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Why GW Needs to Be Challenged!!!

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Anonymous

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Finally some more are wakening to the reason I've been saying that GW needs to be challenged and jerked up short on his reign of secrecy and going around or totally avoiding existing laws and the Constitution.....The last paragraph and especially the last sentence sums it up quite well :shock: :(

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Aug 5, 8:16 PM EDT
More Bush-Congress court fights likely
By CHARLES BABINGTON
Associated Press Writer


The administration repeatedly has rebuffed Congress' efforts to look into wiretaps, energy policy, prosecutors' firings and other matters, while claiming its own right to probe alleged congressional misdeeds. The efforts have been extraordinary, even by the standards set by secretive and combative presidents such as Richard Nixon, some legal scholars say.

"Most people feel this has been the most aggressive executive branch, maybe in the history of the country, in terms of asserting its executive authority," said Carl Tobias, a constitutional law professor at the University of Richmond in Virginia.

The stakes have risen in recent months as the Democratic-controlled Congress began contempt proceedings against some of Bush's top aides and suggested a perjury investigation of his attorney general.

At least some clashes appear headed for court, where judges again will wrestle with a question central to the republic's founding: Where to strike the balance between the executive and legislative branches' powers so that one does not ride roughshod over the other?

"I think you'll find the courts are going to become more involved," Sen. Ben Cardin, D-Md., a lawyer who is on the Senate Judiciary Committee, said in an interview after the court decision Friday. "This administration has a well-deserved reputation for arrogance. I think they just try to believe that they are not susceptible to checks and balances."


Perhaps the action most likely to trigger a showdown over Bush's repeated claims of executive privilege was last month's House committee vote to launch contempt charges against former White House counsel Harriet Miers. Bush has asserted executive privilege in refusing to let her testify in Congress' probe of the firing of several federal prosecutors.

Legal scholars say executive privilege is an imprecise term asserted by several presidents but never fully settled by the courts. The Miers case, some say, could be a good test of how to balance a president's need for private advice against Congress's need to oversee executive branch actions that might include political abuses.

"There will be more courts," Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., said Friday. "This administration takes a position that no administration has, certainly since Marbury v. Madison, that somehow they are above the law," he said, referring to the 1803 Supreme Court decision establishing judicial reviews.

Bruce Fein, a Washington lawyer who was an associate deputy attorney general in the Reagan administration, fears Congress is not fighting hard enough to parry Bush's claims of executive privilege.

"The Bush administration is close to reducing Congress to wallpaper, when it comes to oversight, if Congress does not respond" more forcefully, he said.

Republicans, he added, may come to regret the precedents that Bush is asserting.

"I tell my Republican friends that Hillary Clinton will be the president some day," Fein said. "They just don't get it."

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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BUSH_CONGRESS?SITE=MTBIL&SECTION=NATIONAL&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
 
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Presidential Tracking Poll
Friday, August 03, 2007
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani gaining ground over former Tennessee Senator Fred Thompson in the race for the Republican Presidential nomination. Today’s numbers show Giuliani at 26% and Thompson at 22%, Giuliani’s biggest advantage since early June (review long-term trends). For most of the past two months, Thompson has held a narrow edge. Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney is now the top choice for 14% while Arizona Senator John McCain falls to single digits for the first time at 9% (see daily history).

In the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination, New York Senator Hillary Clinton moves up to the 45% level of support among Likely Democratic Primary Voters. Illinois Senator Barack Obama is a distant second at 21%, his lowest level of support since early February. Former North Carolina Senator John Edwards is preferred by 11% (see daily history). Edwards opposes Rupert Murdoch’s purchase of the Wall Street Journal and has called upon Democrats to stop the merger. Edwards says that ongoing media consolidation “threatens the health of our Democracy” but most Americans have paid little attention to news of the Murdoch-Wall Street Journal news story.


