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Will BSE be the next movie

Bill

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POULTRY NEWS
ABC to air "what if" bird flu movie tonight

by Alicia Karapetian on 5/9/2006 for Meatingplace.com

ABC will air its take on the possibility of a mutation of the H5N1 virus that is transmittable from human to human in its made-for-TV movie Fatal Contact: Bird Flu in America tonight at 8 p.m./ 7 p.m. CST.

According to a press release issued by ABC, the film was "meticulously researched" and John M. Barry, a visiting scholar at Tulane University and author of the book "The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History," which includes an afterword on avian flu, served as a consultant on the project.

The press release also included a disclaimer, noting, "This film is a fictional examination of the question: What if?"

California Poultry Federation president Bill Mattos asked ABC to refrain from broadcasting the movie, writing in a letter to the company, "Frankly, we wish that you would pull thus irresponsible movie out of your programming altogether." ABC declined the request.

National Chicken Council spokesman Richard L. Lobb asked ABC to air disclaimers at the beginning and end of the film. ABC will be airing the disclaimers, but ABC told The Associated Press that the move was of its own accord. "It's being done because we're responsible broadcasters," ABC Vice President of Corporate Initiatives Brad Jamison said.

But even the Hollywood paper of record, Daily Variety, lacked faith in the flu film. In a review on Monday, writer Brian Lowry noted that "ABC News recently aired a series of reports seeking to separate fact from fiction regarding the threat of an avian flu pandemic, but the entertainment division adopts the 'Let's scare the hell out of everyone strategy.'"

Editor's Note: A commentary written by POULTRY Executive Editor Yvonne Vizzier Thaxton in response to the movie will be available on Meatingplace.com on Wednesday.

I wonder if R-Calf has considered trying to get even more exposure for BSE in the US by assisting ABC or someone like Michael Moore in making sure the BSE version is "factual".
 

Bill

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RobertMac said:
Bill, you've been reading too much Dittmer!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dittmer is mild compared to someone like Moore conducting class.

Do you believe a similar type show isn't possible? A clip with R-Calf stuttering and stammering and running from the camera followed by a reporter using some of their quotes on BSE and the packers to "explain" the situation. How would that impact beef prices?
 

HAY MAKER

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If it "happens" as you state,the american consumer will realize there is a cattle mans assc. that is doing every thing possible to ensure the safety of their food supply,probably be a good thing M COOL would be demanded...............good luck
 

Big Muddy rancher

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I can see it now "BSE IN AMERICA"
Screen play by R-CALF
Directed by Austin Sandhusker
Starring Haymaker and OT in a touching(And I maen touching) Love story anbout two old men finding satifaction at the R-Calf convention in San Francisco.
 

Econ101

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As long as it is just a fictional movie, who cares? Keeping it a fiction is what is important for the average cattleman.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Econ101 said:
As long as it is just a fictional movie, who cares? Keeping it a fiction is what is important for the average cattleman.


If it's on TV many will feel it's true. It's the seed of doubt that could hurt the most. Besides don't you think Haymaker and OT are beleivable?
Ya I guess you're right with those two it would just be a FLUFF piece or a comedy.
 

Econ101

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Econ101 said:
As long as it is just a fictional movie, who cares? Keeping it a fiction is what is important for the average cattleman.


If it's on TV many will feel it's true. It's the seed of doubt that could hurt the most. Besides don't you think Haymaker and OT are beleivable?
Ya I guess you're right with those two it would just be a FLUFF piece or a comedy.

So are you saying rcalf needs to get on tv to tell their side of things? There are a lot of legitimate reasons for the "seed of doubt" to flourish with this USDA/NCBA union. Worrying about perception when you let the reality escape you is just plain wrong. Having foreigners such as yourself make the safety decisions that affect the beef industry in the U.S. is just a little "nuts". We are having enough problems with the USDA/NCBA policymakers.
 

Bill

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Econ101 said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Econ101 said:
As long as it is just a fictional movie, who cares? Keeping it a fiction is what is important for the average cattleman.


If it's on TV many will feel it's true. It's the seed of doubt that could hurt the most. Besides don't you think Haymaker and OT are beleivable?
Ya I guess you're right with those two it would just be a FLUFF piece or a comedy.

