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Why Women Shouldn't Be Allowed To Vote

Mike

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Clinton Owes Lead in Poll To Support From Women

By Anne E. Kornblut and Matthew Mosk
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, June 12, 2007; A01



The consistent lead that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York has maintained over Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois and others in the race for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination is due largely to one factor: her support from women.

In the most recent Washington Post-ABC News poll, Clinton led Obama by a 2 to 1 margin among female voters. Her 15-point lead in the poll is entirely attributable to that margin. Clinton drew support from 51 percent of the women surveyed, compared with 24 percent who said they supported Obama and 11 percent who said they backed former senator John Edwards of North Carolina.

Clinton is drawing especially strong support from lower-income, lesser-educated women -- voters her campaign strategists describe as "women with needs." Obama, by contrast, is faring better among highly educated women, who his campaign says are interested in elevating the political discourse.

Campaign advisers say they expect Obama to pick up support from all categories of voters once they get to know him better, and that could change the structure of the race. But for now, women appear to be playing an outsized role in shaping it and could tip the scale toward the winner.

In 2004, women made up a majority of the Democratic primary electorate, including between 54 and 59 percent in the early-voting states of New Hampshire, Iowa and South Carolina.

"Women are a significant proportionate share of the Democratic primary electorate in most of these states, and women are disproportionately in favor of Hillary Clinton," said Mark Mellman, a veteran Democratic pollster who is not affiliated with any presidential campaign.

If Clinton wins the Democratic nomination, however, the general election may be a different story. In a Post-ABC News poll conducted in April, 43 percent of female independents said they definitely will not vote for her if she is the Democratic nominee, compared with 29 percent who said the same about Obama.

In the meantime, Obama and Edwards see potential openings among female Democrats.

Betsy Myers, the chief operating officer of the Obama campaign, who served as director of women's initiatives and outreach in Bill Clinton's administration, said she expects women to see the appeal of a candidate who takes a new approach to politics.

"Women are tired of the polarization of politics, and Barack is such a uniter," she said. Women, she said, "are tired of people not getting along."

Unwilling to cede any part of the female vote to Clinton, Obama has launched a "women for Obama" campaign and is heralding "Obama moms," and Edwards has released a long list of female supporters in Iowa and elsewhere.

"The excitement of Hillary's candidacy, the historic nature of it, is capturing the attention of women -- there's no question about that," said Kate Michelman, an abortion rights advocate who is leading Edwards's effort to attract women to his campaign. But, Michelman said, "eventually, gender will recede a bit from the foreground. It will recede a bit in its singular, driving importance. And women will be looking at the values, the views, the competence, the electability of a candidate."

Harrison Hickman, a pollster for Edwards, said he believes there is potential for Clinton's early bond with these voters to falter. "When you talk to women in more detail, they express doubts," Hickman said. Only when rival campaigns start trying to exploit those doubts, and when Clinton's camp starts addressing them, will the polls start to paint a more meaningful portrait of the race, he said.

According to the most recent Post-ABC national poll, taken between May 29 and June 1, women 18 to 44 years old are more likely to see Clinton as the most inspiring of the candidates. Clinton drew support from 61 percent of women who had at most a high school degree, compared with 18 percent for Obama. By contrast, female college graduates were more evenly split: 38 percent said they preferred Clinton, and 34 percent backed Obama. (Twelve percent said they supported Edwards.)

A large gap also appeared on the question of which candidate seemed the most honest and trustworthy: Clinton was considered most honest by 42 percent of women who had only a high school education, compared with 16 percent for Obama. But only 19 percent of college-educated women said Clinton is the most honest; 50 percent chose Obama.

"She ran the country for eight years, so I feel like she could do it again," said Juanita Anders, 71, a registered Democrat who lives in a rural area near Springfield, Ohio, and participated in the Post-ABC poll. Anders, who is a high school graduate with a bit of college education, said that she would "very much" like to see a female president and that, as a result, she has barely given Obama a second thought. She described her support for Clinton as "definite."

