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Why I Can't Vote for Sarah Palin

loomixguy

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And, no...it's not her politics, time as Governor of Alaska, family dynamics, personality, TV show, or any other reason save for one. She's a woman. While some folks may imagine that they "get it", that couldn't be further from the truth.

I like Sarah Palin, truly. She "gets it", for the most part, in my book. She's a breath of fresh air, and, quite simply, a character. But as long as we have boots on the ground in any Muslim country, I could never, ever, vote for her as President of the United States.

See, Barry's Muslim brothers in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, and just about every other Muslim country are taught from day One that women are, at best, not even really second class citizens, actually further down the line than the family pet. Their "Religion of Peace" teaches them this. Hence you have the burkas, head scarves, and total body covering except the eyes, and then some head coverings have lace to even cover the eyes. In short, in those countries, women are treated like cattle, only most folks with cattle treat their cattle far better than Muslims do their women. In the Muslim world, women are around for one thing and one thing only, to give birth to sons, period. Your typical male Muslim would rather engage in sex with young boys/men than with a woman. Hence the old Muslim saying, "women are for babies, but men are for pleasure". Seen pictures or video of Muslim men wearing what could best be called a "man-dress"? Easy access for their homosexual trysts. My relatives and friends who have served in Iraq, Afghanistan, Dubai, etc., have all told me the same thing about these followers of Islam. In Dubai, every Tuesday is the day all men get a free pass to be rump rangers.

How does this figure in to my never voting for Sarah Palin? Easy. If this country, in the forseeable future, were to elect a female President, it would be taken as an immediate sign of weakness by our Muslim pals, and we would more than likely have another 9/11 on our hands PDQ. This seems remarkable due to the fact we now have the weakest person ever in the Oval Office (even weaker than Jimmy Carter, and that is saying something...{American hostages in Iran for 444 days come to mind?}) but it should be considered.

I certainly don't want to see another 9/11, in this country or anywhere else. I don't want the Muslims to perceive us as weak, but that is sure to be the case if Sarah Palin, or any other woman, for that matter, were to be elected President. Remember, we are not dealing with forward thinking people here, but rather folks still in the stone age. Stoning pun intended.
 

jigs

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we just need to play "Cowboys and Muslims" how can a society that treats people like that even be going on in this day and age ? and to have our own Govt. basicaly IGNORE the truth, and try to baffle us with BullSh!t is ignorant.....
 

loomixguy

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Jiggsy, these hardcore Muslims are not, nor have they ever been, normal. I wasn't surprised that the CBS reporter was raped in Egypt while the 200 thugs shouted "Jew! Jew! Jew!" during her attack. Although she is not Jewish, these folks can't tell the difference. That is what blind rage and hatred, along with centuries of stone age life, will do to the repressed and gullible.

These people are not our friends.
 

Tam

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Sorry Loomix but I take great offence to your reasoning. We have Women Congressmen and Senator writing the laws of the land , we had a woman Sec of State negotiating deals with foreign leaders, we have Women Governors and women heads of Federal Departments but due to Muslim extremist's view on women, women can not excel to President of the US as it will provoke another 9/11 event. :shock:

Was it a Woman in the Office of the President of the US that provoked the first attack. NO What provoked the first attack and ALL ATTACKS is the muslim belief that all non Muslim Islam believers have to become believers or DIE. ALL NON BELIEVER MEN INCLUDED By holding a Women back and telling them they can't become President because of Muslim beliefs is feeding the muslims power and beliefs that women are not worthy of high office. :roll: That is just wrong coming from a country that is suppose to be forward think and advanced past the MEN STRONG WOMAN WEAK CRAP.
 

Larrry

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I don't know if I would vote for her. She does have the right to speak and the respect to not distort and trash her because the left wing media says so.

Weaker than obama, no way in he!! she could be considered weaker than the bowing btard.
 

Tam

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loomixguy said:
Jiggsy, these hardcore Muslims are not, nor have they ever been, normal. I wasn't surprised that the CBS reporter was raped in Egypt while the 200 thugs shouted "Jew! Jew! Jew!" during her attack. Although she is not Jewish, these folks can't tell the difference. That is what blind rage and hatred, along with centuries of stone age life, will do to the repressed and gullible.

These people are not our friends.


True Hardcore Muslims are not normal and not our friends but by all reports they are the exception. Most Muslims do not believe what the HARDCORE Muslim Terrorist believe so to paint all Egyptan protestors with the same brush due to a female being raped is just wrong. The trouble makers that were sent out by Mubarak are no different that the thugs, people like US UNIONS send out to intimidate protestors here. Sure some got carried away but most foreign reporters were beat both male and female and only ONE female was actually rape. I feel horrible that she went through it but it is nothing you can guarantee would not happen if our leaders looking to hold onto power incited a bunch of inter city gang members into violence and turn them loose on protestors in the US.

I would not lay odds that some American wingnut looking to intimidate the opposing protestors would not take any opportunity to rape a woman especially if they knew the government that set them free to do as they may was going to look the other way.

