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Why I like Independents

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Anonymous

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Why do politicians have to retire before they will tell it like it is?
Friday, July 17, 2009
Jesse Ventura says what he really feels about Sotomayor, Franken, Palin (”I would never vote for her”), Michael Jackson, politician’s private lives (”They spent $100 million to discover Bill Clinton cheated on Hillary, when on 9/11 they only allocated $4 million to find out who killed 3,000 people”), and Obama (”He’s doing a heck of a lot better than his predecessor did”).

Old Jesse says it how it is......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQLFUYX2pfo
 

Sandhusker

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"I don't believe we need the government's help as much as some think we do. That belief sets me apart from the Democrats, since their way of dealing with everything is to tax and spend."

"Government works less efficiently when it begins to grow out of control and takes on more and more of the responsibilities that belong to the citizens. " (Obamacare, OT?)

"Remember that government doesn't earn one single dollar it spends. In order for you to get money from the government, that money must first be taken from somebody else. "
 

Tex

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Sandhusker said:
"I don't believe we need the government's help as much as some think we do. That belief sets me apart from the Democrats, since their way of dealing with everything is to tax and spend."

"Government works less efficiently when it begins to grow out of control and takes on more and more of the responsibilities that belong to the citizens. " (Obamacare, OT?)

"Remember that government doesn't earn one single dollar it spends. In order for you to get money from the government, that money must first be taken from somebody else. "

You are right on this, Sandhusker. We do not need a system where only the government can call the shots. We need rules where ANYONE can have the laws enforced. Unfortunately the when the economics of fraud are such that it requires only the government to bring action, the government can be manipulated by those in power. It ends up being the rule of men, not the rule of law. It ends up with the public being screwed by whatever party is in power and politicians getting paid to decide whether the law is enforced or not. That can only lead to corruption as it has in almost all of our regulatory agencies.

Tex
 

Silver

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Oldtimer said:
Why do politicians have to retire before they will tell it like it is?
Friday, July 17, 2009
Jesse Ventura says what he really feels about Sotomayor, Franken, Palin (”I would never vote for her”), Michael Jackson, politician’s private lives (”They spent $100 million to discover Bill Clinton cheated on Hillary, when on 9/11 they only allocated $4 million to find out who killed 3,000 people”), and Obama (”He’s doing a heck of a lot better than his predecessor did”).

Old Jesse says it how it is......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQLFUYX2pfo

I don't recall Jesse 'The Body' Ventura ever not telling it as he saw it! :D
 

PrairieQueen

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Sandhusker said:
"I don't believe we need the government's help as much as some think we do. That belief sets me apart from the Democrats, since their way of dealing with everything is to tax and spend."

"Government works less efficiently when it begins to grow out of control and takes on more and more of the responsibilities that belong to the citizens. " (Obamacare, OT?)

"Remember that government doesn't earn one single dollar it spends. In order for you to get money from the government, that money must first be taken from somebody else. "

He says this and then says Obama is doing better than Bush? :???:
 

MsSage

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LOL are you SURE you want to use ol Jesse as someone you like????????
Why are you listening to someone who LEFT the USA and is only tearing apart this country???????

Friday, July 17, 2009
Jesse Ventura the Quitter
When I saw the video of Ventura talking about Palin "quitting", I was reminded of Venture quitting the Reform Party and quitting wrestling.

Evidently the former actor who quit acting is forgetting G.I. Jane was just a movie and not real life.

There are legitimate reason for "quitting" or leaving something.

For Ventura, he quit the Reform Party because:

Gov. Jesse Ventura of Minnesota, the Reform Party's highest-ranking elected official, said yesterday that he was resigning from the party over his growing dissatisfaction with its fractured leadership.

Jesse "the quitter" Ventura quit the Reform Party because he didn't like the leadership.

Jesse "the quitter" Ventura blamed the media when he didn't seek a second term and quit politics altogether.

How many ethics complaints did Jesse "the quitter" Ventura have when he was an XFL announcer?

