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aplusmnt

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Oldtimer said:
I used to think that too--until they came up with this neoconservative line of thinking- which is all about profiteering for the corporate world- and has nothing to do with real conservative beliefs..Enter GW/Cheney/etal :( :( :mad:

OT you must have been very naive in your youth, because ALL politicians have been profiteering for the corporate world since the day of the first politician. They all are indebted to the corporate world, Liberals and Conservatives.

All we as voters can hope for is that the ones we vote for make some decisions that serve our wants. Aka, gun control, abortion, taxes, gay marriage, etc......

No politician will ever set foot in Washington that is not indebted to the corporate world.
 

passin thru

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OT you must have been very naive in your youth, because ALL politicians have been profiteering for the corporate world since the day of the first politician. They all are indebted to the corporate world, Liberals and Conservatives.

All we as voters can hope for is that the ones we vote for make some decisions that serve our wants. Aka, gun control, abortion, taxes, gay marriage, etc......

No politician will ever set foot in Washington that is not indebted to the corporate world

Not a truer word spoken
 
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Tex said:
Soapweed said:
Tex said:
I do like Soapweed's explanation of "liberal", giving the freedom for youngsters to chart their own course instead of being clones of their parents.

Most influential life lessons are learned by oneself, not taught by others. Liberalism allows that.

But you do notice that after the youngster did things her own way for a bit, she finally saw the logic in the conservative thought process after all. Her dad handled it well; he allowed her go her own way until she figured out what was right. He would make a good "kid whisperer" because he made the wrong thing hard and the right way easy. He's a good dad, and she is an apt student.

This statement still has merit: "If you're not a liberal when you're young, you have no heart, and if you're not a conservative when you're old, you have no brain."

I totally understood what you said, Soap, and agree.

One thing I am worried about is that people will be swayed by the term "conservative" and not the meaning.

Yep-- and contrary to what some on here preach- just because they have an (R) behind their name doesn't mean they are conservative...... :(
 

Soapweed

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Oldtimer said:
Yep-- and contrary to what some on here preach- just because they have an (R) behind their name doesn't mean they are conservative...... :(

You are to a certain extent right, Oldtimer, but there are still two main camps of thought process. For lack of better terms they are "conservative" and "liberal." Sure, we all know that there are liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats, and some folks can't color within the lines enough to know where they stand.

The reason I don't hold Liberals in high regard, is because so much of the time what they stand for is just plain wrong. Associated in this group are tree huggers, bunny huggers, PETA people, Environmental wackos, greenie-weenies, gun control freaks, and horse lovers that can't stand to have a horse go to slaughter but will watch that old pony starve and suffer for years, then die a slow painful death. Common sense is an ingredient completely missing in most Liberal dogma.

Even as a youngster, I was about as narrow-minded, opinionated and conservative as a person could get. Eating at a cafe was a pretty rare occurance when I was small. On one of these occasions, I requested a bottle of pop. My dad gave me a dime and told me I'd have to buy it at the pop machine. I looked at the dime, put it in my pocket, and said, "I guess I will just drink water."

A good friend of mine was just as country and conservative as me during our formative years. In high school, for a brief period of time he kind of went over the edge as far as I was concerned. He grew his hair long and played guitar with a rock and roll band. For a couple years we didn't have too much in common, but eventually he came back to reality. Later he started liking country music again. Once I jokingly said, "I thought you liked hard rock music." He replied, "I still like both rock and country, but I got to looking at the types of people playing the music and decided that the country singers were more the type of people I would choose as my friends." For him, conservatism and good sense ruled when the chips were down.

Sure there are those who choose middle ground in being conservative or liberal, and that is all well and fine. I have no problem with this. My only objective is to point out the basic differences in the two extreme thought processes.

In reality, I too have lost quite a bit of respect and admiration that I once had for President Bush. He could probably do better than what he is doing. By the same token, I think on a day-to-day basis he has made the best decisions that he could with the information that he had at the time. We all make mistakes. I can certainly look back on the past several years of my ranching and see many things I wish I had done differently. This doesn't change the fact that on a day-to-day basis, I, too, tried to make my decisions based on the best information available at the time.

Even though President Bush has maybe not quite lived up to my expectations, I certainly do not regret having voted for him instead of for Al Gore or John Kerry. I know with great certainty that the those two men stand for just about everything that I am dead-set against.
 

Tex

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Even as a youngster, I was about as narrow-minded, opinionated and conservative as a person could get. Eating at a cafe was a pretty rare occurance when I was small. On one of these occasions, I requested a bottle of pop. My dad gave me a dime and told me I'd have to buy it at the pop machine. I looked at the dime, put it in my pocket, and said, "I guess I will just drink water."


