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Will BSE be the next movie

Econ101

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Manitoba_Rancher said:
OT and Haymaker you both need to take your heads and give them a shake. Haymaker should TX be barred from selling OTM cattle out of its borders? Youve got BSE and you ve likely got a lot more than we do if you checked more!! Can you say Britain?

Texas should bar the packer backed policies that the USDA/NCBA is shoving in everyone's face, but first they should ban foreigner so called cattlemen who fantisize about them in pink slippers on the 50 cent horse ride at the grocery store.
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Tam- This wind have you grounded again today- eh?

The whole question of the BSE safety and the USDA/CFIA's economic influenced science should have been allowed to be heard in court and judged by an unbiased party....If this Packer driven science is wrong- and 4th and 5th generation cases of BSE and/or God forbid cases of vCJD start showing up in 10 years whats going to be your occupation then?...Hint- don't think you'll make it operating the Big Beaver charm school....
BY UNBIAS do you mean CEBULL :shock: :lol2:
tell us Oldtimer how can you be UNBIAS when you are the Federal Court Judge that including the words beef coming from a country affected by BSE represents a GENUINE RISK OF DEATH to anyone that eats it???? How UNBIAS was that statement? Looks to me that just maybe the the Judges at the Court of Appeals were a bit more UNBIAS than CEBULL WAS when they looked at BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE and made their ruling and the WHOLE list of Ninth Court of Appeal Judges 40 some in all refused to hear R-CALF complaints again. NOT EVEN ONE :wink: And I think that if there are cattle producers in the UK still and they are now allowed to export their beef into foreign markets again the doom and gloom you predict can be marked up to MORE FEAR MONGERING. :wink:

BTW if our beef is such a health risk due to BSE Why hasn't R-CALF demanded the banning of US beef in light of the failed investigations on YOUR BSE PROBLEMS?? Come on tell us why no resolution was passed by the R-CALF membership to demand the banning of marketing beef from cattle over 20 months? I'm waiting for one of you R-CALFers to explain this. Maybe you would like to run down to corner pub and ask the boy for a few more distracting comments so you don't have to answer this simple little question. :wink:
 

RobertMac

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Tam, if the table had been turned, can you honestly say that you Canadians would not have tired to protect your herd and markets?
 

Tam

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Econ101 said:
Manitoba_Rancher said:
OT and Haymaker you both need to take your heads and give them a shake. Haymaker should TX be barred from selling OTM cattle out of its borders? Youve got BSE and you ve likely got a lot more than we do if you checked more!! Can you say Britain?

Texas should bar the packer backed policies that the USDA/NCBA is shoving in everyone's face, but first they should ban foreigner so called cattlemen who fantisize about them in pink slippers on the 50 cent horse ride at the grocery store.

Do you really think it would be smart for the Texans to believe the crap R-CALF is shoveling in everyone's face? that being all beef coming from a BSE affect area presents a human health risk. Tell us Econ why didn't R-CALF and their membership including HAYMAKER the TEXAS RANCHER, demand the banning of beef coming from Texas? Is the Texas herd not affected by BSE just like Canada's. and didn'y Haymaker just say today the the CANADIAN BSE is a health issue that needs to be controled and that is why no OTM cattle should be allowed into the US system? And please remember that R-CALF started their little demands on Canada in a letter to the Congress dated May 30, 2003 ten days after our FIRST case was discovered. So don't even think of using the old crap about well Canada has more, we had ONE CASE when they started in on their DEMANDS on the US CONGRESS.
 

Tam

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RobertMac said:
Tam, if the table had been turned, can you honestly say that you Canadians would not have tired to protect your herd and markets?

Well Robertmac if the tables were turn I would have to say the Canadian beef industry would have taken it as a warning that if the US had BSE then it was only a matter of time before it was found here. And I believe we would have taken that time to improve our system to handle the problem unlike what you did which was deny, point fingers, lie and blame. We had already implimented our National ID system in light of the world BSE problem but did you NO . You are still fighting about a system that just may have helped in finding the Alabama cows birthplace and contaminated feed source.
But I doubt you would have seen a BEEF ORGANIZATION in Canada telling consumers that US beef represents a huge health risk and risking destroying consumer confidence of all our beef just to keep your small imports out of our markets when the inevitable happened and we found BSE here. :roll:

BUT Please remember that if the tables were turned the Canadian Beef industry would, under OIE rules, had the right to DEMAND REQUIREMENTS of the US Beef industry. As under the OIE rules we would have the right to demand you have the same safeguards in place as we practice on our domestic herd. which means Robertmac NO CHICKEN CRAP among other thing could be fed to your herd, or maybe a system where your feed system is actually inspected to assure the claimed compliance record dealing with the Feed bans in CORRECT . Then maybe a higher percentage of the HIGHEST RISK cattle would have to be tested not slaughter house animals, and a requirement dealing with what test is used to confirm BSE positives so it doesn't take 7 months and a forced retest using the right test to find you do have BSE. These are just a few of the demand that Canada could have put on you.
 