Men will be men and rapists will be rapists give an opportunity no matter their religous beliefs.
 

jingo2

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Tam said:
loomixguy said:
Jiggsy, these hardcore Muslims are not, nor have they ever been, normal. I wasn't surprised that the CBS reporter was raped in Egypt while the 200 thugs shouted "Jew! Jew! Jew!" during her attack. Although she is not Jewish, these folks can't tell the difference. That is what blind rage and hatred, along with centuries of stone age life, will do to the repressed and gullible.

These people are not our friends.


True Hardcore Muslims are not normal and not our friends but by all reports they are the exception. Most Muslims do not believe what the HARDCORE Muslim Terrorist believe so to paint all Egyptan protestors with the same brush due to a female being raped is just wrong. The trouble makers that were sent out by Mubarak are no different that the thugs, people like US UNIONS send out to intimidate protestors here. Sure some got carried away but most foreign reporters were beat both male and female and only ONE female was actually rape. I feel horrible that she went through it but it is nothing you can guarantee would not happen if our leaders looking to hold onto power incited a bunch of inter city gang members into violence and turn them loose on protestors in the US.

I would not lay odds that some American wingnut looking to intimidate the opposing protestors would not take any opportunity to rape a woman especially if they knew the government that set them free to do as they may was going to look the other way.

Men will be men and rapists will be rapists give an opportunity no matter their religous beliefs.


Hmmm...kinda like the local 'wing-nut' here that ended up with the Federals Boys at his kitchen table?????
 

hypocritexposer

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jingo2 said:
Tam said:
loomixguy said:
Jiggsy, these hardcore Muslims are not, nor have they ever been, normal. I wasn't surprised that the CBS reporter was raped in Egypt while the 200 thugs shouted "Jew! Jew! Jew!" during her attack. Although she is not Jewish, these folks can't tell the difference. That is what blind rage and hatred, along with centuries of stone age life, will do to the repressed and gullible.

These people are not our friends.


True Hardcore Muslims are not normal and not our friends but by all reports they are the exception. Most Muslims do not believe what the HARDCORE Muslim Terrorist believe so to paint all Egyptan protestors with the same brush due to a female being raped is just wrong. The trouble makers that were sent out by Mubarak are no different that the thugs, people like US UNIONS send out to intimidate protestors here. Sure some got carried away but most foreign reporters were beat both male and female and only ONE female was actually rape. I feel horrible that she went through it but it is nothing you can guarantee would not happen if our leaders looking to hold onto power incited a bunch of inter city gang members into violence and turn them loose on protestors in the US.

I would not lay odds that some American wingnut looking to intimidate the opposing protestors would not take any opportunity to rape a woman especially if they knew the government that set them free to do as they may was going to look the other way.

Men will be men and rapists will be rapists give an opportunity no matter their religous beliefs.


Hmmm...kinda like the local 'wing-nut' here that ended up with the Federals Boys at his kitchen table?????


Do you mean the Fed boys that saw nothing wrong in what was said, enjoyed a cup of coffee and left, all on your dime, because obama is paranoid and uses race and religion to create devision?

How's that border security working out?
 

Larrry

Well-known member
jingo2 said:
Tam said:
loomixguy said:
Jiggsy, these hardcore Muslims are not, nor have they ever been, normal. I wasn't surprised that the CBS reporter was raped in Egypt while the 200 thugs shouted "Jew! Jew! Jew!" during her attack. Although she is not Jewish, these folks can't tell the difference. That is what blind rage and hatred, along with centuries of stone age life, will do to the repressed and gullible.

These people are not our friends.


True Hardcore Muslims are not normal and not our friends but by all reports they are the exception. Most Muslims do not believe what the HARDCORE Muslim Terrorist believe so to paint all Egyptan protestors with the same brush due to a female being raped is just wrong. The trouble makers that were sent out by Mubarak are no different that the thugs, people like US UNIONS send out to intimidate protestors here. Sure some got carried away but most foreign reporters were beat both male and female and only ONE female was actually rape. I feel horrible that she went through it but it is nothing you can guarantee would not happen if our leaders looking to hold onto power incited a bunch of inter city gang members into violence and turn them loose on protestors in the US.

I would not lay odds that some American wingnut looking to intimidate the opposing protestors would not take any opportunity to rape a woman especially if they knew the government that set them free to do as they may was going to look the other way.

Men will be men and rapists will be rapists give an opportunity no matter their religous beliefs.


Hmmm...kinda like the local 'wing-nut' here that ended up with the Federals Boys at his kitchen table?????


Enlighten us, how does that pertain to this post?
 

Steve

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See, Barry's Muslim brothers in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, and just about every other Muslim country are taught from day One that women are, at best, not even really second class citizens, actually further down the line than the family pet. Their "Religion of Peace" teaches them this. Hence you have the burkas, head scarves, and total body covering except the eyes, and then some head coverings have lace to even cover the eyes. In short, in those countries, women are treated like cattle, only most folks with cattle treat their cattle far better than Muslims do their women.

all the more reason to vote for her in my opinion.

If we can't elect who we want when we want, then they have won...

We should never concede to barbaric cultures..
 

