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Disagreeable

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Why won't the Prime Minister of Iraq recognize Israel's right to exist? Why won't he condem the terrorist group, Hezbollah? This is a new age in Iraq (or so we're told). It should be an opportunity for this new government to support the United States and our ally Israel, to push democracy and freedom in the Middle East, but he refuses to speak out against terrorism. Link below.

"Democrats in the US Congress called on Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki to condemn Hezbollah's attacks against Israel and to recognize Israel's right to defend itself."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060726/pl_afp/mideastconflictusiraq_060726065319
 

Faster horses

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Because for all the displays of "Get out of Iraq" (including yours)
the Iraqies fear we will pull out, and then what?

They are just covering their bases.

And you think you are supporting the troops..BLAH BLAH BLAH!
 

Disagreeable

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We will pull out. It's just a matter of time and time is growing short for Republicans running for office. 100 days until election day. If the Iraqi government won't denouce terrorists, why are we supporting them? We don't support Iran's government because it supports terrorists. We don't support Syria because they support terrorists. But we're spending billions$$ and our young people's blood for a country that won't denouce terrorists, even as they are being attacked by terrorists. That makes as much sense as Bush's stand on stem cells.
 

Red Robin

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"Democrats in the US Congress called on Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki to condemn Hezbollah's attacks against Israel and to recognize Israel's right to defend itself."

I'm a lowly idiot from Arkansas but I recognize the political ramifications of such a statement from a government just emerging. I'm wondering , do the Democrats not have a clue what they are asking , or do they have an agenda which includes causing the overthrough of the new government in Iraq?
 

kolanuraven

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Don't you suppose you can relate this to a great Bush-ism...

" You're either with us or you're not"....stated before the Iraq war started.


So Iraq is either with us ( their sole provider) or they're not!

Remember we don't like flip-floppers!!!!
 

Red Robin

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kolanuraven said:
Don't you suppose you can relate this to a great Bush-ism...

" You're either with us or you're not"....stated before the Iraq war started.


So Iraq is either with us ( their sole provider) or they're not!

Remember we don't like flip-floppers!!!!
Would you also like to see our under cover agents in the middle east recognize the nation of Israel's right to exist? I just don't see the necessity of the Iraqui government making devisive statements at such a sensitive time. I am sorry for your friends loss of steers in the fire Kolan. Tough deal. It's hard enough to make money in this business without "normal" natural disasters like drought etc. Those losses like he has had will test lots of finances , mush less someone who is stretched thin already. Tell him we are thinking of him and praying for him .
 
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Red Robin said:
"Democrats in the US Congress called on Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki to condemn Hezbollah's attacks against Israel and to recognize Israel's right to defend itself."

I'm a lowly idiot from Arkansas but I recognize the political ramifications of such a statement from a government just emerging. I'm wondering , do the Democrats not have a clue what they are asking , or do they have an agenda which includes causing the overthrough of the new government in Iraq?
You're exactly right, Red Robin. The Democrat's agenda is for failure in Iraq, no matter the cost. You and I will never understand that agenda. It's a matter of principle, ethics and integrity. If the Dems (most, not all) ever had any of those things, they are willing to sacrifice them for political gain. Revolting, isn't it?
 

kolanuraven

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Now " X" I don't think there is anyone in Congress/Democratic party, etc who wants to see failure in Iraq and failure in Iraq translates into more of ours getting killed in the process of your so called "failure".

Now many of us didn't like the way the whole Iraq decision was handled....BUT...that horse is already out of the barn. And since we're already there....whether you, me or ' them' like it or not, NO ONE wants or encourages failure there.

Failure @ this point in history means too many dead for us.
 

Disagreeable

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Red Robin said:
kolanuraven said:
Don't you suppose you can relate this to a great Bush-ism...

" You're either with us or you're not"....stated before the Iraq war started.


So Iraq is either with us ( their sole provider) or they're not!

Remember we don't like flip-floppers!!!!

Would you also like to see our under cover agents in the middle east recognize the nation of Israel's right to exist? I just don't see the necessity of the Iraqui government making devisive statements at such a sensitive time. I am sorry for your friends loss of steers in the fire Kolan. Tough deal. It's hard enough to make money in this business without "normal" natural disasters like drought etc. Those losses like he has had will test lots of finances , mush less someone who is stretched thin already. Tell him we are thinking of him and praying for him .

The Bush Administation doesn't have any problem with naming undercover agents. Or at least they don't mind naming one married to a critic of the runup to war with Iraq.

How can you defend this? Bush has preached over and over that Iraq will be a beacon of freedom and democracy in the Middle East. Now the leader of Iraq refuses to acknowledge Israel's right to exist! He wouldn't even go as far as Jordan and Saudia Arabia who at least condemned Hezbollah going into into Israel and kidnapping soldiers!
 

Red Robin

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kolanuraven said:
Israel exists because WE, the USA, pay the bills and give them toys ( weapons)!!!!
Israel exists because they are Gods chosen nation. He gave them the land (and more ) they currently occupy. I would assume a history major would know that. Israel is mentioned in most Bible prophecies related to the end times. Ironically most naysayers formerly used the nonexistance of Israel as a nation to disprove the Bible. According to the Bible God will bless those that bless Israel and curse those that curse Israel. I want to be on Gods side. What is your logic for a nation with such a small land mass and so few people or natural resources being the very focus of the world , certainly for the last 50 years.
 

kolanuraven

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RR: You got a real problem with my level of education don't ya cause you CAN'T resist bringing it up. Yes, I've more diplomas than most.

BUT....forget the prophecy.....and all that.. How long do you think Israel would exist if we stopped the billions and billions we send??? Huh???


Begin " chosen" don't pay the bills!!! It's dollars and cents is what makes the world go round. Try not paying your elec bill and see what happens????
 

Red Robin

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Red Robin said:
What is your logic for a nation with such a small land mass and so few people or natural resources being the very focus of the world , certainly for the last 50 years.
I don't have an opinion really on your education. Lots of education dollars have been spent on alot of people , some benefit, some don't. I'm more amazed by your lack of understanding considering your education. Do you have an answer to my question?
 

kolanuraven

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Following World War II, the British withdrew from their mandate of Palestine, and the UN partitioned the area into Arab and Jewish states, an arrangement rejected by the Arabs.


Israel exists cause someone ( British) could draw a map. The same application applies to Iraq also. I don't pour forth a lot of info cause, silly me, assume the general public has learned such knowledge in school at one time or the other.

Their reason for " world attention" is that all their neighbors HATE them. Their lack of viable resources is why they are dependent on USA for suport. They are basically a ' step child' that doesn't fit in with the others.
 

Red Robin

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kolanuraven said:
Following World War II, the British withdrew from their mandate of Palestine, and the UN partitioned the area into Arab and Jewish states, an arrangement rejected by the Arabs.


Israel exists cause someone ( British) could draw a map. The same application applies to Iraq also. I don't pour forth a lot of info cause, silly me, assume the general public has learned such knowledge in school at one time or the other.

Their reason for " world attention" is that all their neighbors HATE them. Their lack of viable resources is why they are dependent on USA for suport. They are basically a ' step child' that doesn't fit in with the others.
Do you then deny the existance of Israel before the un mandate? Who did the Assyrians defeat ? Where was the temple and temple mount located? I don't think a simple border dispute , which lots and lots of nations engage in, is reason enough for me to believe the Arab / Israel conflict exists. Where is the land Abraham was promised? To what land did Moses lead the people during the Egyptian exodus? Where was Jesus born and in which nation did Jesus ministry exist? There is other knowledge than that which exists in school. Expand your scope of knowledge.
 
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