So are you saying rcalf needs to get on tv to tell their side of things? There are a lot of legitimate reasons for the "seed of doubt" to flourish with this USDA/NCBA union. Worrying about perception when you let the reality escape you is just plain wrong. Having foreigners such as yourself make the safety decisions that affect the beef industry in the U.S. is just a little "nuts". We are having enough problems with the USDA/NCBA policymakers.
Foreigners such as ourselves get ABC. In fact we get all the US networks. What happens in the US most definitely gets to Canadian consumers. Foreigners? We are more Americanized than many in the US. :roll:

There isn't a beef producer on this site who shouldn't fear a program such as the above article mentions. Look at the flap Oprah caused.
 

RobertMac

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Bill said:
RobertMac said:
Bill, you've been reading too much Dittmer!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dittmer is mild compared to someone like Moore conducting class.

Do you believe a similar type show isn't possible? A clip with R-Calf stuttering and stammering and running from the camera followed by a reporter using some of their quotes on BSE and the packers to "explain" the situation. How would that impact beef prices?

Bill, I agree with you on Moore, but Dittmer is similar to Moore in his methodology except on the opposite end of the spectrum. Tell me, has any of Dittmer's doom and gloom prediction (such as the things Sandhusker posted) come to pass???? What should be alarming to USA cattlemen is his close tires to NCBA leadership!!! With all his R-CALF bashing, I understand why you Canadians like him, but R-CALF didn't cause your problems and didn't profit from those problems. If the table had been turned, can you honestly say that you Canadians would not have tired to protect your herd and markets?
 
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Bill
There isn't a beef producer on this site who shouldn't fear a program such as the above article mentions. Look at the flap Oprah caused.

Bill- Do you remember how Lyman and Oprah were chastised, cussed, and even sued by Texas cattlemen for their comments about feeding ruminant parts back to ruminants and for saying there was "mad cow" in the US...

I do- I was one that thought they were both nuts- even had a "the only mad cow in the US is Oprah" bumper sticker...

BUT- about everything they said on that show has come to be-- a year after the national exposure the USDA finally was forced to institute the feed ban-- then the US did show up with postive BSE cattle......They definitely had the right to say "I told you so".

Thats one reason I don't automatically pooh pooh anyone away anymore just because they sound a little radical or nuts-- like flounder and some of those that are predicting many cases of vCJD in years to come- I pray they are wrong- but I'm not going to just throw their ideology out the door because it doesn't fit my wishes.....
 

Bill

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RobertMac said:
Bill said:
RobertMac said:
Bill, you've been reading too much Dittmer!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dittmer is mild compared to someone like Moore conducting class.

Do you believe a similar type show isn't possible? A clip with R-Calf stuttering and stammering and running from the camera followed by a reporter using some of their quotes on BSE and the packers to "explain" the situation. How would that impact beef prices?

Bill, I agree with you on Moore, but Dittmer is similar to Moore in his methodology except on the opposite end of the spectrum. Tell me, has any of Dittmer's doom and gloom prediction (such as the things Sandhusker posted) come to pass???? What should be alarming to USA cattlemen is his close tires to NCBA leadership!!! With all his R-CALF bashing, I understand why you Canadians like him, but R-CALF didn't cause your problems and didn't profit from those problems. If the table had been turned, can you honestly say that you Canadians would not have tired to protect your herd and markets?
I can understand you wanting to turn this thread away from the idea of someone such as Moore using R-Calf's quotes and actions in an anti-beef/BSE docu-drama. Why else take a thread about a movie being made about Bird Flu and comparing that to a movie being made about BSE and turn it into a Dittmer discussion? I don't agree with everything Dittmer writes or all that he stands for but I do believe he is bang on with some of his comments about R-Calf and that's why I post them.

Dittmer is most definitely at the opposite end of the spectrum and I would put my money on Dittmer being supportive of Beef producers a hell of a lot sooner than Moore and his LAG supporters seeing you made the comparison.


but R-CALF didn't cause your problems and didn't profit from those problems.

R,Mac, who was it that filed the injunction? Are you telling us you believe R-Calf has not done any of this for money?
 

HAY MAKER

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Bill you know as well as the rest of us do "canadian BSE" is a food safety concern that needs to be controlled,it has not been about only money,this is why canadian "OTM" cattle will not be allowed in the country..............good luck
 

flounder

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greetings ranchers et al,


re- Will BSE be the next movie ?