Giuliani is now viewed favorably by 72% of Republicans, Thompson by 64%. Twenty-three percent (23%) of the GOP faithful have an unfavorable view of Giuliani. Twenty percent (20%) offer a negative assessment of Thompson. Among all voters, Giuliani’s favorables have slipped to 50%, his lowest level of Election 2008. Thompson, less well known, is viewed favorably by 43% and unfavorably by 35%.

Clinton is now viewed favorably by 82% of Democrats, Obama by 66%. Those figures include 43% with a Very Favorable opinion of Clinton. Thirty-three percent (33%) have such a positive view of Obama. Just 16% of Democrats have an unfavorable view of Clinton while 30% hold such a view of Obama.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/presidential_tracking_poll

Congressional Ballot
Saturday, August 04, 2007

If the Congressional Election were held today, 47% of American voters say they would vote for the Democrat in their district while 37% would opt for the Republican. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found 6% favoring a third-party option while 10% are not sure. That’s virtually unchanged from the 46% to 37% advantage the Democrats enjoy a month ago.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/congressional_ballot

Democrats Now Trusted More than GOP on Ten Out of Ten Key IssuesWednesday, July 25, 2007

When it comes to National Security, Democrats are now trusted more by 42% of likely voters, Republicans by 40%. This means that Democrats now enjoy at least a nominal edge on all ten issues regularly tracked by Rasmussen Reports to gauge voters' trust of the two major parties.

In late June Democrats had the edge on nine of ten issues. At that time, the GOP had a single point advantage of the National Security issue.

Republicans had enjoyed an historic advantage on National Security for several decades but are burdened by the unpopular War in Iraq. Last year’s Dubai Ports debacle also hurt perceptions of the GOP on national security.

The Democrats have also gained a little ground this month when it comes to the War in Iraq. Harry Reid’s party moved from a ten-point advantage in late June to a twelve-point lead of 47% to 35% in the new survey.

On another hot-button issue, Immigration, Democrats are now trusted more by 40%, versus 30% who trust Republicans more. This ten-point disparity is the second-largest we've seen all year. But another 29% don't find either party trustworthy.


Only Government Ethics and Corruption inspires higher levels of bipartisan distaste. Thirty-seven percent (37%) don’t notice any difference between the parties on the ethics front--among unaffiliated voters, that percentage mushrooms to 58%. Overall, Democrats are now favored by 38%, Republicans by 25%.

The GOP also lost ground on the Economy this month with Democrats now trusted more 47% to 38%. In June,the Democrats’ advantage was 47% to 40%.

Forty-three percent (43%) now trust Democrats more on Taxes, 41% trust Republicans more.

On domestic issues, Democrats enjoy the biggest advantage on Health Care and Social Security. Fifty percent (50%) trust Democrats more on Health Care, 33% trust Republicans more. On Social Security, 47% trust Democrats more while 34% prefer the GOP.

On Education, Democrats now have a four point advantage; on Abortion, a five-point advantage.

A separate survey found that Democrats have a nine-point advantage on the Generic Congressional Ballot.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/democrats_now_trusted_more_than_gop_on_ten_out_of_ten_key_issues
 

Steve

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"The Bush administration is close to reducing Congress to wallpaper, when it comes to oversight,

With the congress's inability to "oversight", themselves they have become as useless as wallpaper...

Can any one name one thing this congress has actually done to make America a better place?

in fact I can't think of one thing a politician has accomplished or a single problem ever solved at the federal level in my entire life...
 

kolanuraven

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


GW IS challenged...that's the whole problem!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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"Steve"
in fact I can't think of one thing a politician has accomplished or a single problem ever solved at the federal level in my entire life...

Then you won't mind when Queen Hillary has free run of the country with all the new precedents set....Sad thing is that she's going to have a one party free run (completely heavy Democrat Congress- both halls)-- and won't even have a challenge- thanks to GW's arrogance.....
 

Soapweed

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Oldtimer said:
"Steve"
in fact I can't think of one thing a politician has accomplished or a single problem ever solved at the federal level in my entire life...

Then you won't mind when Queen Hillary has free run of the country with all the new precedents set....Sad thing is that she's going to have a one party free run (completely heavy Democrat Congress- both halls)-- and won't even have a challenge- thanks to GW's arrogance.....

