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Why won't he just show the college Records?

hypocritexposer

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OBAMA WATCH CENTRAL
'Sanctions' sought in eligibility case
President's attorneys file motion demanding birth, college records be withheld from public
Posted: February 13, 2009
12:15 am Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

A high-powered team of Los Angeles attorneys representing President Obama in his effort to keep his birth certificate, college records and passport documents concealed from the public has suggested there should be "monetary sanctions" against a lawyer whose clients have brought a complaint alleging Obama doesn't qualify for the Oval Office under the Constitution's demand for a "natural born" citizen in that post.

The suggestion came in an exchange of e-mails and documents in a case brought by former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others in California. The case originally sought to have the state's electors ordered to withhold their votes for Obama until his eligibility was established. Since Obama's inauguration, it has been amended to seek a future requirement for a vetting process, in addition to the still-sought unveiling of his records.

In the case, handled largely by Gary Kreep of the U.S. Justice Foundation, records were subpoenaed documenting Obama's attendance at Occidental College.

The lawyer for the college, Stuart W. Rudnick of Musick, Peeler & Garrett, urgently contacted Fredric D. Woocher of Strumwasser & Woocher.

"This firm is counsel to Occidental College. The College is in receipt of the enclosed subpoena that seeks certain information concerning President-Elect Barack Obama," he wrote via fax. "Inasmuch as the subpoena appears to be valid on its face, the College will have no alternative but to comply with the subpoena absent a court order instructing otherwise."

Within hours, Woocher contacted Kreep regarding the issue, telling him, "It will likely not surprise you to hear that President-elect Obama opposes the production of the requested records.

"In order to avoid the needless expense of our bringing and litigating a Motion to Quash the subpoena, I am writing to ask whether you would be willing to agree voluntarily to cancel or withdraw the subpoena."

Woocher warned, "Please be advised, in particular, that in the event we are forced to file a motion to quash and we prevail in that motion, we will seek the full measure of monetary sanctions provided for in the Code of Civil Procedures."

Kreep, out of town for a business trip, did not respond immediately, and the motion eventually was filed. It states that the records, which could reveal on what name Obama attended classes at Occidental and whether he attended on scholarship money intended for foreign students, "are of no relevance to this moot litigation."

The motion also claims the petitioners failed to serve the subpoena properly.

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"The subpoena directed to Occidental College should therefore be quashed. Alternatively, this court should issue an order directing that the deposition of the custodian of records of Occidental College not take place," the firm working on Obama's behalf stated.

"The central issue in this lawsuit … is whether any Respondent had a legal duty to demand proof of natural born citizenship from Democratic Party's nominee," the motion said. "None of the documents sought by petitioners could possibly assist in answering this question."

The motion then cited a precedent from a case involving a "former law firm client who brought malpractice action against firm claiming unconscionable rates was not entitled to discovery regarding amount paid by law firm to contract staff attorney because such information is irrelevant to unconscionability claim."

The case, with Keyes, Wiley S. Drake and Markham Robinson as plaintiffs, names California Secretary of State Debra Bowen, Barack Hussein Obama, Joe Biden and the state's electors as defendants.
 

Steve

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at first I had thought the whole Obama birth thing was a conspiracy nut thing... now I know it is... :wink:

Obama's efforts to keep it under wraps seems excessive.. real excessive... while the explanation might seem to add to the conspiracy, it seems his hiding behind a wall of legal maneuvers and lawyers lends to the theory in itself...

if Obama lied on a college application and defrauded the government so what... he is still a saint..

If he lied and used several dozen names... at least now he is using Mr. President..

so no matter what is dug up... from the "early years" it doesn't matter... as Obama won...

none of it matters.. now... except...it adds another question.. if Obama lied on the application and fraudulently received federal aid,...and is guilty of a felony... can he still vote? let alone be president?
 

Tam

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Steve said:
at first I had thought the whole Obama birth thing was a conspiracy nut thing... now I know it is... :wink:

Obama's efforts to keep it under wraps seems excessive.. real excessive... while the explanation might seem to add to the conspiracy, it seems his hiding behind a wall of legal maneuvers and lawyers lends to the theory in itself...

if Obama lied on a college application and defrauded the government so what... he is still a saint..

If he lied and used several dozen names... at least now he is using Mr. President..

so no matter what is dug up... from the "early years" it doesn't matter... as Obama won...

none of it matters.. now... except...it adds another question.. if Obama lied on the application and fraudulently received federal aid,...and is guilty of a felony... can he still vote? let alone be president?

If his files say he attended college with help from foreign student aid as some think may be the case then how can he claim to be a NATURAL Born Citizen of the US and eligible to sit as President?????

Even if he was born in the US which is doubtful since he refuses to produce a birth certificate that says so. He lived in Indonesia and attended a school that only Indonesian citizens could attend. If he came back and claimed to be a foreign student to get College aid then that means he didn't denounce his Indonesian citizenship which makes him ineligible to be President of the US. And It does matter as If he is not legally eligible to be President under the US Constitution then anything he signs as President is NOT LEGAL, Including the stimulus bill, the appointment he made to his Admin and anything they did while in office, and the orders to close Gitmo and the dropping of the charges on terrorist.

Ask yourself this how did Obama visit a country that ban US citizens in the ealry 80's if he was a US citizen carrying a US Passport? :?
 

Larrry

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If his files say he attended college with help from foreign student aid as some think may be the case then how can he claim to be a NATURAL Born Citizen of the US and eligible to sit as President?????