re- I can see it now "BSE IN AMERICA" Screen play by R-CALF


don't shoot the messenger again, but i have already heard of several in production,
even been approached myself, but i am too busy with my health problems and here with
you Ranchers, trying to keep you straight with all the facts. not the non-fiction with all the
special effects movie, but the real deal, with real dead people and dead animals from TSE.
with real families, from real victims still sitting in shock, wondering what just happened to
there loved one. was it direct, or friendly fire, from what source, from what species?
dont laugh, we have documented now, friendly fire from porcine and sheep dura.
with real documents from the USDA and the UK and much more, showing where they lied,
distorted, twisted the facts over the years, put off and put off just to be an 'industry friendly'
policeman, and here we are, with a country that has more documented TSE in more species
than any other country, with who knows how many exposed, with a proven terribly flawed and
or inept TSE surveillance system for humans and animals, a broke down feed ban, and a bunch
of dead beats in the white house, sitting in a cloak of fear and under the guise of DHS. ...


yee haw, how is that for a short one. ...


well, almost, but i cannot resist just a few short snips, why not ;-)



IN CONFIDENCE ;


.42 On 15 May Mr Bradley sent a minute to Dr Watson, Dr Shreeve, Dr Roberts,
Mr Wells and Mr Mike Dawson noting that, 'by agreement with the Director',
the proposed Vision article would now be circulated as a separate Directive
to VICs in England and Wales only.


http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1987/05/15001001.pdf




IN CONFIDENCE


It has been agreed that a joint/co-ordinated CVL-VIS publication will be
produced in due course. Meanwhile, because of the nature of the disorder,
its political implications and possible effects on exports it is essential
that VIS staff must not, at this stage, discuss it with or consult workers
at Research Institutes and University Departments. Furthermore, any
statements for publication or discussions at meetings must be cleared by the
respective Directors of the Services.


http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1987/05/22002001.pdf




2.44 On 27 May Dr Peter Dawson succeeded Dr Williams as the ACVO and Head of
the VI Service, and Dr Richard Cawthorne succeeded Dr Peter Dawson as Head
of the Veterinary Investigation Section (VI Section) at Tolworth.

2.45 The final version of Mr Wells's article, entitled 'A Novel Bovine
Neurological Disorder?', was eventually circulated on 8 June 1987 to
Superintending Veterinary Investigation Officers in England and Wales. The
document was headed 'urgent' and 'in confidence'. It described the nature,
symptoms and pathology of the new disease and gave instructions for the
submission of pathological material to the CVL. It included the following
directions:

Similar clinical cases are of interest to VI Section, Tolworth, and the
Pathology and Virology Departments at CVL. Such cases must be notified
initially only to SVO(HQ), VI Section, Tolworth and Neuropathology Section,
Pathology Department, CVO. At this stage VI staff should not consult workers
at Research Institutes or University Departments . . .
A co-ordinated VIS/CVL publication on this subject is proposed. All
statements for publication, or discussion at meetings MUST BE CLEARED by
respective Directors of Services.


http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1987/06/08001001.pdf




It is essential not to refer to the condition as bovine scrapie. While the
clinical and pathological changes may provide evidence of its similarity to
diseases caused by unconventional infectious agents such as scrapie in
sheep, it is important to emphasise that the aetiological basis of BSE
remains unknown and no connection with encephalopathies in other species,
including scrapie in sheep, has been established.


http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1987/10/27003001.pdf




. . . the fact that it so far appears to be a uniquely British disorder
could prejudice our cattle exports if it is publicised in inaccurate or
exaggerated terms. It would be particularly misleading if it were to be
described as 'scrapie in cattle'. Scrapie is a disease of sheep, the
existence of which in British flocks is an impediment to our export trade,
but although it is also an encephalopathy there is no evidence that BSE is
attributable to the same cause as scrapie and it is important to distinguish
between the two conditions . . .
A point to emphasise, if you are pressed on numbers of cases, is that while
it may be suspected in over 100 herds and distributed over a wide area, it
has been confirmed in only 25 animals, out of a total UK cattle population
of just over 12.5 million. Moreover, cases tend to be in individual animals
rather than whole herds being affected. There is no evidence that it is
transmissible to humans or that the meat or milk from animals with BSE are
affected.


http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1987/10/30001001.pdf




12/10/76
AGRICULTURAL RESEARCH COUNCIL
REPORT OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTE ON SCRAPIE
Office Note
CHAIRMAN: PROFESSOR PETER WILDY

snip...

A The Present Position with respect to Scrapie
A] The Problem

Scrapie is a natural disease of sheep and goats. It is a slow
and inexorably progressive degenerative disorder of the nervous system
and it ia fatal. It is enzootic in the United Kingdom but not in all
countries.