Clinton is pursuing multiple tracks in hopes of widening the gender gap. She recently banked endorsements from key women's political organizations, including Emily's List and the National Organization for Women. She has launched a women's finance committee to recruit female -- and, her campaign hopes, first-time -- donors. She held women-specific events -- a breakfast in New York, a club party in Washington -- last week and announced that Ellen Malcolm, the president of Emily's List, will serve as a national co-chairman of her campaign.

A video on her campaign Web site titled "Ready for Change" shows testimonials from female leaders and other women, interspersed with shots of crowds waving "Women for Hillary" signs.

One goal for the Clinton team: pulling in women as first-time political donors. At a recent meeting of members of the Clinton finance team, Susie Tompkins Buell, a Clinton fundraiser and California executive, shared the results of a report by the Women's Campaign Forum, a nonprofit organization with ties to Clinton.

The group found that women have accounted for less than a third of individual "hard money" contributions to political candidates but make up a huge untapped source for future donations.

Polling director Jon Cohen contributed to this report.
 

aplusmnt

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Women voting for Hitlery just because she is a woman is my biggest concern with her running. I was talking politics the other day to a friend and the wife said she would vote for Hillary. I asked why and she said because she was a woman, that men have screwed things up long enough might as well give a woman a shot at it. That kind of reasoning is a big scare when it comes to women voters.

I do not think a woman educated on the issues would vote for her but so many woman and men really do not understand what a candidate stands for or the ramifications that might come if they are elected.
 

kolanuraven

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I'm not sure I'd vote for her. Not because I disagree with her that much but I'm not sure she'll hold the lead for the duration, but I've been wrong before.

I don't care if they be women or men.... we just need somebody to fix this mess that we're in and making worse every day.

I don't vote along gender line nor political party lines.
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
I'm not sure I'd vote for her. Not because I disagree with her that much but I'm not sure she'll hold the lead for the duration, but I've been wrong before.

I don't care if they be women or men.... we just need somebody to fix this mess that we're in and making worse every day.

I don't vote along gender line nor political party lines.

Problem is biggest part of the mess we have today came at her Husbands hands so I am not sure putting the wife of the man that is a big cause of are existing problems in office is a wise thing.
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
Her husband didn't start the war.....that's the PROBLEM I mean!

But then again if Bill Clinton would have pursued terrorist with a passion after all the Terrorist attacks that happened on his watch, most likely 911 would not have happened and then Bush would have had no reason to launch a war with anyone let alone Iraq.

Instead he buried his head in the sand and hoped he could scoot by with out taking any hard stands on anything. Guess it worked for him since the big one did not come until a few months after he left office. But then again we all know it was the mess he allowed to escalate as he played with his cigars.
 

kolanuraven

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Hmmm...let's see using a cigar for a sex toy or starting a war ( military dead now over 3K)......which is worse and the bigger problem???


Geeezzzz ... this is hard one...... ( opps...no pun intended!!)


GET OVER BILL CLINTON.

You must have a crush on him cause he's been out of office for a LONG time and you still can't get him out of your mind.
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
Hmmm...let's see using a cigar for a sex toy or starting a war ( military dead now over 3K)......which is worse and the bigger problem???


Geeezzzz ... this is hard one...... ( opps...no pun intended!!)


GET OVER BILL CLINTON.

You must have a crush on him cause he's been out of office for a LONG time and you still can't get him out of your mind.

Hillary kind of keeps him fresh in our minds. And difference in me and you is when I look at the 3K dead in Iraq I also think of the 3K dead on 911 and then I wonder how could all 6,000 deaths have been avoided? And Bill Clinton's name always seems to appear to me.

Best way to predict the future is look at the past and I think Hillary's future would strongly resemble Bills past and I am not really wanting to see 6,000 more Americans die or worse maybe a few million.