To quote the article:

The governor's comments came a day after Attorney General Mike Hatch issued an opinion determining that Ventura is covered under a state code of ethics regarding outside income. Hatch said it was not within his authority to determine whether Ventura's job as a football analyst is a violation.

(...)

Ventura told the students he wasn't using his office for outside gain, and he said he will quit his stint as an analyst if it interferes with his job as governor.

The ethics code provides certain restrictions on accepting jobs or contracts that could affect the independent judgment of an employee of the state executive branch. Julien Carter, a Department of Employee Relations commissioner, who is in charge of enforcing the ethics code, said last week that the broadcasting job didn't appear to pose an immediate conflict.

None.

Not one damn ethics violation was taken out against the has-been quitter.

And for the record, he blamed the media when the XFL when belly up.

Sound like Navy Seal material?

Jesse Ventura quit wrestling, quit acting, quit the Reform Party, quit politics and quit living in the U.S. and now lives in Mexico.

There is one thing he hasn't quit though and that is making an ass of himself.
 
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PrairieQueen said:
Sandhusker said:
"I don't believe we need the government's help as much as some think we do. That belief sets me apart from the Democrats, since their way of dealing with everything is to tax and spend."

"Government works less efficiently when it begins to grow out of control and takes on more and more of the responsibilities that belong to the citizens. " (Obamacare, OT?)

"Remember that government doesn't earn one single dollar it spends. In order for you to get money from the government, that money must first be taken from somebody else. "

He says this and then says Obama is doing better than Bush? :???:

You apparently slept thru the Bush regime-eh? The Zillions $ spent playing in the Sandpit for his oil buddies?

I've found that most folks don't mind paying taxes- in order to get some services and improve the conditions of the country-and they can see they are getting something in return or investing in the countries future-but when its borrowed to go nation building- and all given to another country to build its infrastructure so the oil companies can move in thats another thing...
Especially when they were lied to and told that the Bush Oil War would cost almost nothing.....

I agree with old Jesse on this- and especially that we need more common citizens in government and less career politicians....
 

Sandhusker

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I guess the alternative of going in there, blowing the hell out of the country, and then just leaving so that the radicals could come in and take over would of been a much better choice. :roll:
 

fff

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Sandhusker said:
I guess the alternative of going in there, blowing the hell out of the country, and then just leaving so that the radicals could come in and take over would of been a much better choice. :roll:

Oh, you mean like the current governor of Alaska? She promised to serve the people of Alaska for four years. Now she's decided that was too hard. It'll be much easier for her to go around talking about how things oughta be than actually working to make them be. So she's quit on the voters of Alaska. Tut tut. :lol:

(My bold)
 
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Sandhusker said:
I guess the alternative of going in there, blowing the hell out of the country, and then just leaving so that the radicals could come in and take over would of been a much better choice. :roll:

How about just staying the Hell out of there :???: You keep saying you're a conservative- and staying out of foreign interventions is a long time strong conservative value....Only neocons believe in nationbuilding and being policemen to the world...

It would have helped in the Congress's and publics decision about the war if we hadn't been lied to by the Bush Crew on the cost too...


"Iraq is a very wealthy country. Enormous oil reserves. They can finance, largely finance the reconstruction of their own country. And I have no doubt that they will."
- Richard Perle, Chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board, 7/11/02

"The likely economic effects [of the war in Iraq] would be relatively small... Under every plausible scenario, the negative effect will be quite small relative to the economic benefits."
- Lawrence Lindsey, White House Economic Advisor, 9/16/02

"It is unimaginable that the United States would have to contribute hundreds of billions of dollars and highly unlikely that we would have to contribute even tens of billions of dollars."
- Kenneth M. Pollack, former Director for Persian Gulf Affairs, U.S. National Security Council, 9/02

"The costs of any intervention would be very small."
- Glenn Hubbard, White House Economic Advisor, 10/4/02