The field problem has been reviewed by a MAFF working group
(ARC 35/77). It is difficult to assess the incidence in Britain for
a variety of reasons but the disease causes serious financial loss;
it is estimated that it cost Swaledale breeders alone $l.7 M during
the five years 1971-1975. A further inestimable loss arises from the
closure of certain export markets, in particular those of the United
States, to British sheep.

It is clear that scrapie in sheep is important commercially and
for that reason alone effective measures to control it should be
devised as quickly as possible.

Recently the question has again been brought up as to whether
scrapie is transmissible to man. This has followed reports that the
disease has been transmitted to primates. One particularly lurid
speculation (Gajdusek 1977) conjectures that the agents of scrapie,
kuru, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease and transmissible encephalopathy of
mink are varieties of a single "virus". The U.S. Department of
Agriculture concluded that it could "no longer justify or permit
scrapie-blood line and scrapie-exposed sheep and goats to be processed
for human or animal food at slaughter or rendering plants" (ARC 84/77)"
The problem is emphasised by the finding that some strains of scrapie
produce lesions identical to the once which characterise the human
dementias"

Whether true or not. the hypothesis that these agents might be
transmissible to man raises two considerations. First, the safety
of laboratory personnel requires prompt attention. Second, action
such as the "scorched meat" policy of USDA makes the solution of the
acrapie problem urgent if the sheep industry is not to suffer
grievously.

snip...

76/10.12/4.6

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1976/10/12004001.pdf




STRICTLY PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL 25, AUGUST 1995

snip...

To minimise the risk of farmers' claims for compensation from feed
compounders.

To minimise the potential damage to compound feed markets through adverse
publicity.

To maximise freedom of action for feed compounders, notably by
maintaining the availability of meat and bone meal as a raw
material in animal feeds, and ensuring time is available to make any
changes which may be required.

snip...

THE FUTURE

4..........

MAFF remains under pressure in Brussels and is not skilled at
handling potentially explosive issues.

5. Tests _may_ show that ruminant feeds have been sold which
contain illegal traces of ruminant protein. More likely, a few positive
test results will turn up but proof that a particular feed mill knowingly
supplied it to a particular farm will be difficult if not impossible.

6. The threat remains real and it will be some years before feed
compounders are free of it. The longer we can avoid any direct
linkage between feed milling _practices_ and actual BSE cases,
the more likely it is that serious damage can be avoided. ...

SEE full text ;

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/yb/1995/08/24002001.pdf


and what did the USDA say when all this was going on ;


''this was a fanatical incident to be _avoided_ in the US _at all
costs_''...



Gerald Wells: Report of the Visit to USA, April-May 1989

snip...

The general opinion of those present was that BSE, as an
overt disease phenomenon, _could exist in the USA, but if it did,
it was very rare. The need for improved and specific surveillance
methods to detect it as recognised...

snip...

It is clear that USDA have little information and _no_ regulatory
responsibility for rendering plants in the US...

snip...

3. Prof. A. Robertson gave a brief account of BSE. The US approach
was to accord it a _very low profile indeed_. Dr. A Thiermann showed
the picture in the ''Independent'' with cattle being incinerated and thought
this was a fanatical incident to be _avoided_ in the US _at all costs_...

snip...

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11b/tab01.pdf



To be published in the Proceedings of the
Fourth International Scientific Congress in
Fur Animal Production. Toronto, Canada,
August 21-28, 1988

Evidence That Transmissible Mink Encephalopathy
Results from Feeding Infected Cattle

R.F. Marsh* and G.R. Hartsough

.Department of Veterinary Science, University of Wisconsin-Madison, Madison,
Wisconsin 53706; and ^Emba/Creat Lakes Ranch Service, Thiensville, Wisconsin
53092

ABSTRACT
Epidemiologic investigation of a new incidence of
transmissible mink encephalopathy (TME) in Stetsonville, Wisconsin
suggests that the disease may have resulted from feeding infected
cattle to mink. This observation is supported by the transmission of
a TME-like disease to experimentally inoculated cattle, and by the
recent report of a new bovine spongiform encephalopathy in
England.

INTRODUCTION

Transmissible mink encephalopathy (TME) was first reported in 1965 by
Hartsough and Burger who demonstrated that the disease was transmissible with a long
incubation period, and that affected mink had a spongiform encephalopathy similar to
that found in scrapie-affecied sheep (Hartsough and Burger, 1965; Burger and Hartsough,
1965). Because of the similarity between TME and scrapie, and the subsequent
finding that the two transmissible agents were indistinguishable (Marsh and Hanson, 1969),
it was concluded that TME most likely resulted from feeding mink scrapie-infecied
sheep.