TSR

Well-known member
loomixguy said:
And, no...it's not her politics, time as Governor of Alaska, family dynamics, personality, TV show, or any other reason save for one. She's a woman. While some folks may imagine that they "get it", that couldn't be further from the truth.

I like Sarah Palin, truly. She "gets it", for the most part, in my book. She's a breath of fresh air, and, quite simply, a character. But as long as we have boots on the ground in any Muslim country, I could never, ever, vote for her as President of the United States.

See, Barry's Muslim brothers in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, and just about every other Muslim country are taught from day One that women are, at best, not even really second class citizens, actually further down the line than the family pet. Their "Religion of Peace" teaches them this. Hence you have the burkas, head scarves, and total body covering except the eyes, and then some head coverings have lace to even cover the eyes. In short, in those countries, women are treated like cattle, only most folks with cattle treat their cattle far better than Muslims do their women. In the Muslim world, women are around for one thing and one thing only, to give birth to sons, period. Your typical male Muslim would rather engage in sex with young boys/men than with a woman. Hence the old Muslim saying, "women are for babies, but men are for pleasure". Seen pictures or video of Muslim men wearing what could best be called a "man-dress"? Easy access for their homosexual trysts. My relatives and friends who have served in Iraq, Afghanistan, Dubai, etc., have all told me the same thing about these followers of Islam. In Dubai, every Tuesday is the day all men get a free pass to be rump rangers.

How does this figure in to my never voting for Sarah Palin? Easy. If this country, in the forseeable future, were to elect a female President, it would be taken as an immediate sign of weakness by our Muslim pals, and we would more than likely have another 9/11 on our hands PDQ. This seems remarkable due to the fact we now have the weakest person ever in the Oval Office (even weaker than Jimmy Carter, and that is saying something...{American hostages in Iran for 444 days come to mind?}) but it should be considered.

I certainly don't want to see another 9/11, in this country or anywhere else. I don't want the Muslims to perceive us as weak, but that is sure to be the case if Sarah Palin, or any other woman, for that matter, were to be elected President. Remember, we are not dealing with forward thinking people here, but rather folks still in the stone age. Stoning pun intended.

To each his own, but personally I wouldn't vote for or against a person based solely on gender. But its a afree country.
 

jigs

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if she does get voted in, at least there will something good looking in the White House for a change....Michelle is an ugly duckling, and compounds that fact with the stuff she wears ...
 

Tam

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jigs said:
if she does get voted in, at least there will something good looking in the White House for a change....Michelle is an ugly duckling, and compounds that fact with the stuff she wears ...

Sarah would be replacing That ugly duck in the Oval Office :wink: the First Dude would be replacing the Ugly duckling Michelle and you are right he is not to hard to look at. :wink: :D
 

loomixguy

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Well, Miss Tam, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about voting for Sarah, or any other woman for President, at this time. As far as "letting the Muslims win", they already have. Read Triangle Bar's thread about the Muslim Depravaty and the media's silence. All the media and UN wants to do is blame Israel for these actions. The media is complicit in these actions, IMO.

I do realize that women here are a very integral part of the political process, but they only have been since 1920. As I stated before, I have no problem with Sarah, or women in office, EXCEPT the office of President, as long as we have boots on the ground in an Islamic country. Then images of Sheila Jackson Lee, Pelosi, Hillary, and Frau Blucher herself, Madeline Albright, flashed in my mind. Somebody damn sure voted for the first three. Why isn't Hillary over there, setting things right? She's the Secretary of State, and, according to her, the smartest woman in the world. Ought to be easy for her.
 

Triangle Bar

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Tam said:
loomixguy said:
Jiggsy, these hardcore Muslims are not, nor have they ever been, normal. I wasn't surprised that the CBS reporter was raped in Egypt while the 200 thugs shouted "Jew! Jew! Jew!" during her attack. Although she is not Jewish, these folks can't tell the difference. That is what blind rage and hatred, along with centuries of stone age life, will do to the repressed and gullible.

These people are not our friends.


True Hardcore Muslims are not normal and not our friends but by all reports they are the exception. Most Muslims do not believe what the HARDCORE Muslim Terrorist believe so to paint all Egyptan protestors with the same brush due to a female being raped is just wrong. The trouble makers that were sent out by Mubarak are no different that the thugs, people like US UNIONS send out to intimidate protestors here. Sure some got carried away but most foreign reporters were beat both male and female and only ONE female was actually rape. I feel horrible that she went through it but it is nothing you can guarantee would not happen if our leaders looking to hold onto power incited a bunch of inter city gang members into violence and turn them loose on protestors in the US.

I would not lay odds that some American wingnut looking to intimidate the opposing protestors would not take any opportunity to rape a woman especially if they knew the government that set them free to do as they may was going to look the other way.

Men will be men and rapists will be rapists give an opportunity no matter their religous beliefs.

Like you told loomixguy, your reasoning is offensive.

Not all men are rapists. Criminal depravity is criminal depravity.

Their religion is an evil Idolatry, similar to Japan's Shintoism of the WW II era. Only through the overwhelming defeat of imperial Japan, did they turn from their idolatry. The continued regurgitation of the 'Religion of Peace' bu!!stuff will be doom of the civilized world.
 