I can really relate to you here, Soap. When I was young, I had money saved up and would go to the store to buy some candy--- Not to eat it, but to sell it later at the ballpark to other kids who liked what I had better than what the ballpark had. My parents still laugh at that.

I paid for my own college education and even loaned money out when I was in college. I have owned several businesses and been self employed most of my life. My wife has never had that experience--she needs a steady planned income. That never happens when you own your own business so you have to handle money much different than a wage type income, and you have to be much more conservative with money.

I never really had a tv when I was growing up for a lot of the time. Ours went out and we just didn't get another one. One of my neighbors felt sorry for me and gave me an extra tv they had. I still didn't watch it more because I was always out in the woods, creek, or out tending to my livestock. We didn't have a radio either, and I listened to more music in college because I lived in a dorm and others had it going. My wife still laughs at me not knowing who plays a lot of the old songs.

My cousins were into KISS, which my mom abhorred. They came to stay out at our house one summer and my mom forbade them from bringing that kind of music in the house. When my cousins were bringing their stuff in, and they hid those albums in their stuff, they came through the living room. As my cousins went by the tv, it caught on fire. It wasn't even on. Needless to say, my mom found the albums---the real cause the tv blew up. :shock:

I believe we had the most conservative preacher in the Southern Baptist Convention but I believe my parents were more conservative than him.

When they had record and tape burnings (sounds real conservative here, doesn't it?), I found out that it was really a reaction of our pastor to his kid's music. Needless to say, we had no records or tapes to contribute to the cause.

I do like some music now but a lot of times I just can't make out the words. Usually I make up my own to fit the tune, which is fine by me. My kids laugh at it but they have to laugh at something. Now we have the "new" country which is much better than a lot of the old whiskey and cheating songs (no disrespect to those who like that). My first date in college was taking a west texas girl to a Willy Nelson concert on campus in the basketball court. Later I went to the Snake River Stampede and heard Glen Cambell (who many years later sat next to my wife and kids on an airplane---he helped out my wife with the kids and enjoyed playing with the kids on the plane -- was a real cool guy--the closest my wife was to country music).

I've known a few politicians who were all conservatives, whether they were republican or democrat. If you know anything about the South, many of the local politicians were conservative democrats, nothing like the liberal northeasterners you have pegged.

Conservatism, I learned, is a relative term.

In all cases, I consider the actions of those who profess to be a conservative, not just the label.
 

Steve

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Mrs. Greg
I'll try and stay out of your way,if my Scottish background will allow that..... :wink:

On that note I'll just steer clear of you,... :wink:







with my wife being Scottish, I know when and who not to tangle with. :lol:
 

CattleArmy

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Soapweed said:
Tex said:
I do like Soapweed's explanation of "liberal", giving the freedom for youngsters to chart their own course instead of being clones of their parents.

Most influential life lessons are learned by oneself, not taught by others. Liberalism allows that.

But you do notice that after the youngster did things her own way for a bit, she finally saw the logic in the conservative thought process after all. Her dad handled it well; he allowed her go her own way until she figured out what was right. He would make a good "kid whisperer" because he made the wrong thing hard and the right way easy. He's a good dad, and she is an apt student.

This statement still has merit: "If you're not a liberal when you're young, you have no heart, and if you're not a conservative when you're old, you have no brain."

Glad I was reading this old thread cause actually I like the statement. I hope I never become a closed minded conservative, but I hope I'm conservative enough to instill family values and work ethic into my children.
 

Steve

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CattleArmy
I hope I never become a closed minded conservative,

I find it ironic how closed minded that statement is...

Conservatives are not closed minded... we might not want to change everything for the next fad cause,.. or get all emotional when someone screams that the sky is falling..

most of the time we are called closed minded right after we put a whole bunch of holes in the newest liberals scheme...

yet you hope to cling to the values we hope to protect...
 

Soapweed

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CattleArmy said:
I hope I never become a closed minded conservative, but I hope I'm conservative enough to instill family values and work ethic into my children.

That is rather a "close minded" statement on your part, CattleArmy. The words that are more appropriate would be a "common sense" conservative. With age, maturity, and real life experience, the idealism of youth tends to fall by the wayside. Common sense starts to prevail. I hope you retain the conservatism that you have been taught so that you can pass on these good values to your children.
 

Tex

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Steve said:
CattleArmy
I hope I never become a closed minded conservative,

I find it ironic how closed minded that statement is...

Conservatives are not closed minded... we might not want to change everything for the next fad cause,.. or get all emotional when someone screams that the sky is falling..

most of the time we are called closed minded right after we put a whole bunch of holes in the newest liberals scheme...

yet you hope to cling to the values we hope to protect...