"When it comes to reconstruction, before we turn to the American taxpayer, we will turn first to the resources of the Iraqi government and the international community."
- Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense, 3/27/03

"There is a lot of money to pay for this that doesn't have to be U.S. taxpayer money, and it starts with the assets of the Iraqi people. We are talking about a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon."
- Paul Wolfowitz, U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense, testifying before the Defense Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee, 3/27/03

"The United States is committed to helping Iraq recover from the conflict, but Iraq will not require sustained aid."
- Mitchell Daniels, Director, White House Office of Management and Budget, 4/21/03

"Iraq has tremendous resources that belong to the Iraqi people. And so there are a variety of means that Iraq has to be able to shoulder much of the burden for ther own reconstruction."
- Ari Fleischer, White House Press Secretary, 2/18/03
 

Sandhusker

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fff said:
Sandhusker said:
I guess the alternative of going in there, blowing the hell out of the country, and then just leaving so that the radicals could come in and take over would of been a much better choice. :roll:

Oh, you mean like the current governor of Alaska? She promised to serve the people of Alaska for four years. Now she's decided that was too hard. It'll be much easier for her to go around talking about how things oughta be than actually working to make them be. So she's quit on the voters of Alaska. Tut tut. :lol:

(My bold)

You mean like the former junior Senator from Illinois? He promised to serve in that office for 6 years - claimed that he was unqualified for anything higher.
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
I guess the alternative of going in there, blowing the hell out of the country, and then just leaving so that the radicals could come in and take over would of been a much better choice. :roll:

How about just staying the Hell out of there :???: You keep saying you're a conservative- and staying out of foreign interventions is a long time strong conservative value....Only neocons believe in nationbuilding and being policemen to the world...

It would have helped in the Congress's and publics decision about the war if we hadn't been lied to by the Bush Crew on the cost too...


"Iraq is a very wealthy country. Enormous oil reserves. They can finance, largely finance the reconstruction of their own country. And I have no doubt that they will."
- Richard Perle, Chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board, 7/11/02

"The likely economic effects [of the war in Iraq] would be relatively small... Under every plausible scenario, the negative effect will be quite small relative to the economic benefits."
- Lawrence Lindsey, White House Economic Advisor, 9/16/02

"It is unimaginable that the United States would have to contribute hundreds of billions of dollars and highly unlikely that we would have to contribute even tens of billions of dollars."
- Kenneth M. Pollack, former Director for Persian Gulf Affairs, U.S. National Security Council, 9/02

"The costs of any intervention would be very small."
- Glenn Hubbard, White House Economic Advisor, 10/4/02

"When it comes to reconstruction, before we turn to the American taxpayer, we will turn first to the resources of the Iraqi government and the international community."
- Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense, 3/27/03

"There is a lot of money to pay for this that doesn't have to be U.S. taxpayer money, and it starts with the assets of the Iraqi people. We are talking about a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon."
- Paul Wolfowitz, U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense, testifying before the Defense Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee, 3/27/03

"The United States is committed to helping Iraq recover from the conflict, but Iraq will not require sustained aid."
- Mitchell Daniels, Director, White House Office of Management and Budget, 4/21/03

"Iraq has tremendous resources that belong to the Iraqi people. And so there are a variety of means that Iraq has to be able to shoulder much of the burden for ther own reconstruction."
- Ari Fleischer, White House Press Secretary, 2/18/03

The commitment was made by Bush 1 in desert storm. I wouldn't expect a group of people that don't understand the concept of personal responsibility to understand following through with commitments.
 

fff

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Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
I guess the alternative of going in there, blowing the hell out of the country, and then just leaving so that the radicals could come in and take over would of been a much better choice. :roll:

How about just staying the Hell out of there :???: You keep saying you're a conservative- and staying out of foreign interventions is a long time strong conservative value....Only neocons believe in nationbuilding and being policemen to the world...

It would have helped in the Congress's and publics decision about the war if we hadn't been lied to by the Bush Crew on the cost too...