Tam

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Triangle Bar said:
Tam said:
loomixguy said:
Jiggsy, these hardcore Muslims are not, nor have they ever been, normal. I wasn't surprised that the CBS reporter was raped in Egypt while the 200 thugs shouted "Jew! Jew! Jew!" during her attack. Although she is not Jewish, these folks can't tell the difference. That is what blind rage and hatred, along with centuries of stone age life, will do to the repressed and gullible.

These people are not our friends.


True Hardcore Muslims are not normal and not our friends but by all reports they are the exception. Most Muslims do not believe what the HARDCORE Muslim Terrorist believe so to paint all Egyptan protestors with the same brush due to a female being raped is just wrong. The trouble makers that were sent out by Mubarak are no different that the thugs, people like US UNIONS send out to intimidate protestors here. Sure some got carried away but most foreign reporters were beat both male and female and only ONE female was actually rape. I feel horrible that she went through it but it is nothing you can guarantee would not happen if our leaders looking to hold onto power incited a bunch of inter city gang members into violence and turn them loose on protestors in the US.

I would not lay odds that some American wingnut looking to intimidate the opposing protestors would not take any opportunity to rape a woman especially if they knew the government that set them free to do as they may was going to look the other way.

Men will be men and rapists will be rapists give an opportunity no matter their religous beliefs.

Like you told loomixguy, your reasoning is offensive.

Not all men are rapists. Criminal depravity is criminal depravity.

Their religion is an evil Idolatry, similar to Japan's Shintoism of the WW II era. Only through the overwhelming defeat of imperial Japan, did they turn from their idolatry. The continued regurgitation of the 'Religion of Peace' bu!!stuff will be doom of the civilized world.

I never said all men were rapists.

Men will be men AS IN they will stand up for what is right and protect others when violence breaks out. Or did you miss the reports that said protesters did step in and got the foreign reporters to safety and medical attention. THOSE WERE MEN.

And sorry but yes Rapists will be rapists if given a chance to attack they will. Especially if they know the government is not going to do a damn thing to stop them.

Can we say it was their religous beliefs that made them do what they did from both sides of the actions?

Men will be Men AS IN act like men and protect others.
Rapists will be Rapists and rape if given the opportunity.

Religion has little to do with it or every woman in a Muslim country would be at risk of rape 24/7. Oh BTW I would bet the reason women are not at risk of multiple rapes 24/7 in those countries is because those countries also have MEN that do not believe it is right of a any man to take any woman at will.
 

Triangle Bar

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Religion has little to do with it or every woman in a Muslim country would be at risk of rape 24/7. Oh BTW I would bet the reason women are not at risk of multiple rapes 24/7 in those countries is because those countries also have MEN that do not believe it is right of a any man to take any woman at will.
It's Sharia Law and the right of men.

Posted by minncon (Profile)
Tuesday, September 14th at 11:47PM EDT

This will be my final of four diaries on the content of Sharia Law, offered here on RedState so that members can see the words and read the “laws” for themselves. In this way, they will not have to endure the weaseling of media mollifiers or whitewashing clerics as to what those currently in charge of Islam actually believe.

I make the above statement because, while preparing these pieces for my diary, I have also ventured into the Koran itself, and have found that many of its verses do exhibit a tranquility and respect for fellow man (albeit only for “believers,” not infidels) that is definitely missing from Sharia law.

It almost appears that Sharia Law may be to Islam as the Rules of the Spanish Inquisition were to Christianity… a warping of the spirit of the religion by the hands of cruel, vengeful power-hungry lawyer-esque types.

Perhaps I will continue reading the Koran directly, and come back to you with some of the real beauty and, if I find it, the real brutality contained within its covers.

Until then, as promised, here is how Sharia deals with rape, allegations of rape, women who claim to have been raped, etc. Unlike my other pieces - which referred directly to the language of Sharia - I have had to gather the following information from interpretative sources on the subject. Apparently this part of Sharia isn’t as black-and-white, but relies much more on traditions and interpretations. The author of the piece quoted here is a Director of Sharia Law in Canada, and is an observer and crusader against the misapplication of Islamic principles to punish women.

How Sharia Law Punishes Raped Women
by Hasan Mahmud


Hasan Mahmud is the Director of Sharia Law of the Muslim Canadian Congress. He played a vital role in the successful movement against the Toronto Sharia Court. The court had been established in 1991 (and functioning since then) with the blessing of Ontario law and was banned in 2003 when the Ontario Government enacted a new law banning all faith-courts. He has authored books, debates, 2 docu-dramas and a docu-movie on Sharia. He has also spoken on Sharia in various conferences in Europe and North America.

On October 30, 2008, the United Nations condemned the stoning to death of Aisha Duhulowa, a 13-year-old girl who had been gang-raped and then sentenced to death by a Sharia court for fornication (Zina). She was screaming and begging for mercy, but when some family members attempted to intervene, shots were fired by the Islamic militia and a baby was killed.

