmm,kinda too bad...this could have been a pretty good discussion but per usual it gets off track.


I don't believe I've ever denied my beliefs just sometimes scared to express them on here....for obvious reasons..... :roll:

enough said. You feel restricted.

Answers my question.

Why do people deny their beliefs?
 
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