GW might be a bit arrogant, and so might Dick Cheney. That being said, we better hope those two take mighty good care of themselves, because if they get bumped off, Pelosi will be President. If you think we have troubles now, just wait until that happens.

George and Dick might have their drawbacks, but they are still head and shoulders above what either Gore or Kerry would have been. Armchair quarterbacks are a dime a dozen, and so are parlor Presidents. Things could be a whole lot worse. They would have been under the tutelage of either Goofy Gore or Ketchup King Kerry.
 

kolanuraven

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Soapweed said:
Oldtimer said:
"Steve"
in fact I can't think of one thing a politician has accomplished or a single problem ever solved at the federal level in my entire life...

Then you won't mind when Queen Hillary has free run of the country with all the new precedents set....Sad thing is that she's going to have a one party free run (completely heavy Democrat Congress- both halls)-- and won't even have a challenge- thanks to GW's arrogance.....

GW might be a bit arrogant, :shock: :shock: :shock: Ya think, DUH!!!

and so might Dick Cheney. That being said, we better hope those two take mighty good care of themselves, because if they get bumped off, Pelosi will be President. If you think we have troubles now, just wait until that happens.

George and Dick might have their drawbacks, but they are still head and shoulders above what either Gore or Kerry would have been. Armchair quarterbacks are a dime a dozen, and so are parlor Presidents. Things could be a whole lot worse.

They would have been under the tutelage of either Goofy Gore or Ketchup King Kerry.
:roll: :roll:

Not sure the parents of those 3K+ dead soldiers would agree with you!
 

hopalong

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kolanuraven said:
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Not sure the parents of those 3K+ dead soldiers would agree with you!

Maybe not all of them but I know of at least two that do not feel as you do.
And that is personal knowledge!
Yes it is terrible to lose a SON, DAUGHTER, NEPHEW, FRIEND, etc etc to war but for how many centuries has this been happening?
 

MoGal

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I googled this man today as I don't know much about him and of course Corporate America hates him, but his soldier contributions makes one wonder ..... it was an interesting read anyways.

Ron Paul #1 military contributions
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/articles/ron-paul-best-q2-fundraising-from-soldiers.html
 
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MoGal said:
I googled this man today as I don't know much about him and of course Corporate America hates him, but his soldier contributions makes one wonder ..... it was an interesting read anyways.

Ron Paul #1 military contributions
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/articles/ron-paul-best-q2-fundraising-from-soldiers.html

Ron Paul was #1 in contributions from military personnel.

The sum of the money contributed to pro-war candidates exceed the amount going to anti-war candidates but because Ron Paul is the lone anti-war Republican, he comes out the winner.

Yep-- Ron Paul is hated by Corporate America- and the neocons in D.C.-- but like the support of the military he is getting, he is also getting the support of the old true conservatives....And according to the conservative press--Paul has continually had the highest ratings on his voting record for following traditional conservative values....

But it won't matter-- GW and his neocon cronies in the White House have made the word Republican so dirty and reprehensible- that Hillary will walk into the White House in 08 with total control of both houses of Congress... :(
 
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Tuesday, Aug. 7, 2007 9:12 a.m. EDT
Poll: Clinton Extending Lead over Obama


New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has significantly widened her lead over Illinois Sen. Barack Obama in the Democratic presidential contest after a dispute over foreign policy, a new poll showed on Tuesday.

The USA Today/Gallup poll of 1,012 adults showed Clinton's support at 48 percent among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, versus 26 percent for Obama. Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards' support was at 12 percent.

USA Today reported on Tuesday the data showed Clinton advancing 8 percentage points and Obama falling 2 points from polling results from last month.

In a head-to-head matchup, the poll showed Clinton besting Obama 59 percent to 36 percent.