The experimental transmission of sheep scrapie to mink (Hanson et al., 1971)
confirmed the close association of TME and scrapie, but at the same time
provided evidence that they may be different. Epidemiologic studies on previous
incidences of TME indicated that the incubation periods in field cases were between six
months and one year in length (Harxsough and Burger, 1965). Experimentally, scrapie
could not be transmitted to mink in less than one year. To investigate the possibility that TME
may be caused by a (particular strain of scrapie which might be highly pathogenic for mink, 21
different strains of the scrapie agent, including their sheep or goat sources, were inoculated into
a total of 61 mink. Only one mink developed a progressive neurologic disease after an incubation
period of 22 mon..s (Marsh and Hanson, 1979). These results indicated that TME was
either caused by a strain of sheep scrapie not yet tested, or was due to exposure to a
scrapie-like agent from an unidentified source.

OBSERVATIONS AND RESULTS

A New Incidence of TME. In April of 1985, a mink rancher in Stetsonville,
Wisconsin reported that many of his mink were "acting funny", and some had died. At
this time, we visited the farm and found that approximately 10% of all adult mink were
showing typical signs of TME: insidious onset characterized by subtle behavioral
changes, loss of normal habits of cleanliness, deposition of droppings throughout the pen
rather than in a single area, hyperexcitability, difficulty in chewing and swallowing, and
tails arched over their _backs like squirrels. These signs were followed by progressive
deterioration of neurologic function beginning with locomoior incoordination, long periods of
somnolence in which the affected mink would stand motionless with its head in the
corner of the cage, complete debilitation, and death. Over the next 8-10 weeks,
approximately 40% of all the adult mink on the farm died from TME.
Since previous incidences of TME were associated with common or shared
feeding practices, we obtained a careful history of feed ingredients used over the
past 12-18 months. The rancher was a "dead stock" feeder using mostly (>95%) downer or
dead dairy cattle and a few horses. Sheep had never been fed.

Experimental Transmission. The clinical diagnosis of TME was confirmed by
histopaihologic examination and by experimental transmission to mink after
incubation periods of four months. To investigate the possible involvement of cattle in
this disease cycle, two six-week old castrated Holstein bull calves were inoculated
intracerebrally with a brain suspension from affected mink. Each developed a fatal
spongiform encephalopathy after incubation periods of 18 and 19 months.

DISCUSSION

These findings suggest that TME may result from feeding mink infected cattle
and we have alerted bovine practitioners that there may exist an as yet
unrecognized scrapie-like disease of cattle in the United States (Marsh and Hartsough,
1986). A new bovine spongiform encephalopathy has recently been reported in England
(Wells et al., 1987), and investigators are presently studying its transmissibility and
possible relationship to scrapie. Because this new bovine disease in England is
characterized by behavioral changes, hyperexcitability, and agressiveness, it is very likely
it would be confused with rabies in the United Stales and not be diagnosed. Presently,
brains from cattle in the United States which are suspected of rabies infection are only
tested with anti-rabies virus antibody and are not examined histopathologically for
lesions of spongiform encephalopathy.

We are presently pursuing additional studies to further examine the possible
involvement of cattle in the epidemiology of TME. One of these is the
backpassage of our experimental bovine encephalopathy to mink. Because (here are as yet no
agent-specific proteins or nucleic acids identified for these transmissible
neuropathogens, one means of distinguishing them is by animal passage and selection of the
biotype which grows best in a particular host. This procedure has been used to separate
hamster-adapted and mink-udapted TME agents (Marsh and Hanson, 1979). The
intracerebral backpassage of the experimental bovine agent resulted in incubations of only
four months indicating no de-adaptation of the Stetsonville agent for mink after bovine
passage. Mink fed infected bovine brain remain normal after six months. It will be
essential to demonstrate oral transmission fiom bovine to mink it this proposed
epidemiologic association is to be confirmed.

ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS
These studies were supported by the College of Agricultural and Life
Sciences,
University of Wisconsin-Madison and by a grant (85-CRCR-1-1812) from the
United
States Department of Agriculture. The authors also wish to acknowledge the
help and
encouragement of Robert Hanson who died during the course of these
investigations.