"Iraq is a very wealthy country. Enormous oil reserves. They can finance, largely finance the reconstruction of their own country. And I have no doubt that they will."
- Richard Perle, Chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board, 7/11/02

"The likely economic effects [of the war in Iraq] would be relatively small... Under every plausible scenario, the negative effect will be quite small relative to the economic benefits."
- Lawrence Lindsey, White House Economic Advisor, 9/16/02

"It is unimaginable that the United States would have to contribute hundreds of billions of dollars and highly unlikely that we would have to contribute even tens of billions of dollars."
- Kenneth M. Pollack, former Director for Persian Gulf Affairs, U.S. National Security Council, 9/02

"The costs of any intervention would be very small."
- Glenn Hubbard, White House Economic Advisor, 10/4/02

"When it comes to reconstruction, before we turn to the American taxpayer, we will turn first to the resources of the Iraqi government and the international community."
- Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense, 3/27/03

"There is a lot of money to pay for this that doesn't have to be U.S. taxpayer money, and it starts with the assets of the Iraqi people. We are talking about a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon."
- Paul Wolfowitz, U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense, testifying before the Defense Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee, 3/27/03

"The United States is committed to helping Iraq recover from the conflict, but Iraq will not require sustained aid."
- Mitchell Daniels, Director, White House Office of Management and Budget, 4/21/03

"Iraq has tremendous resources that belong to the Iraqi people. And so there are a variety of means that Iraq has to be able to shoulder much of the burden for ther own reconstruction."
- Ari Fleischer, White House Press Secretary, 2/18/03

The commitment was made by Bush 1 in desert storm. I wouldn't expect a group of people that don't understand the concept of personal responsibility to understand following through with commitments.

"Personal responsibility" is one thing, but the President of the United States is not authorized to make treaties by himself. He represents the country, but he's not the country.
 
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Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
I guess the alternative of going in there, blowing the hell out of the country, and then just leaving so that the radicals could come in and take over would of been a much better choice. :roll:

How about just staying the Hell out of there :???: You keep saying you're a conservative- and staying out of foreign interventions is a long time strong conservative value....Only neocons believe in nationbuilding and being policemen to the world...

It would have helped in the Congress's and publics decision about the war if we hadn't been lied to by the Bush Crew on the cost too...


"Iraq is a very wealthy country. Enormous oil reserves. They can finance, largely finance the reconstruction of their own country. And I have no doubt that they will."
- Richard Perle, Chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board, 7/11/02

"The likely economic effects [of the war in Iraq] would be relatively small... Under every plausible scenario, the negative effect will be quite small relative to the economic benefits."
- Lawrence Lindsey, White House Economic Advisor, 9/16/02

"It is unimaginable that the United States would have to contribute hundreds of billions of dollars and highly unlikely that we would have to contribute even tens of billions of dollars."
- Kenneth M. Pollack, former Director for Persian Gulf Affairs, U.S. National Security Council, 9/02

"The costs of any intervention would be very small."
- Glenn Hubbard, White House Economic Advisor, 10/4/02

"When it comes to reconstruction, before we turn to the American taxpayer, we will turn first to the resources of the Iraqi government and the international community."
- Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense, 3/27/03

"There is a lot of money to pay for this that doesn't have to be U.S. taxpayer money, and it starts with the assets of the Iraqi people. We are talking about a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon."
- Paul Wolfowitz, U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense, testifying before the Defense Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee, 3/27/03

"The United States is committed to helping Iraq recover from the conflict, but Iraq will not require sustained aid."
- Mitchell Daniels, Director, White House Office of Management and Budget, 4/21/03

"Iraq has tremendous resources that belong to the Iraqi people. And so there are a variety of means that Iraq has to be able to shoulder much of the burden for ther own reconstruction."
- Ari Fleischer, White House Press Secretary, 2/18/03

The commitment was made by Bush 1 in desert storm. I wouldn't expect a group of people that don't understand the concept of personal responsibility to understand following through with commitments.