Hitler's rise to power would never be stopped by "conservatives"--and wasn't.
 

Steve

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Hitler's rise to power would never be stopped by "conservatives"--and wasn't.

another insult,.. why would we expect more...

hitler used the same scape-goat tactics of "hate the Jews" as the liberals use "tax the rich"... "corporations are evil"... both based on convincing an uneducated or over-educated person to believe an emotional plea based on innuendo and envy...
 
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Steve said:
Hitler's rise to power would never be stopped by "conservatives"--and wasn't.

another insult,.. why would we expect more...

hitler used the same scape-goat tactics of "hate the Jews" as the liberals use "tax the rich"... "corporations are evil"... both based on convincing an uneducated or over-educated person to believe an emotional plea based on innuendo and envy...

And GW and the current group in the White House have used the same emotional fearmongering- war drum beating- false info propogandizing- and if you question us you aren't a patriot tactic to cover up possibly the most inept administration in the history of the US......

Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
Hermann Göring
 

nonothing

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Soapweed said:
CattleArmy said:
I hope I never become a closed minded conservative, but I hope I'm conservative enough to instill family values and work ethic into my children.

That is rather a "close minded" statement on your part, CattleArmy. The words that are more appropriate would be a "common sense" conservative. With age, maturity, and real life experience, the idealism of youth tends to fall by the wayside. Common sense starts to prevail. I hope you retain the conservatism that you have been taught so that you can pass on these good values to your children.


I think Cattle army's statement is more about losing the ability to change when change is needed....I do not see it as a closed minded comment,truth be told there are some closed minded conservatives out there as there are way overboard bleeding haert liberals....I think the fact that cattle army openly talks about being conservative in raising children,points to the ideal that sometimes finding a middle ground by taking the good points from both political views,may be one of the more common sense statements ever offered here...

I do know that some may look at it as a blanket comment ,but we all know some people who are stubborn or so called close minded..I am willing to wager that Cattle Army's comment was not made to include the majority of conservatives....
 

CattleArmy

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Soapweed said:
CattleArmy said:
I hope I never become a closed minded conservative, but I hope I'm conservative enough to instill family values and work ethic into my children.

That is rather a "close minded" statement on your part, CattleArmy. The words that are more appropriate would be a "common sense" conservative. With age, maturity, and real life experience, the idealism of youth tends to fall by the wayside. Common sense starts to prevail. I hope you retain the conservatism that you have been taught so that you can pass on these good values to your children.

If you'd read the whole statement I do want to be conservative enough to pass on good values yet I don't want to be so closed minded that I don't think issues through and see that sometimes issues aren't black and white sometimes there is that gray area. That sometimes good people fall on hard times and sometimes good people are involved in activities that don't make them deemed useless or hell driven. That sometimes circumstances make things out of one's control but doensn't make it ok for me to look down on people due to my views and ideas not being the same.

The main reason I fear falling to far into the conservative mind set is because I don't think everyone on welfare has another option. I don't think everyone abuses it. I know some children would not eat or have medical services without it.

I also think commitment between two consentual adults is a good thing. To me wether it's a man and a woman, two women or two men, it's better they be committed then doing every tom, dick, and mary in the country.

Just some thoughts that I'm sure are gonna bring on the replys....right or wrong fellas they are my thoughts I'm not trying to stuff them in anyones face or anything just bringing in my opinion.


***Reminder to self try and not say anything nice cause it bites ya in the butt too.****
 

CattleArmy

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nonothing said:
Soapweed said:
CattleArmy said:
I hope I never become a closed minded conservative, but I hope I'm conservative enough to instill family values and work ethic into my children.

That is rather a "close minded" statement on your part, CattleArmy. The words that are more appropriate would be a "common sense" conservative. With age, maturity, and real life experience, the idealism of youth tends to fall by the wayside. Common sense starts to prevail. I hope you retain the conservatism that you have been taught so that you can pass on these good values to your children.


I think Cattle army's statement is more about losing the ability to change when change is needed....I do not see it as a closed minded comment,truth be told there are some closed minded conservatives out there as there are way overboard bleeding haert liberals....I think the fact that cattle army openly talks about being conservative in raising children,points to the ideal that sometimes finding a middle ground by taking the good points from both political views,may be one of the more common sense statements ever offered here...

I do know that some may look at it as a blanket comment ,but we all know some people who are stubborn or so called close minded..I am willing to wager that Cattle Army's comment was not made to include the majority of conservatives....

Thank you for getting what I tried to say.
 

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