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February 26, 2012
Why is Obama in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood?
By Ted Belman

Dr. Essam Abdallah, an Egyptian liberal intellectual, in an article published last October in the leading liberal pan-Arab journal Elaph, refers to certain reports coming out of Washington:

These reports reveal the depth of the below-the-surface coordination between the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), Hamas, Hezbollah, the Iranian regime and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Syria, Tunisia, Libya and Jordan. This bloc of regimes and organizations is now becoming the greatest Islamist radical lobby ever to penetrate and infiltrate the White House, Congress, the State Department and the main decision making centers of the US government. All of this is happening at a time when the US government is going through its most strategically dangerous period in modern times because of its need to confront the Iranian Mullahs regime, which is expanding in the Middle East, as well as penetrating the United States, via powerful and influential allies.

Abdallah alleged that "the popular revolts in the Arab world -- and the Obama Administration's position towards them -- were determined by political battles between various pressure groups in Washington."

He followed up with another article this month in which he asks:

[W]hy isn't the West in general and the United States Administration in particular clearly and forcefully supporting our civil societies and particularly the secular democrats of the region? Why were the bureaucracies in Washington and in Brussels partnering with Islamists in the region and not with their natural allies the democracy promoting political forces?

Steve Emerson of the Investigative Project on Terrorism said of this article: "This is one of the most important articles I have read in years." He then made allegations of his own:

It was just revealed two days ago that FBI Director Mueller secretly met on February 8 at FBI headquarters with a coalition of groups including various Islamist and militant Arabic groups who in the past have defended Hamas and Hizballah and have also issued blatantly anti-Semitic statements. At this meeting, the FBI revealed that it had removed more than 1000 presentations and curricula on Islam from FBI offices around the country that was deemed "offensive." The FBI did not reveal what criteria was used to determine why material was considered "offensive" but knowledgeable law enforcement sources have told the IPT that it was these radical groups who made that determination. Moreover, numerous FBI agents have confirmed that from now on, FBI headquarters has banned all FBI offices from inviting any counter-terrorist specialists who are considered "anti-Islam" by Muslim Brotherhood front groups.

This comes as no surprise to me. In August of 2011, after making the case, I wrote, "To my mind, the alliance between the Obama administration and the Muslim Brotherhood is the cornerstone of Obama's New Middle East policy."

The most damning bit of evidence was reported by Herb London in his article, "U.S. Betrays Syria's Opposition":

In an effort to understand and placate Syrian opposition groups, Secretary Clinton invited them to a meeting in Washington. Most of those invited, however, have links to the Muslim Brotherhood. Missing from the invitations are Kurdish leaders, Sunni liberals, Assyrians and Christian spokesmen. According to various reports the State Department made a deal with Turkey and Muslim Brotherhood representatives either to share power with Assad to stabilize the government, or replace him if this effort fails. One organization, the Syrian Democracy Council (SDC), an opposition group composed of diverse ethnic and religious organizations, including Alawis, Aramaic Christians, Druze and Assyrians was conspicuously -- and no coincidentally -- omitted from the invitation list.

Caroline Glick wrote in August of last year:

What these observers fail to recognize is that Erdogan's interests in a post-Assad Syria have little in common with US interests. Erdogan will seek to ensure the continued disenfranchisement of Syria's Kurdish minority. And he will work towards the Islamification of Syria through the Muslim Brotherhood.

This week Secretary of State Hillary Clinton held a private meeting with these brave democrats. Why didn't she hold a public meeting? Why hasn't Obama welcomed them to the White House?"

Today there is a coalition of Syrian opposition figures that include all ethnic groups in Syria. Their representatives have been banging the doors of the corridors of power in Washington and beyond. Yet the same Western leaders who were so eager to recognize the Libyan opposition despite the presence of al Qaeda terrorists in the opposition tent have refused to publicly embrace Syrian regime opponents that seek a democratic, federal Syria that will live at peace with Israel and embrace liberal policies.

By refusing to embrace liberal, multi-ethnic regime opponents, the administration is all but ensuring the success of the Turkish bid to install the Muslim Brotherhood in power if Assad is overthrown.