Until the problems that Bill caused are taken care of he will have to continue to own it.
 

passin thru

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I am sorry but Bill Clinton is fair game for debate. His many quirks in office led us to the road we are on now. His sitting on his hands and doing nothing other than get his jollies in part can be attibuted to the deaths we are seeing now.

Bill Clinton is fair game for debate...........get over it. Of course I can see why many do not want to talk about him
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Julie

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You don't have to worry about THIS woman's vote going to Hillary --
EVER!

And anyone that thinks Bill Clinton is out of the picture or ineffective because he's not the oval office needs to think again.
 

jigs

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I am currently reading a book about Hillery, really portrays her as a hard, evil bitch. and that is the good side!!! from the first half of this book, I am convinced this bitch will stop at nothing to get in the White House. there are almost as many dead people caught in the wake of the Clintons and thier illegal scams as there are from this war.
 

kolanuraven

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The above post looks a wee bit " odd". Another idenity crisis?????


YOU POSTED UNDER THE WRONG " TAG NAME".......BUSTED!!!!!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

kolanuraven

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Ah...ha.....Hopalong/MM&P....deleted you post did you once I BUSTED you balls.


You are like little white daub on top on top of chicken shite....it may look different but it's still shite!!!


Why did ya delete? Huh???? Prove you are 2 different people.....

Ok folks....HOPALONG & MM&P is the same person.
 

kolanuraven

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Now I see you've changed the post altogether.


NO GUTS!!!! No GUTS!!!


Oh...this is soooooo funny. I knew if I waited around long enough you'd fall back in it!!!!



Up to 4 edits already....why not make it 5???

Better pay more attention there MM&P/hopalong which superhero you are that day and not make this mistake anymore. How embarassing for you :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:


ROTFLMAO
 

hopalong

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kolanuraven said:
Now I see you've changed the post altogether.


NO GUTS!!!! No GUTS!!!


Oh...this is soooooo funny. I knew if I waited around long enough you'd fall back in it!!!!



Up to 4 edits already....why not make it 5???

Better pay more attention there MM&P/hopalong which superhero you are that day and not make this mistake anymore. How embarassing for you :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:


ROTFLMAO

You young lady are losing it!
I edited it because I did not like what I had written nor the way i presented it, rather than leave it the way it was written i deleted some of it! Yes it took me 4 times to get it right! Unlike you i like to be correct in my postings!
Seems to me that you must really have a love affair going on with him in order to accuse everyone of being him , first lomixguy now me, who next?
 

hopalong

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kolanuraven said:
Now I see you've changed the post altogether.


NO GUTS!!!! No GUTS!!!


Oh...this is soooooo funny. I knew if I waited around long enough you'd fall back in it!!!!



Up to 4 edits already....why not make it 5???

Better pay more attention there MM&P/hopalong which superhero you are that day and not make this mistake anymore. How embarassing for you :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:


ROTFLMAO

You young lady are losing it!
I edited it because I did not like what I had written nor the way i presented it, rather than leave it the way it was written i deleted some of it! Yes it took me 4 times to get it right! Unlike you i like to be correct in my postings!
Seems to me that you must really have a love affair going on with him in order to accuse everyone of being him , first lomixguy now me, who next?

So young lady please show me where other than this post i have ever addressed anything you posted or said!

You asked for proof ! I ask the same from YOU.
Being the accuser you have to offer up the proof, once that is done you then have the right to add further comments, until you have proof then you do not have the RIGHT to accuse.


Good Day
 

kolanuraven

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I can't and you know it cause you deleted it. I'm sure several others saw it cause this IS the internet. I think jodywy was posting about the same time.

My how your language has corrected itself from your alter ego of MM&P...amazing. I guess you didn't like the way you wrote it or it sounded cause you outed yourself.


You called me ' kaka' and said that you were in my town this past wknd but remembered that I was out of town....EXACTLY the same crap from MM&P's mouth.


Face it...you got busted old man. Try to fix it all you want...but you screwed up.
 

aplusmnt

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kaka next time you catch someone just use the quote button, their quote does not go away even if they remove or edit their post.
 
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