Local Sharia courts in Bangladesh regularly punish raped minor girls and women by flogging and beating them with shoes.[1] Similar cases of punishing raped women are Mina v. the State, Bibi v. the State and Bahadur v. the State.[2] Sharia courts in Pakistan have punished thousands of raped women by long term imprisonment.[3]

You might think that such horrific barbarity cannot be the real Sharia law; that it is a misapplication of the law by ignorant clergy. Sadly, neither is true.

There is a traceable dynamic in Sharia Law that is bound to lead to this barbarity. And unless we abandon these laws we will never be able to emerge from this barbarity. It was a blunder that Muslim jurists included rape in the Hudood section of Sharia Law that deals with murder, bodily harm, apostasy, drinking, defamation, theft, adultery and highway robbery. But anyone who tried to change these laws ended up banging their heads against the wall. Mawdudi, the founding father of modern Political Islam, claims that even if all the world’s Muslims together wanted to make the slightest change in these laws, they would not be allowed to do so.[4]

Another key element of these laws is that only eye-witnesses are acceptable and no circumstantial evidence can be accepted.[5] Rape is included in the Dyat (monetary compensation for bodily harm) section of Sharia Law because it is considered as “Bodily Harm” or “Robbing Property” (chastity). This classification led jurists to create these laws:

* A rapist is obliged to pay the victim the amount typically received as marriage payment to similar brides.[6]

* “If the rapist cannot be punished for any reason he will pay the victim the amount equal to bride-money.”[7]

As no other punishment is mentioned, the punishment of rape can be only financial compensation. But Jurists missed the point that rape is a crime of its own kind. It has a devastating psychological and social impact on raped women. They are shamed to death, socially outcast, unsuitable for marriage, bring shame on the family and in some countries become the victims of honor killing. Many raped women commit suicide in Muslim countries.

The Quranic word “Zina” means sexual relation between a man and woman not married to each other. It is called adultery for married persons and fornication for unmarried ones. The Quran severely prohibits Zina. Muslim jurists also included rape in the category of Zina because in rape cases such sexual relations “between a man and woman not married to each other,” even though forced on the victim, have taken place. As rape is not mentioned in the Quran, the death sentence for rapists originated from the Prophet’s example: “Narrated Wa’il ibn Hujr: When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her. …he said: Stone him to death”.[8]

The laws are so clear about defining rape and the requirement for proof of rape that a judge has no option but punish the rape victims.

When rape is caught or reported, “sex between a man and woman not married to each other” can be proven by testimony, physical evidences of bodily scars/bruises, torn clothing or pregnancy of the victim. Then the Sharia laws are enforced.

Sharia Law: The rapist will be punished to death if force on the victim is proven.[9]

Clear enough. But exactly how can “force on the victim” be proven? The answer must surely rank as one of the most insane and sexist laws in human history.

(A) “Proof of Zina (adultery) or Zina Bil-Jabr (rape) liable to Hadd shall be one of the following:

(a) The accused makes confession or

(b) There are at least four Muslim adult male witnesses”[10]

(B) “Proof of adultery or rape liable to Hadd shall be one of the following:

(a) The accused makes confession, or

(b) There are at least four Muslim adult male witnesses.”[11]

(C) “Punishment will take place when Zina or rape have been proved by witness.”[12]

(D) Sharia Law rejects the witness of women in Hudood cases.[13]

(E) “The evidence of women is originally inadmissible on account of their weakness of understanding, want of memory and incapacity of governing.”[14]

Because such “proofs” are almost impossible to obtain and because circumstantial evidence is not accepted, a rape cannot be proved as rape in a Sharia court. Instead, “sex outside marriage” is proved for the woman by her complaint or physical scars or torn cloths or pregnancy etc. Then the law of “Punishment for Sex Outside Marriage” i.e. stoning to death for married adulterers and flogging and exile for unmarried adulterers are applied to the rape-victims.[15]

On the other hand, a rapist has simply to deny the crime and go scott free. As the New York Times reports: “Ms. Lawal, a divorced woman, identified a man as the father of her child. The man denied the charge, swore on the Koran, and was deemed innocent by the trial court. No one suggested DNA tests.”[16]

But DNA tests have no place in Hudood Laws either. The BBC reported that Zafran Bibi of Pakistan “went to the police to register a case of rape, but she herself was instead sentenced to death for having an adulterous affair.”[17]

About conducting a DNA test to identify the rapist, the Dawn reports: “Justice Ali Nawaz Chauhan of the Lahore High Court has observed that the DNA test is not acceptable as evidence to establish the offence of Zina under the Hudood laws which require a direct testimony in such cases..”[18]

This is how Sharia Law punishes raped women.

The sources of these laws span the period from the 7th century to recent times. Some Muslim countries have withdrawn from the application of these laws, but these laws are still alive and active in many Muslim societies. Many Muslims talk about it, but there has never been a concerted effort to end this barbarity.

NOTES:

[1] The Daily Star on 04 April 2006

[2] “Rape Law in Islamic Societies” by Julie Norman, CSID 6th Annual Conference

[3] Annual report of the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, May 2004 - Ref - National Commission on the Status of Women in Pakistan.

[4] Islamic Law and Constitution - page 140.