The Syrian Democratic Coalition (SDC), above mentioned, is self-described thus:

The Syrian Democratic Coalition (SDC) is an emerging coalition of diverse Syrian organizations coming together to help bring an end to the Assad regime and promote the transformation of Syria into a secular democracy based in liberty. The coalition is founded upon a belief in the separation of religion from state and is dedicated to establishing a new constitution and transparent federal republic in Syria, based in reason that equally protects minority rights, promotes gender equality, and embraces the rights and liberties of every individual as enumerated in the United Nations Declaration for Human Rights. This growing coalition crosses all ethnic, religious and tribal lines to represent all Syrians. It currently includes members of Save Syria Now!, the Kurdistan National Assembly of Syria, the Union of Syrian Arab Tribes and the Syrian Christian Democratic Movement.

Sherkoh Abbas is secretary general of the Syria Democracy Council and president of the Kurdistan National Assembly of Syria. I first met him when he invited me to be a director of the American Kurdish Friendship League some five years ago.

Recently, he confided in me that in all his dealings with the State Department over the last two years, no interest was shown in his coalition, and instead, he was continually pressed to support the Syrian National Council (SNC), made up of the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamists and Arabists. He believes that the U.S. is working with Salafi groups, and the Turkish government, to create an opposition in Syria that is strictly Islamist. Such an opposition would serve Turkish economic interests in Syria and keep the Kurdish issue dormant in Turkey as well as in Syria.

For the last six months at least, Obama has been cultivating a relationship with PM Erdoğan of Turkey. The budding relationship prompted Barry Rubin to ask, "Why Is an Anti-American Islamist, Obama's Favorite ME Leader?"

According to Sherkoh Abbas, one faction of the SDC had family connections in various Gulf States at the highest level and went to them for financial support. They were turned down, as Obama had instructed them to give money only to the SNC.

Nevertheless, the SDC is gaining traction amongst the Kurds, Druze, Sunnis, Christians, and even the Alawites. This is so because these various minorities are beginning to think of a post-Assad Syria, and they all want a region of their own. They have expressed their willingness to be secular, democratic, and a friend of Israel and will be asked to commit to this in writing. They don't want Islamism or Arabism. They prefer peace, freedom, and prosperity. So why isn't Obama embracing them?

The Obama administration is totally in sync with the Muslim Brotherhood. At the renowned Herzlia Conference this year, I met Salman Shalkh, one of the speakers from Qatar. We had a long conversation in which he kept pushing for the Saudi Plan to be embraced by Israel. This is the plan that Obama is committed to -- i.e., '67 borders with mutually agreed-upon swaps.

Shalkh argued that Israel should talk to Hamas, and I countered, "What's the point? We have nothing to offer to them." Shalkh was also an apologist for the Muslim Brotherhood. These arguments should be expected from someone from Qatar. Unfortunately, the same arguments are being made by the White House. It is instructive to note that Shalkh is director of the Brookings Doha Center in Qatar, the Arab offshoot of the Brookings Institute that has so much influence with the State Department. He told me that he was one of the people who drafted the Roadmap on behalf of the State Department. I told him that it didn't surprise me and suggested that he probably drafted the Saudi Peace Plan for them as well.

What is going on now in American foreign policy is not so much a product of the Islamist lobby fueled by both the Muslim Brotherhood and the gulf states as it is a product of a strategic alliance that has existed between the U.S. and the gulf states led by Saudi Arabia since before Israel declared her independence. Unfortunately, President Obama, with his overt outreach to Islam, Muslims, and the Muslim Brotherhood, has taken it to another level.

It would appear that the ideas expressed by Mearsheimer and Walt in their book, The Israel Lobby, are being embraced by both the State Department and the White House. These include the idea that the Israel lobby is too strong for America's good and that Israel is a liability to America.