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/8/7/91406.shtml?s=lh
 

Soapweed

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Oldtimer said:
But it won't matter-- GW and his neocon cronies in the White House have made the word Republican so dirty and reprehensible- that Hillary will walk into the White House in 08 with total control of both houses of Congress... :(

Don't give up the ship yet. It ain't over 'til it's over. I just hope your vote will not be one of the ones for Hillary.
 

Soapweed

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kolanuraven said:
Soapweed said:
Oldtimer said:
"Steve"

Then you won't mind when Queen Hillary has free run of the country with all the new precedents set....Sad thing is that she's going to have a one party free run (completely heavy Democrat Congress- both halls)-- and won't even have a challenge- thanks to GW's arrogance.....

GW might be a bit arrogant, :shock: :shock: :shock: Ya think, DUH!!!

and so might Dick Cheney. That being said, we better hope those two take mighty good care of themselves, because if they get bumped off, Pelosi will be President. If you think we have troubles now, just wait until that happens.

George and Dick might have their drawbacks, but they are still head and shoulders above what either Gore or Kerry would have been. Armchair quarterbacks are a dime a dozen, and so are parlor Presidents. Things could be a whole lot worse.

They would have been under the tutelage of either Goofy Gore or Ketchup King Kerry.
:roll: :roll:

Not sure the parents of those 3K+ dead soldiers would agree with you!

Kola, here is a little truism of which you seem to be unaware. When a person joins the military, it is different than joining the cub scouts. There is a very good chance that they will become involved in combat situations. This is an all volunteer army. Nobody in recent times has been forced to become a member of the military. Is there a chance a soldier might die in battle? Yes, there is. They should have known that when they signed on the dotted line. Is there a more dignified or heroic way to die? Not hardly. There is no greater sacrifice than to die in the line of duty for one's country. Does this make it any easier to bear? No, it doesn't, but it is a chance that the soldier has agreed to take, when they join the military.

At the moment, there are six coal miners trapped in a mine in Utah. Did they know it was a dangerous job when they signed on for the work? Yes, they did, but they thought the compensation was worth the risk.

Fire fighters, policemen, lumberjacks, and yes, even cowboys, know that there is a certain amount of risk in the jobs they do. They love their work and take the chances anyway.

As I recall, I believe you said you "ran with the bulls" in Pamplona, Spain. Was there risk involved in doing this? Yes there was. You chose to do it anyway. If you were hurt, whose fault would it have been? No one forced you to go to Spain to run with the bulls.

By the same token, no one forced any of the soldiers to join the military. They have done so of their own free will and accord.
 
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Soapweed said:
Oldtimer said:
But it won't matter-- GW and his neocon cronies in the White House have made the word Republican so dirty and reprehensible- that Hillary will walk into the White House in 08 with total control of both houses of Congress... :(

Don't give up the ship yet. It ain't over 'til it's over. I just hope your vote will not be one of the ones for Hillary.

Not even if she was the only one running will that Queen get my vote...

To me she fits in her own class- along with Stalin, Hitler, Attila the Hun.....
 

Soapweed

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Oldtimer said:
Soapweed said:
Oldtimer said:
But it won't matter-- GW and his neocon cronies in the White House have made the word Republican so dirty and reprehensible- that Hillary will walk into the White House in 08 with total control of both houses of Congress... :(

Don't give up the ship yet. It ain't over 'til it's over. I just hope your vote will not be one of the ones for Hillary.

Not even if she was the only one running will that Queen get my vote...

To me she fits in her own class- along with Stalin, Hitler, Attila the Hun.....

I doubt if even Bill would call her "Hun." :wink:
 

loomixguy

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Soapweed said:
Oldtimer said:
Soapweed said:
Don't give up the ship yet. It ain't over 'til it's over. I just hope your vote will not be one of the ones for Hillary.

Not even if she was the only one running will that Queen get my vote...

To me she fits in her own class- along with Stalin, Hitler, Attila the Hun.....

I doubt if even Bill would call her "Hun." :wink:

Makes me wonder what Vince Foster would refer to Hellary as.......if he were still alive, that is; or Jim MacDougal, who went to the pen for Bill and Hillary, if HE were still alive...?? :wink:
 
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