[5] Codified Islamic Law Vol 2 page 600

[6] Shafi’i Law Reliance of the Traveler -# m.8.10

[7] Codified Islamic Law Vol 1 page 301

[8] Abu Dawood Book 38, Hadis# Number 4366

[9] Codified Islami Law Volume 1 Law#134, Shafi’i law Reliance of the Traveler - o.7.3

[10] Pakistan Hudood Ordinance VII of 1979 amended by Ordinance XX of 1980

[11] Codified Islami Law Volume 1 Law#133

[12] Ibid Law #135

[13] Hanafi Law-Page 176, 353, Shafi’i Law- page 638 Law#o.24.9, Criminal Law in Islam and the Muslim World -page 251, The Penal Law of Islam - Kazi Publications Lahore- page 44, 45, Tafsir of Translation of the Qura’an by Muhiuddin Khan pages 239 and 928

[14] The Penal Law of Islam - Kazi Publications Lahore- page 44 - 45

[15] Hanafi Law Hedaya 178, Codified Islamic Law#129 Vol 1, Sunan Abu Dawood Book 38,4451& 4423

[16]
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.htmlres=9900E0D9153DF935A1575AC0A9659C8B63

[17] http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/03_06_02/thursday/info1.shtml

[18] http://www.dawn.com/2005/05/21/top4.htm

http://www.redstate.com/minncon/2010/09/14/the-final-sharia-sampler-rape-under-islamic-law/
 

CattleArmy

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jigs said:
if she does get voted in, at least there will something good looking in the White House for a change....Michelle is an ugly duckling, and compounds that fact with the stuff she wears ...

Michelle wears some clothing that the everyday person can afford. To me that's impressive when she's got on a dress anyone can afford. What Sarah wore was quite expensive and led to scandle. Do you recall that?
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
CattleArmy said:
jigs said:
if she does get voted in, at least there will something good looking in the White House for a change....Michelle is an ugly duckling, and compounds that fact with the stuff she wears ...

Michelle wears some clothing that the everyday person can afford. To me that's impressive when she's got on a dress anyone can afford. What Sarah wore was quite expensive and led to scandle. Do you recall that?



expensive and led to scandal, Hmmmm?


In a surprising departure from her usual favored labels, Michelle Obama wore outfits from British-based designers Roksanda Illinic and Alexander McQueen. The once eponymous Alexander McQueen label now has Sarah Burton at the helm, having worked closely with the late designer, who committed suicide in January 2010.

Rather than praising the First Lady’s eclectic taste in fashion, however, her daring choice has proved controversial in some fashion circles. This includes the views of the iconic designer Oscar de la Renta, who has had plenty of experience dressing First Ladies, including Hilary Clinton and Laura Bush, and potential First Lady during the 2008 US election campaign, Cindy McCain.

Oscar de la Renta let his feelings be known in an interview with Women’s Wear Daily on January 21st, 2011. He questioned why Michelle Obama was wearing European clothes, when the purpose of the state visit was to promote American and Chinese relations, including Chinese products in America and vice-versa. However, the First Lady chose to go in another direction when it came to her wardrobe; opting not to go for Asian designers such as Taiwanese-born Jason Wu or Chinese-born Vera Wang.

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THE APPLICATION OF SHARIA LAWS IN
EGYPT
Fauzi M. Najjar

Dr. Najjar is Emeritus Professor of Social Science at Michigan State University.

The problem facing Muslim coun-
tries today is how to adapt Is-
lamic Sharia rules and general
principles to the social, political
and economic demands of the present age.
Earlier Muslim societies faced the same
problem and provided solutions for it based
on legal interpretations, invention of
hadiths or the arbitrary will of the ruler,
who always could "persuade" a clever
jurist to come up with a legal device to
sanction his policies. Thus throughout the
centuries, Islamic Sharia developed into a
variegated network of opinions, interpreta-
tions and judgments, derived from various
sources, but always predicated on staying
within the divine law. In the last 100 years
or so, most Muslim states have, voluntarily
or involuntarily, adopted Western-type
codes while paying lip service to their Is-
lamic laws. In most cases, they have found
it much easier to circumvent Islamic rules
than to change them. It was under the
impact of foreign occupation and Western-
ization that European codes replaced the
Sharia in all but matters of personal status.

In the post- World-War-II period, newly
independent Muslim countries, seeking to
assert their identity, included in their con-
stitutions such provisions as "Islam is the
official religion of the state," or "the pres-
ident of the republic must be a Muslim," or
"the principles of the Sharia are the pri-
mary sources of legislation," without giv-
ing any consideration to whether their laws
were consistent with Islamic principles.
This did not go far enough to mollify Mus-
lim fundamentalists, who see in the devel-
opment of the modern state a threat to
Islamic culture and values and who have
been agitating for a true Islamic system.
While Muslims have always aspired to live
by their own laws, the present movement
for the application of the Islamic Sharia is
the product of new forces, political, eco-
nomic and social, which give it a vitality
whose unforeseen consequences are com-
pounded by the fact that Islamic justifica-
tions and rhetoric are used to legitimize
political aspirations.