But the truth is otherwise, as John R. MacArthur pointed out in 2007, in "The Vast Power of the Saudi Lobby":

Somehow, though, I can't shake the idea that the Israel lobby, no matter how powerful, isn't all it is cracked up to be, particularly where it concerns the Bush administrations past and present. Indeed, when I think of pernicious foreign lobbies with disproportionate sway over American politics, I can't see past Saudi Arabia and its royal house, led by King Abdullah.

This article is a classic and should be read in full.

Obama has decidedly moved from an alliance with Israel to an alliance with the Islamists.

MK Aryeh Eldad, in a speech given in the fall in the U.S., when Israel was intending to act against Iran militarily, said word came down from the White House that "if you act alone, you will remain alone." Because Israel is so dependent on the U.S. for resupply of weapons and munitions in a prolonged war, this threat changed the calculus immediately. It is true that when Mahmoud Abbas was threatening to go to the U.N. for recognition, the Obama administration lobbied around the world for negative votes. But at the same time, Obama threatened Netanyahu that Obama would withhold his veto if Israel took punitive action against the PA by annexing some of the territories or by withholding funds. Finally, he used the same threat to get Israel to instruct AIPAC to lobby Congress not to punish the PA by withholding U.S. funds.

Over the last six months, Israel has been warned by a succession of senior military and administration officials not to attack Iran, at this time, all in the name of giving sanctions a chance. But who believes that sanctions will stop Iran? And who believes that that the U.S. will in the end attack Iran to stop them?

So while Obama is supporting the Muslim Brotherhood, he is keeping Israel under his thumb.

Isi Leibler takes exception to all this and reminds everyone:

[T]his organization [The Muslim Brotherhood] represents one of the most fanatical and dangerous of the radical Islamist groups in the region, with a dark record of violence and terrorism imbedded in its DNA. It is rabidly anti-Western, anti-Christian, antisemitic, committed to imposing sharia law and a global Caliphate - and willing to employ any means to further its objectives.

Many would argue that Obama is also "anti-Western, anti-Christian[, and] antisemitic." Judging by his policies, they would be right.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/02/why_is_obama_in_bed_with_the_muslim_brotherhood.html
 
Well when over 20% of the world is Moslem-- in this new global economy and integrated transient world, you can either try and work with them- or you can try and kill them all..

So what method you got for killing them all :???: .... Killing 1.5 billion people is going to cost a lot for ammo- as Hitler found out when it became too expensive to shoot the Jews...... :wink:
 
Oldtimer said:
Well when over 20% of the world is Moslem-- in this new global economy and integrated transient world, you can either try and work with them- or you can try and kill them all..

So what method you got for killing them all.... Killing 1.5 billion people is going to cost a lot for ammo- as Hitler found out when it became too expensive to shoot the Jews......

OT do you actually know a muslim?

have you actually ever had to deal with even a small group of them?

further more why would you advocate killing 1.5 billion people of which at least 30% are not radical?

now a serious question.. Would you support a fringe group from your neck of the woods to be in high positions of government?
 
Steve said:
Oldtimer said:
Well when over 20% of the world is Moslem-- in this new global economy and integrated transient world, you can either try and work with them- or you can try and kill them all..

So what method you got for killing them all.... Killing 1.5 billion people is going to cost a lot for ammo- as Hitler found out when it became too expensive to shoot the Jews......

OT do you actually know a muslim? Not on a personal relationship..

have you actually ever had to deal with even a small group of them? Yeah- I've dealt with some- and many other minorities when I was in LE....


further more why would you advocate killing 1.5 billion people of which at least 30% are not radical?
Thats what is sounds like Hypocrit and many posters want.... If not then you have to talk to them- negotiate- and try to work with them if we are to live together in this country and world... But it seems when anyone in authority does that- they are automatically proclaimed a nonpatriot, traitor or some nasty connotation by the radical right....

now a serious question.. Would you support a fringe group from your neck of the woods to be in high positions of government?

Well since so many of the rightwingers think of Mormons as a fringe group-- yes, the local Sheriff who I supported when he ran is a Mormon....And guess what- God hasn't struck down the county :wink: :p :lol:
 
which is it, OT. work with terrorists like the MB, or get out of the region?