Even if he was born in the US which is doubtful since he refuses to produce a birth certificate that says so. He lived in Indonesia and attended a school that only Indonesian citizens could attend. If he came back and claimed to be a foreign student to get College aid then that means he didn't denounce his Indonesian citizenship which makes him ineligible to be President of the US. And It does matter as If he is not legally eligible to be President under the US Constitution then anything he signs as President is NOT LEGAL, Including the stimulus bill, the appointment he made to his Admin and anything they did while in office, and the orders to close Gitmo and the dropping of the charges on terrorist.

Ask yourself this how did Obama visit a country that ban US citizens in the ealry 80's if he was a US citizen carrying a US Passport?

Any logtical person can only come up with one conclusion, the only problem is the libs will not admit and just don't care about the Constitution
 

Steve

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Tam said:
Steve said:
at first I had thought the whole Obama birth thing was a conspiracy nut thing... now I know it is... :wink:

Obama's efforts to keep it under wraps seems excessive.. real excessive... while the explanation might seem to add to the conspiracy, it seems his hiding behind a wall of legal maneuvers and lawyers lends to the theory in itself...

if Obama lied on a college application and defrauded the government so what... he is still a saint..

If he lied and used several dozen names... at least now he is using Mr. President..

so no matter what is dug up... from the "early years" it doesn't matter... as Obama won...

none of it matters.. now... except...it adds another question.. if Obama lied on the application and fraudulently received federal aid,...and is guilty of a felony... can he still vote? let alone be president?

If his files say he attended college with help from foreign student aid as some think may be the case then how can he claim to be a NATURAL Born Citizen of the US and eligible to sit as President?????

Even if he was born in the US which is doubtful since he refuses to produce a birth certificate that says so. He lived in Indonesia and attended a school that only Indonesian citizens could attend. If he came back and claimed to be a foreign student to get College aid then that means he didn't denounce his Indonesian citizenship which makes him ineligible to be President of the US. And It does matter as If he is not legally eligible to be President under the US Constitution then anything he signs as President is NOT LEGAL, Including the stimulus bill, the appointment he made to his Admin and anything they did while in office, and the orders to close Gitmo and the dropping of the charges on terrorist.

Ask yourself this how did Obama visit a country that ban US citizens in the ealry 80's if he was a US citizen carrying a US Passport? :?

Tam I understand your points... I just can't seem to get the sarcasm emoticon to work.. :wink: my original post was sarcastic towards those who don't look at the whole picture and just shake their heads...

Where there is alot of smoke.. there is fire... maybe not the mega forest fire some are claiming,.. but fire non the less... and it will smolder until a judge gets the courage to open it up to light...
 

hypocritexposer

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November 2008: Inconsistancy in Obama's account of his mother's Whereabouts in August-September of 1961
November 2008 Blog Archives:

University of Washington records place Stanley Ann Dunham in Washington State in Aug 1961 so how could she be in Honolulu 2680 miles away birthing Barack the same month.

When public record information from the University of Washington was added to Wikipedia's biography of Stanley Ann Dunham (Barack Hussein Obama Jr's mother), it was removed in 35 minutes the first time and 34 minutes the second time. Read what Obama's team of internet thugs doesn't want you to know.

EMAIL:

"The University of Hawaii at Manoa is only able to provide the following information for Stanley Ann Dunham:

Dates of attendance:
Fall 1960 (First day of instruction 9/26/1960)
Spring 1963 - Summer 1966
Fall 1972 - Fall 1974
Summer 1976
Spring 1978
Fall 1984 - Summer 1992

Degrees awarded:
BA - Mathematics, Summer 1967 (August 6, 1967)
MA - Anthropology, Fall 1983 (December 18, 1983)
PhD - Anthropology, Summer 1992 (August 9, 1992)

Sincerely,
Stuart Lau"

****************************************
Stuart Lau
University Registrar
Office of Admissions and Records
University of Hawaii at Manoa
Ph: (808) 956-8010
****************************************

And this:

Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham was enrolled at the University of Washington for:
Autumn 1961
Winter 1962
Spring 1962

The records responsive to your request from the University of Washington are above as provided by the Public Disclosure Laws of Washington State. This concludes the University's response to your Public Records request. Please feel free to contact our office if you have any questions or concerns.

Madolyne Lawson

Office of Public Records

206-543-9180
 

Steve

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Soon after Barack was born, Dunham and her new son moved to Seattle. They lived in Apartment 2 of the Villa Ria Apartments at 516 13th Avenue E on Capitol Hill, and she enrolled at the University of Washington. But their stay was fairly short -- about a year -- and in 1962 they returned to Hawaii. By this time the senior Barack Obama had left Hawaii to continue his education at Harvard, with eventual plans to return to his native Kenya with his family. Dunham felt otherwise and filed for divorce in 1964.

I have never known someone to get married, have a baby and then go to school in another state... odd,.. even for a girl named Stanley...

by the timeline.. she met Oby SR, got knocked up..married, had baby..days later,.. rushed to Washington State to start school.. ?

didn't she attend Hawaii University?

timeline according to net story..

met Ob SR, got knocked up, married,.. flew to Kenya.. had baby.. was shocked to find out Ob SR had other first wife... fled to Washington state.. couldn't face her family.. stayed in Washington state for one year. then went back to Hawaii...

which still is not really a big deal as Ob JR is still an American as his mother was a natural born citizen at the time of his birth..
 

hypocritexposer

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which still is not really a big deal as Ob JR is still an American as his mother was a natural born citizen at the time of his birth..

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.

Obama's British citizenship was short-lived. On Dec. 12, 1963, Kenya formally gained its independence from the United Kingdom. Chapter VI, Section 87 of the Kenyan Constitution specifies that:

1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963...

2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.
 
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