SHARIA APPLICATION IN
EGYPT
Egypt has always been in the vanguard of
Islamic reform movements. Modernism,
which aimed at adapting Islam to modern
conditions, was articulated in the latter half
of the nineteenth century by Egyptian ju-
rists and scholars. It found its expression
first in the adoption of Western codes and
later in the codification of the Hanafi law of
family and inheritance. Subsequent mod-
ernist legislation encroached on Islamic
law, evoking the opposition of traditional
Sharia law in Egypt applies only in personal status issues - such as marriage, divorce, inheritance, and custody of children. Otherwise the legal system is entirely a secular one, on the model of the French legal system.

Egypt incorporates Islamic law into its constitution by making Islam the official religion of the country and Islamic jurisprudence the principal source of legislation.

Sharia courts and judges, qadis, are run and licensed by the Egyptian Ministry of Justice, not by mosques.

Islamists in Egypt are pressing for Sharia law to be applied in all areas of the legal system.

A non-religious Supreme Court operates above the Sharia personal status courts and the secular criminal courts.

Religious minorities in Egypt are governed under separate personal status laws and courts.

Coptic Christians in Egypt marry under Christian law, and foreigners marry under the laws of their countries of origin.

Middle East .Egypt Women Clash Over Sharia Law After Tahrir Shows Equality
By Caroline Alexander and Mariam Fam - Feb 15, 2011 6:30 PM CT

Fatma Emam’s mother accused her of wanting to be a man and threatened to disown her if the 28-year- old joined the protests in Tahrir Square. She went anyway.

“There are so many women who like me defied their families,” Emam said after spending five days and four nights in downtown Cairo. “The revolution is not only taking place in Tahrir, it is taking place in every Egyptian house. It is the revolution of fighting the patriarch.”

The women who rallied against former President Hosni Mubarak challenged social taboos in a culture that favors men. Now the triumph of the uprising has given way to cautious optimism among liberal activists who want an entirely secular legal code, with no Sharia, or Islamic-based, laws.

They are at odds with other women in the pro-democracy movement as the military sets the stage for the new Egypt, suspending the constitution and dissolving the parliament.

“Women in this country have always participated in revolutionary movements, and then they have had to fight inch by inch to get what they should get when things return to normality,” said Margot Badran, author of “Feminism in Islam: Secular and Religious Convergences” and a senior scholar at the Washington-based Woodrow Wilson Center who was in Cairo when the revolt began Jan. 25. “It is like driving with the emergency brake on. You are driving, but it is pulling you back.”

Husband’s Permission
In Tahrir Square, the site of 18 days of rebellion that ousted Mubarak, women were from disparate groups, veiled and not, Christian and Muslim, Westernized and traditional. They were as outspoken as men, leading chants and banging iron rods on power poles to sound the alert of approaching pro-regime marchers. It was remarkable in a country where until 2000 a wife couldn’t leave the country without her husband’s permission and until 1999 a rapist could avoid prison by marrying his victim.

While Egypt in 1957 was the first Arab country to elect a woman to parliament, just four won positions in 2005. The People’s Assembly then created 64 seats for women. With the legislature disbanded, the fate of the 64-seat quota is unknown.

The military will keep the Mubarak cabinet, which includes four women, in place for the time being during a transition period to a new elected government, according to a statement from the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces. The council appointed a committee Feb. 15 to rewrite the constitution.

Traditional, Conservative Views
As progressive as Egypt has been when compared with some other Arab countries, many in the country hold traditional, conservative views. Women would rather not work outside the home, according to a government study that found about 3 percent of all women in the workforce were in supervisory positions. Divorce for women often comes with stigma. Staying single into one’s 30s brings the label of spinster and pressure to marry. Being the victim of sexual harassment can subject a woman to questions about how modestly she dresses.

The Tahrir Square campaigners were from a mosaic of groups orchestrated largely by young cyber activists holding a broad mix of views on social issues. The country is about 90 percent Muslim, and Egypt’s best organized opposition group, the Muslim Brotherhood, combines public support for democracy with a backing for Sharia law. The brotherhood -- which issued a draft position paper in 2007 that said a woman or a Christian couldn’t be head of state --- announced plans Feb. 15 to form a political party.

Having Four Wives
“The Islamic Sharia does not conflict with freedom and democracy,” Asmaa El-Erian, 21, the daughter of a Muslim Brotherhood leader, Essam El-Erian, who was imprisoned repeatedly by the Mubarak government.

El-Erian’s goals for the new Egypt are in sync with her more liberal sisters when it comes to envisioning greater participation in politics and more power in government, though she said the head of state should always be male because “men are more strict and firm.” She said she rejects the demands of some activists to end a man’s freedom to have four wives.

“God has allowed polygamy,” she said. “Maybe many people don’t prefer it, but it is not religiously forbidden.”

Jehan El-Halafawy, a 59-year-old Muslim Brotherhood member who has run unsuccessfully for parliament, dismissed calls for secular family laws as part of “an external agenda.”

“We cannot deviate from the basics of religion,” she said. “When there are clear religious texts about certain topics, then you cannot open the door for negotiations.”

Open to Interpretation

The idea that women shouldn’t engage in politics or even rule as a head of state, on the other hand, is out of date, El- Halafawy said. “The cultural views in our society are that when women contest politics, they compete and butt heads with men,” she said, “and thus many men reject this.”