Oldtimer said:
Best we can do is get out of there- and let them go back to killing each other in their tribal and drug wars...


and no, OT, I don't believe in killing them all, but I do believe that we should be working with the parties that will kill less of them in the long run.

Theocracies governed by sharia law have killed more of their own people than the US/Canada will ever intentionally kill.

What do you have againsst working with those that would offer these people a more democratic society?
 
hypocritexposer said:
which is it, OT. work with terrorists like the MB, or get out of the region?

Oldtimer said:
Best we can do is get out of there- and let them go back to killing each other in their tribal and drug wars...


and no, OT, I don't believe in killing them all, but I do believe that we should be working with the parties that will kill less of them in the long run.

Theocracies governed by sharia law have killed more of their own people than the US/Canada will ever intentionally kill.

What do you have againsst working with those that would offer these people a more democratic society?

I don't believe Democratic government can exist in many Arab/Muslim countries- and I think we are foolish in trying to shove it down their throat.... Most have no history of freedom or democracy-- having been ruled for 1000's of years by warlords, princes, kings, or dictators-- and/or under puppet leaders controlled by foreign governments that ruled them as colonies...Foreign countries that they have all warred against then and ran out of their country... The Mullahs and sharia law are the closest thing in common to their historical life that many of those folks have.....
 
Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
Oldtimer said:
Well when over 20% of the world is Moslem-- in this new global economy and integrated transient world, you can either try and work with them- or you can try and kill them all..

So what method you got for killing them all.... Killing 1.5 billion people is going to cost a lot for ammo- as Hitler found out when it became too expensive to shoot the Jews......

OT do you actually know a muslim? Not on a personal relationship..

have you actually ever had to deal with even a small group of them? Yeah- I've dealt with some- and many other minorities when I was in LE....


further more why would you advocate killing 1.5 billion people of which at least 30% are not radical?
Thats what is sounds like Hypocrit and many posters want.... If not then you have to talk to them- negotiate- and try to work with them if we are to live together in this country and world... But it seems when anyone in authority does that- they are automatically proclaimed a nonpatriot, traitor or some nasty connotation by the radical right....

now a serious question.. Would you support a fringe group from your neck of the woods to be in high positions of government?

Well since so many of the rightwingers think of Mormons as a fringe group-- yes, the local Sheriff who I supported when he ran is a Mormon....And guess what- God hasn't struck down the county :wink: :p :lol:

But he might be licking his lips. Seems I've heard that before. Sort of like the "WTF was that".....was the last words to come out of the mouth of the mayor of Hiroshima
 
Oldtimer said:
I don't believe Democratic government can exist in many Arab/Muslim countries- and I think we are foolish in trying to shove it down their throat.... Most have no history of freedom or democracy-- having been ruled for 1000's of years by warlords, princes, kings, or dictators-- and/or under puppet leaders controlled by foreign governments that ruled them as colonies...Foreign countries that they have all warred against then and ran out of their country... The Mullahs and sharia law are the closest thing in common to their historical life that many of those folks have.....

Gotta agree with you on that one. But have to remember also tha their ultimate goal is to convert everyone in the world to Islam OR kill them.
 
TexasBred said:
Oldtimer said:
I don't believe Democratic government can exist in many Arab/Muslim countries- and I think we are foolish in trying to shove it down their throat.... Most have no history of freedom or democracy-- having been ruled for 1000's of years by warlords, princes, kings, or dictators-- and/or under puppet leaders controlled by foreign governments that ruled them as colonies...Foreign countries that they have all warred against then and ran out of their country... The Mullahs and sharia law are the closest thing in common to their historical life that many of those folks have.....

Gotta agree with you on that one. But have to remember also tha their ultimate goal is to convert everyone in the world to Islam OR kill them.


So OT, is the obama administration less intelligent than you in knowing that democracies cannot be implemented in those countries, OR do they know this and attempting to aid in the development of further Islamic theocracies, under the guise of being democracies?