RobertMac

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Tam, thanks for showing your bias...as if that wasn't already known. Self-preservation is human nature and to believe otherwise is not being honest with yourself. The Canadian beef industry is Tyson/Cargill and what would have eventually happened would have been what was good for them, as has happened.
You believe that current 'accepted' science is accurate science...I'm not sure of that. Until we have absolute accurate answers, BSE is of great concern although not wide spread....now! Do pray that years down the road we don't have wide spread vCJD(not even in England) or the conventional beef industry will die along with those patients. The time proven medical procedure for a disease such as BSE is QUARANTINE!!!!!!!!! That procedure has been negated for short term economic reasons. Pointing out these long term risk and the scientifically proven need to isolate populations until we have definitive answers is the prudent thing to do. This method has worked for years for hoof & mouth and has been the basis for controlling the world wide spread biological problems. I know you opinion differs...so be it.
 
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Big Muddy rancher said:
No Robert mac the time proven method for control of BSE is Feed bans.

Then you and the USDA scientists are already in conflict-- they testified to Congress in 2002 that the number one method for prevention and control was our ban on cattle and beef from diseased areas....The USDA quickly dropped this "science" when the packers forced their "economic science" on the world....Feedban was the "science of the day" until the packer driven economic science again said they couldn't do that- so they renigged on a bunch of the feedban- also it was becoming a shakey stand now with all the POST feedban Canadian cattle showing up...Then it was testing- until their testing proved out to be flawed or fraudulent.....Now the science of the day says SRM removal cures all- no matter if the animal is diseased or not- eat them all and put your trust in an illegal immigrant Tyson employee :roll:

Will 10-15 years time prove that R-CALF was correct with their worries- just like 10 years time showed that Oprah and Howard Lyman were right :???: :shock:

USDA/CFIA/AMI should have never started playing economical and political games with a long studied and developed safety barrier....And US citizens should have the right to question their governments ability and intent in removing that barrier...
 

Econ101

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Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
No Robert mac the time proven method for control of BSE is Feed bans.

Then you and the USDA scientists are already in conflict-- they testified to Congress in 2002 that the number one method for prevention and control was our ban on cattle and beef from diseased areas....The USDA quickly dropped this "science" when the packers forced their "economic science" on the world....Feedban was the "science of the day" until the packer driven economic science again said they couldn't do that- so they renigged on a bunch of the feedban- also it was becoming a shakey stand now with all the POST feedban Canadian cattle showing up...Then it was testing- until their testing proved out to be flawed or fraudulent.....Now the science of the day says SRM removal cures all- no matter if the animal is diseased or not- eat them all and put your trust in an illegal immigrant Tyson employee :roll:

Will 10-15 years time prove that R-CALF was correct with their worries- just like 10 years time showed that Oprah and Howard Lyman were right :???: :shock:

USDA/CFIA/AMI should have never started playing economical and political games with a long studied and developed safety barrier....And US citizens should have the right to question their governments ability and intent in removing that barrier...

I think the lack of political oversight into some of these issues should not be ignored. It means that the politicians are not doing their job and making the tough decisions. They are taking the easy way out and siding with the money.
 

Tam

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RobertMac said:
Tam, thanks for showing your bias...as if that wasn't already known. Self-preservation is human nature and to believe otherwise is not being honest with yourself. The Canadian beef industry is Tyson/Cargill and what would have eventually happened would have been what was good for them, as has happened.
You believe that current 'accepted' science is accurate science...I'm not sure of that. Until we have absolute accurate answers, BSE is of great concern although not wide spread....now! Do pray that years down the road we don't have wide spread vCJD(not even in England) or the conventional beef industry will die along with those patients. The time proven medical procedure for a disease such as BSE is QUARANTINE!!!!!!!!! That procedure has been negated for short term economic reasons. Pointing out these long term risk and the scientifically proven need to isolate populations until we have definitive answers is the prudent thing to do. This method has worked for years for hoof & mouth and has been the basis for controlling the world wide spread biological problems. I know you opinion differs...so be it.

So tell us Robertmac if you think The time proven medical procedure for a disease such as BSE is QUARANTINE, then why isn't R-CALF using your membership dues to lobby the US Congress to force the USDA to QUARANTINE the US herd. or at least the Texas and Alabama herds? Why did R-CALF back Creekstones plan to test for the exportation of US beef to a foreign country if the time proven medical procedure for a disease such as BSE is QUARANTINE ? Look at the Canadian beef system and then look at the loopholes you have in your system and tell us why our beef in not safe for export but Texas and Alabama beef is? If our beef is processed in US plants why is it a health risk but Texas and Alabama beef when it is processed in those same US plants is the SAFEST BEEF IN THE WORLD? Come on Robertmac either the The time proven medical procedure for a disease such as BSE is QUARANTINE or this is just words said to make you feel you are justified in stopping import trade in Beef from Canada. Which are you going to admit to? :wink:

BTW Robertmac how many definitive answers did you get from the Alabama investigation? :? and wouldn't it be the prudent thing to do to QUARANTINE that State and surrounding states until you know where the cow was actualy born and came into contact with the contaminated feed source? :wink:
 

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