Activists like Nehad Abul Komsan, a founder of the Egyptian Centre for Women’s Rights in Cairo, contend that Sharia law, which is based on interpretations of the Koran and religious writings, can lead to discrimination. While women are allowed to file for an expedited divorce in Egypt, they must return their dowries and can’t receive alimony if they do. Men can divorce wives by simply declaring, “I divorce you.” Women inherit half what male family members do.

“More women need to be engaged in the discussions,” Abul Komsan said. “When we talk to leaders they say it is not the time to talk about gender issues; it is the time to talk about the future. But we can’t have a gender-blind future.”

Hurling Stones
Literacy rates are lower for women than men, at 59.7 percent and 83.3 percent respectively, according to the Central Agency for Public Mobilization and Statistics. While women made up 49 percent of the population in 2006, they were 22 percent of the workforce, agency data show.

Estimates by the United Nations and other research groups are that more than 80 percent of women have undergone the genital mutilation that tradition holds protects their chastity. A survey last year of women aged 15 to 29 by the UN Development Programme found 50 percent had been subjected to sexual harassment and 99 percent to verbal harassment from men.

Legal reforms could change that, said Abul Komsan, who links sexual violence to political oppression. “When people feel they aren’t respected,” she said, “why should they respect others?”

In Tahrir Square, women said they weren’t hassled or bullied during the protests.

Support From Afar

“Women were spending the night out there, they were cleaning the streets alongside men, they were hurling stones with the men,” said El-Erian, who was in the plaza for three days. Sally Moore, a 32-year-old who is a member of the Youths’ Coalition of the Egyptian Revolt of Anger, an alliance of protest groups, said women rejected the offers of men to shield them during clashes with pro-regime forces. More than 300 people died in the country during the demonstrations.

“We said, ‘Sorry, we’re just like you,’” Moore said. “Being a woman does not mean that I need your protection or that I have to support you from afar.”

For Nawal El Saadawi, a 79-year-old former political prisoner whose 1969 book “Women and Sex” was banned in Egypt, what was notable was how she was treated with esteem by young men in the Muslim Brotherhood.

“They said, ‘We read your books and we differ on some points but we respect you, we love you and we believe in equality,” she said. “This revolution is making a new social contract. It is creating a new value system.”


Declining Female Representation

Egypt, the most populous Arab country with 80 million people, has a long history of powerful women, with rulers in ancient times that included the pharaohs Cleopatra, Nitocris and Hatshepsut. The Egyptian Feminist Union was founded in 1923 by Hoda Shaarawi, who shocked the country by going unveiled. Rawya Attiya, a Liberation Army officer, became the first Arab female parliamentarian after campaigning in a military uniform.

“Egyptian feminists have inspired women activists across the region across the last century,” said Isobel Coleman, author of “Paradise Beneath Her Feet: How Woman Are Transforming The Middle East” and a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York.

At the same time, Coleman said, a strong Islamic movement “has pulled in another direction.” Women made gains under Mubarak’s authoritarian rule “that in a democratic system probably wouldn’t have passed,” she said. “How these things play out in a more democratic system remains to be seen.”

Under Mubarak, Egypt in 2003 appointed its first female judges and in 2009 named its first female university president.

An Islamic Framework
Still, female representation has declined since 1984, when women occupied 36 of 458 seats, according to the Cairo-based Women Living Under Muslim Laws. The supreme court in April overruled State Council judges who decided women couldn’t serve on the body that settles cases brought against the government because they are too emotional and too busy raising children.

Liberal activists may have to negotiate within an Islamic framework, Coleman said. She said that happened in Morocco, where parliament in 2004 raised the minimum marriage age to 18 established joint responsibility for children and granted women more rights in the negotiation of marriage contracts.

In Egypt, parents like Fatma Emam’s mother often put more restrictions on daughters than sons. Emam, a research associate at Nazra for Feminist Studies in Cairo who describes herself as an Islamic feminist, hasn’t returned home. She said she is “very hopeful about the country’s future.

“People have come out of their shells,” she said. “Egypt is liberated.”

The 25-year-old who helped spark the demonstrations with an online video, Asmaa Mahfouz, said her father refused to allow her to stay in the plaza after dark. “No girl of mine spends the night away from home,” Mahfouz said he told her.

In the video, Mahfouz said: “I, a girl, am going down to Tahrir Square. Come down with us and demand your rights.”

Her foray into politics has changed her, she said. “I was very scared. I was shy, as a girl, to go up to people and talk,” she said. “I have become much stronger.”

To contact the reporters on this story: Caroline Alexander in London at [email protected]; Mariam Fam in Cairo at [email protected]

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Lisa Kassenaar in New York at [email protected];
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Gee it looks Women are not held under STRICT SHARIA LAW in Egypt. Rapists had paid for their crimes against women for over a decade. ANd a daughter stands up to her parents for her beliefs and lives to talk about it. What has Hardcore Sharia Law come to in Egypt :shock: :roll:

Edited to replaces accidentaly deleted sentence which I ment to bold
 
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