Goes back to the orginal question:



Why is Obama in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood?


aren't they being a little naive in thinking they can instill democracies after seeing how Eygpt and Libya are turning out?
 
Alright, Old Windbag, here's another question. In areas in the US that are heavily populated by Hadji's, should the Hadji's be governed by Sharia law? Or, is having Sharia law in the US constitutional......in your "expert" opinion, of course.
 
loomixguy said:
Alright, Old Windbag, here's another question. In areas in the US that are heavily populated by Hadji's, should the Hadji's be governed by Sharia law? Or, is having Sharia law in the US constitutional......in your "expert" opinion, of course.

I don't know that much about the whole law of Sharia Law-- but from what I've seen- much of it is unconstitutional- and major parts go against both federal and state constitutional/ law rulings....

Even the laws passed by local heavily populated fringe group areas must still meet the guidelines of state and federal constitutions-- the reason you have seen such groups as "Fundamentalist Mormons" and nut groups like the Waco Branch Davidians that don't follow state/Federal law of and/or promote laws that go against our nations current laws of statutory rape having been brought under investigation...

But that is in the US under US laws---BUT who are WE to tell those folks 1000 miles away- that the laws they have lived under for 1000's of years is wrong--- and our are right :???:

No wonder we are known as the "Arrogant Americans" and everyone travelling around the world has a Canadian flag on their baggage... :wink:

Time for the current R cult to get our noses out of Americans bedrooms/lifestyles- and the worlds lifestyles/laws/way of living- thinking we know better than everyone else..
 
Oldtimer said:
loomixguy said:
Alright, Old Windbag, here's another question. In areas in the US that are heavily populated by Hadji's, should the Hadji's be governed by Sharia law? Or, is having Sharia law in the US constitutional......in your "expert" opinion, of course.

I don't know that much about the whole law of Sharia Law-- but from what I've seen- much of it is unconstitutional- and major parts go against both federal and state constitutional/ law rulings....

Even the laws passed by local heavily populated fringe group areas must still meet the guidelines of state and federal constitutions-- the reason you have seen such groups as "Fundamentalist Mormons" and nut groups like the Waco Branch Davidians that don't follow state/Federal law of and/or promote laws that go against our nations current laws of statutory rape having been brought under investigation...

But that is in the US under US laws---BUT who are WE to tell those folks 1000 miles away- that the laws they have lived under for 1000's of years is wrong--- and our are right :???:

No wonder we are known as the "Arrogant Americans" and everyone travelling around the world has a Canadian flag on their baggage... :wink:

Time for the current R cult to get our noses out of Americans bedrooms/lifestyles- and the worlds lifestyles/laws/way of living- thinking we know better than everyone else..

Sharia law is unconstitutional in the US, but your Cult Leader doesn't follow the Constitution. I'm quite sure you would lay down and exclaim "Allah Akbar!" when Dear Leader suggests that your wife, daughters, and grand daughters all wear the burka and the hajib.

Now, if you could look into the past in Afghanistan and see Abdi, devout Muslim circa 712 AD, and then look at Abdi, devout Muslim circa 2012, the clothes will be the same, the sheep he's herding will be the same, and even the donkeys he screws will be the same. He treats his women the same...in fact, the only noticeable difference between Abdi 712 and Abdi 2012 is that Abdi 2012 is proficient with an AK-47 and RPG's, IED's, and knows how to use a sat/cell phone...otherwise, he's the same. Abdi has not done one thing to better himself in over 1300 years. Any modern day products he is able to use all came from the West. Weapons, technology, etc. EVERYTHING. But according to you, we don't know better...... :roll: :roll: :roll: Allah Akbar, Sheikh Dick.
 
Just to correct the record...