AH- so he was making up for what he felt were his Daddy's blunders :???: Kind of like the Kings of Old- if Daddy can't get the war done- the Crown Prince will when Daddy's gone.... :roll:

Maybe we need a Constitutional amendment saying no son of a President can be elected President- since the only two that fit that precedence- GW and John Quincy Adams sit at about the bottom of the history charts for their administrations credibility, competence, and accomplisments...
To me that would make more sense in the Constitution to prevent Dynasty's- then where a President was born...
 

MsSage

Well-known member
fff said:
Sandhusker said:
I guess the alternative of going in there, blowing the hell out of the country, and then just leaving so that the radicals could come in and take over would of been a much better choice. :roll:

Oh, you mean like the current governor of Alaska? She promised to serve the people of Alaska for four years. Now she's decided that was too hard. It'll be much easier for her to go around talking about how things oughta be than actually working to make them be. So she's quit on the voters of Alaska. Tut tut. :lol:

(My bold)
At least she hasnt QUIT the country............
Jesse Ventura quit wrestling, quit acting, quit the Reform Party, quit politics and quit living in the U.S. and now lives in Mexico.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
fff said:
Sandhusker said:
I guess the alternative of going in there, blowing the hell out of the country, and then just leaving so that the radicals could come in and take over would of been a much better choice. :roll:

Oh, you mean like the current governor of Alaska? She promised to serve the people of Alaska for four years. Now she's decided that was too hard. It'll be much easier for her to go around talking about how things oughta be than actually working to make them be. So she's quit on the voters of Alaska. Tut tut. :lol:

(My bold)

You mean like Hillary who carpet bagged NY and promised NY she would serve them but then took the next best deal to come along on the national scene?

Being a politician is a job, people change jobs, happens all the time!
 

hopalong

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
fff said:
Sandhusker said:
I guess the alternative of going in there, blowing the hell out of the country, and then just leaving so that the radicals could come in and take over would of been a much better choice. :roll:

Oh, you mean like the current governor of Alaska? She promised to serve the people of Alaska for four years. Now she's decided that was too hard. It'll be much easier for her to go around talking about how things oughta be than actually working to make them be. So she's quit on the voters of Alaska. Tut tut. :lol:

(My bold)

You mean like Hillary who carpet bagged NY and promised NY she would serve them but then took the next best deal to come along on the national scene?

Being a politician is a job, people change jobs, happens all the time!

OUCH that slap had to have hurt the liberals nand their one sidedness of Sarah!!!
tut tut poor ol frankie busted in the chops again! but she can't lock this topic can she, un like cattel today when someone disagrees with her she locks the topic so she can have the last word!! :wink: :wink: :wink:
 

PrairieQueen

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
PrairieQueen said:
Sandhusker said:
"I don't believe we need the government's help as much as some think we do. That belief sets me apart from the Democrats, since their way of dealing with everything is to tax and spend."

"Government works less efficiently when it begins to grow out of control and takes on more and more of the responsibilities that belong to the citizens. " (Obamacare, OT?)

"Remember that government doesn't earn one single dollar it spends. In order for you to get money from the government, that money must first be taken from somebody else. "

He says this and then says Obama is doing better than Bush? :???:

You apparently slept thru the Bush regime-eh? The Zillions $ spent playing in the Sandpit for his oil buddies?

I've found that most folks don't mind paying taxes- in order to get some services and improve the conditions of the country-and they can see they are getting something in return or investing in the countries future-but when its borrowed to go nation building- and all given to another country to build its infrastructure so the oil companies can move in thats another thing...
Especially when they were lied to and told that the Bush Oil War would cost almost nothing.....

I agree with old Jesse on this- and especially that we need more common citizens in government and less career politicians....

There are billions and billions being wasted under this admin. also. And I don't see to many "common" folk in this admin. either.

I would agree with him also, up to the point that he says this admin. is doing better.

Wasted tax payer money is wasted tax payer money. Just because they put the spin on it that it is being spent domestically doesn't cut it with me.
 
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