REFERENCES
Burger, D. and Hartsough, G.R. 1965. Encephalopathy of mink. II.
Experimental and
natural transmission. J. Infec. Dis. 115:393-399.
Hanson, R.P., Eckroade, R.3., Marsh, R.F., ZuRhein, C.M., Kanitz, C.L. and
Gustatson,
D.P. 1971. Susceptibility of mink to sheep scrapie. Science 172:859-861.
Hansough, G.R. and Burger, D. 1965. Encephalopathy of mink. I.
Epizoociologic and
clinical observations. 3. Infec. Dis. 115:387-392.
Marsh, R.F. and Hanson, R.P. 1969. Physical and chemical properties of
the
transmissible mink encephalopathy agent. 3. ViroL 3:176-180.
Marsh, R.F. and Hanson, R.P. 1979. On the origin of transmissible mink
encephalopathy. In Hadlow, W.J. and Prusiner, S.P. (eds.) Slow
transmissible
diseases of the nervous system. Vol. 1, Academic Press, New York, pp
451-460.
Marsh, R.F. and Hartsough, G.R. 1986. Is there a scrapie-like disease in
cattle?
Proceedings of the Seventh Annual Western Conference for Food Animal
Veterinary
Medicine. University of Arizona, pp 20.
Wells, G.A.H., Scott, A.C., Johnson, C.T., Cunning, R.F., Hancock, R.D.,
Jeffrey, M.,
Dawson, M. and Bradley, R. 1987. A novel progressive spongiform
encephalopathy
in cattle. Vet. Rec. 121:419-420.

MARSH

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m09/tab05.pdf




and then the BSE MRR policy of the legal trading of all strains of TSE globally was born $$$,
thanks to GW and the OIE. ...




TSS
 

Tam

Well-known member
HAY MAKER said:
Bill you know as well as the rest of us do "canadian BSE" is a food safety concern that needs to be controlled,it has not been about only money,this is why canadian "OTM" cattle will not be allowed in the country..............good luck

So you say the Canadian BSE is a food safety concern that needs to be controlled what about the US BSE who is controlling that BSE food safety issue HAYMAKER?
If this is food safety issue as you would like us to believe why isn't R-CALF demanding the banning of marketing beef from US OTM cattle in the US? Or is that an honor they reserve a right to impose on importing countries beef. Dennis McDonald said if BSE was ever found again in the US the US as a beef producing nation should not market beef from cattle older than 20 months. WHY IS THERE NO R-CALF RESOLUTION TO THIS AFFECT? Could it be because this is NOT A FOOD SAFETY ISSUE AT ALL BUT ABOUT THE MONEY? and banning the marketing of beef from cattle older than 20 months would just be to costly to the R-CALF membership?

And Robertmac who was it that claimed the lack of Canadian cattle imports was why the US producers were recieving record high cattle prices? R-CALF
Who said if the border was to open those record high cattle prices would drop because of the flood of Canadian cattle coming across the border? R-CALF
Who claimed this to be a health issue and then backed away from that stand when BSE was found in the US? R-CALF
Who took the USDA to court to delay the border openning so the US producers could reap the rewards of the high cattle prices? R-CALF
Who sold memberships and fund raised on the issue of keeping the Canadian border closed to protect those record high cattle prices and consumers :wink: ? R-CALF
Who was caught countless times lieing about the Canadian Beef industry as to further their protectionist agenda? R-CALF
See a pattern here Robertmac. No R-CALF didn't cause BSE but they have caused the biggest problem of all which was done by prolonging the issue with half truths, out and out lies and demands you have no intention of living up to just so they could REAP THE REWARDS/ PROFITS of the closed border!!!!!!! iF THIS WAS A HEALTH SAFETY ISSUE Then R-CALF would have STUCK TO THAT ISSUE and demanded the USDA ban US OTM beef sales in light of the failed investigations in the US on your native herd cases? It is all about the money and that is why there was no resolution passed by R-CALF and no demands upon the US system about banning OTM US CATTLE.
 
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Tam- This wind have you grounded again today- eh?

The whole question of the BSE safety and the USDA/CFIA's economic influenced science should have been allowed to be heard in court and judged by an unbiased party....If this Packer driven science is wrong- and 4th and 5th generation cases of BSE and/or God forbid cases of vCJD start showing up in 10 years whats going to be your occupation then?...Hint- don't think you'll make it operating the Big Beaver charm school....
 

Manitoba_Rancher

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OT and Haymaker you both need to take your heads and give them a shake. Haymaker should TX be barred from selling OTM cattle out of its borders? Youve got BSE and you ve likely got a lot more than we do if you checked more!! Can you say Britain?
 
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Manitoba_Rancher said:
Youve got BSE and you ve likely got a lot more than we do if you checked more!! Can you say Britain?

Remember those shirttails :wink: We fall you go down too.....
 
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