Islam is not thousands of years old.. a little over 1300 years...

and before that the land was considered the cradle of civilization..

so how come our country can go from a king governed colony to a modern culture in a lot less time?

are we smarter? better? or are they according to OT inferior ?

and can't grasp simple concepts that our fore-fathers grasped two hundred plus years ago?

are muslims really that stupid OT?
 
hypocritexposer said:
TexasBred said:
Oldtimer said:
I don't believe Democratic government can exist in many Arab/Muslim countries- and I think we are foolish in trying to shove it down their throat.... Most have no history of freedom or democracy-- having been ruled for 1000's of years by warlords, princes, kings, or dictators-- and/or under puppet leaders controlled by foreign governments that ruled them as colonies...Foreign countries that they have all warred against then and ran out of their country... The Mullahs and sharia law are the closest thing in common to their historical life that many of those folks have.....

Gotta agree with you on that one. But have to remember also tha their ultimate goal is to convert everyone in the world to Islam OR kill them.


So OT, is the obama administration less intelligent than you in knowing that democracies cannot be implemented in those countries, OR do they know this and attempting to aid in the development of further Islamic theocracies, under the guise of being democracies?

Goes back to the orginal question:



Why is Obama in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood?


aren't they being a little naive in thinking they can instill democracies after seeing how Eygpt and Libya are turning out?

Sunday on Fareed Zakaria,GPS this issue was addressed. He said the ones that are the problem in Egypt moving forward towards democracy at this point were factions of the former gov. combined with the military. He basically said these were the ones to be feared at this time not the MB. I guess his take on the issue can be found by googling GPS if anybody's interested in another viewpoint.
 
TSR said:
Just trying to be fair and balanced Hypo.


Try being realistic and taking a look at history.


do you think the MB is fair and balanced?

do you realistically think their "democracy", which might be better called Theocracy is an improvement over the secular system, that is the alternative?
 
here is a fair and balanced argument..

our soldier accidentally burns four Korans..

Muslims are outraged and kill American soldiers..







one the other side..

a group of Salafis tried to force their way into Saint Mina Church, a local Coptic house of worship. They were demanding the release of a woman, Abeer, an alleged convert to Islam whom they claimed—without evidence—the church was holding against her will.

The Muslim men and a growing crowd of hooligans brought out Molotov cocktails, rifles, handguns, bludgeons and knives. Eventually, the church was set on fire.

It was several hours before the police, fire department, and army showed up, and even then, witnesses told me, "they just stood by watching." By the time they began firing tear-gas and dispersing the crowds, the Islamists and their now-large entourage of young men had decided to move on. "They announced they were heading to another church to destroy it," one eyewitness, a lawyer (and Muslim), told me, "and off they went." The army just watched them march off, weapons in hand.

At the second Coptic church, also in Imbaba, two kilometers away, the mob wreaked havoc. A video shows a group of several hundred men marching towards it, breaking open its metal door, and smashing everything in sight. One man held a gun. Some were bearded; others young and clean shaven. The two attacks left fifteen people dead (including both Muslims and Copts) and 242 injured—some struck by stray bullets or broken glass, rocks, and wood; others burned in the fire. Many more were nearly comatose from inhaling large amounts of tear gas.

By the time I got to the second church early Sunday morning, it was a scene of devastation. The church priest, Father Metias, sat on a wooden bench in the middle of the burned building consoling sobbing Christians,

By far the largest Christian minority in the Middle East, Egypt's Copts account for some ten percent of the country's population of 82 million. Since Mubarak's resignation on February 11, hardline Salafis —who were kept under tight control by the former regime—have become vocal opponents of the church.

The first major attack on the Coptic community occurred on March 4, when armed thugs bulldozed a church to its foundations on the outskirts of Cairo,

There are conflicting reports about the whereabouts of the Church pastor Father Yosha and three deacons who were at church; some say they died in the fire and some say they are being held captive by the Muslims inside the church.

Witnesses report the mob prevented the fire brigade from entering the village. The army, which has been stationed for the last two days in the village of Bromil, 7 kilometers from Soul, initially refused to go into Soul, according to the officer in charge. When the army finally sent three tanks to the village, Muslim elders sent them away, saying that everything was "in order now."

A curfew has been imposed on the 12,000 Christians in the village.

is that balanced enough..

oh and there was this..

Witnesses said the mob chanted "Allahu Akbar" and vowed to conduct their morning prayers on the church plot after razing it.
 

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