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Will the info indict or will they get off on no INTENT

Tam

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I wish Shaffer and a few others would set Nunes, King and Gowdy down and explain to them about how things truly work in the Intel Community.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/03/25/tony-shaffer-donald-trump-wiretapping-case-worse-watergate-not-russian


http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/03/24/its-scandalous-rep-king-says-nunes-had-tell-trump-about-obama-surveillance


Somebody needs to go to prison for a VERY LONG TIME for this mess and I pray it is the highest levels of the Obama Adm. including Obama himself that have to answer for this. I hope this wakes up the Congress and they put some very sever limits on who the NSA is allowed to collect data on and only with a legal warrant no more scooping data to see who's girlfriend is cheating on who like some reports say the NSA employees were doing. If they do not seriously punish those responsible for what happen this could lead to a lot of people being held hostage by a corrupt government. The Blackmail that could be done is ENDLESS. If the NSA has huge buildings storing their info,the Congress should require them to be locked up and destroyed if the intel community miss used any of the info for POLITICAL or personal benefit. No more chances to infringe on peoples rights to privacy. They can explain away anything if given a chance but what happen here is way over the line of being right.
 

Steve

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It has come out Nunes had to go to the (WH grounds) to meet the source the day before the story broke,.. but what isn't told is that he had to go to a secure location to view the information.

sadly, the press can track down the location of this whistle-blower in a few days but can't track down the rest... that itself is telling in how biased the press is.. they know where they met, and now insiders can just look at the logs and tell who he met with.. as the so-called independent reporter said it is a matter of days and they will know the source.. (as one of the insiders will leak it?)

DC is one scuz filled swamp, and Nunes and the whistle blower just got mired in the muck. I expect the press will stop at nothing to destroy the source and anyone who is involved. It is no wonder Nunes ha not briefed the committee on this info yet..
 

Tam

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If the whistleblower works in the White House complex and would normally be on the registers then how is the media going to be able to tell who it was?

Now if the NSA pulled up the text Nunes received that sent him to White House grounds they might find out who texted him but they would need a warrant to get that unless they just break another law which I would not put it pass the Dark State Obama holdovers.

The Dems are nutz they tell us not to believe the DNC and Podesta emails as they were stole and leaked by Russia

Yet we are to believe the info that was stole and leaked about Trump being Wiretapped as reported by the New York Times and other liberal media outlets for the last few months.

Yet we are not to believe Trump's tweet about being Wiretapped as reported in the liberal media as he has no evidence to back accusations

Yet we are to believe the stolen and leaked info of Russia collusion even thou Clapper says the DNI, FBI, CIA and NSA have found no evidence.

Yet we are to not believe the info Nunes was legally given by a government whistleblower that proves Trump was wiretapped/ surveilled in some form by the Obama Adm as we don't know who the whistleblower is.

Do I have that about right.

Oh and lets not forget Session is to step down as AG as he talked to the evil Russian Amb. yet the Dems invited said Russian Abm to sit with them at Trump's first address to Joint Session.

We are not to trust Russia as they are our enemy yet Hillary sold them 20% of US Uranium and Bill received a $500,000 speaking fee from said enemy.

We are to be OUTRAGED the Russia interfered with US election but we are to say nothing about Hillary interfering with Russian election or Obama interfered with Canadian and Israeli elections.

Session is to recuse himself as he spoke to the Russia Amb. and therefore can not oversee the Russia Collusion investigation Yet his predecessor sat on a plane on an AZ tarmac with her good friend Bill Clinton while the FBI was investigating Hillary, just three days before the DOJ/FBI refrained from indicting Hillary on a STRONG CASE of mishandling classified info as SOS. Side bar on this Bill Clinton played a part in both AG Lynch's and FBI Director Comey's careers. No conflict of interest there.

Now we have the Dems yelling at Nunes to step down as he told Trump about evidence that could prove Trump was surveilled by Obama Adm. as Nunes played a small part in Trump Transition team. Yet again AG Lynch sat on a tarmac with Bill Clinton talking about grandchildren while her DOJ/FBI was investigating Hillary and the Dems said NOTHING to her about recusing herself.

GOD Help me I do not understand the open hypocrisy of the DEMS and their DO AS I SAY AND NOT AS I DO attitude. SICK TO DEATH OF THEM. I hope Sessions and Trump locked them all up and tosses the key out the window of Air Force 1 from 30,000 feet. But somehow I fear they will all walk as Comey will find there was no intent to spy, unmask and leak the names of the Trump team.
 

Steve

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If the whistleblower works in the White House complex and would normally be on the registers then how is the media going to be able to tell who it was?

secure areas have logs,.. you log in every time you enter and leave. So a person with authorization to review the logs can easily see who logged in now that the location and time is narrowed down.

In the old days of paper logs, they would have a piece of paper over the previous names and it could easily slip or fall to the floor.. but you had to at least be at the same location and there before the page was flipped to the next. Nowadays with electronic logs are a keystroke away fro anyone authorized to review them.

The whistle-blower would not have to work on the WH grounds, he/she may have felt that was the most secure place for them to meet and not be disclosed. it seems the info was connected to the WH executive, so they may have needed to access it there. everything secure is supposed to be compartmentalized to reduce the ability of prying eyes and leaks.
 

Steve

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Tam said:
Do I have that about right?


Yep,.. We should only believe what the liberals and media wants us to believe even if it defies logic, facts and common sense..

Or we could look at the facts presented so far and think independently and make up our own minds and realize the liberals and the press are so full of it they have lost about all credibility and shouldn't be trusted with any confidence, let alone sensitive information.






GOD Help me I do not understand the open hypocrisy of the DEMS and their DO AS I SAY AND NOT AS I DO attitude.

If you understood them we would be real concerned,.. :wink: :?
 

Steve

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Devin Nunes plot thickens, as his spokesman concedes he met source for surveillance claim at White House.

Tuesday night, Nunes went to the White House where someone showed him documents related to U.S. intelligence surveillance, according to his statement.

On Wednesday, Nunes announced to reporters that he had seen evidence indicating that people close to Trump had been subjects of surveillance during the transition. Asked to explain Nunes’ actions, Langer said in an email, “The information comprised executive branch documents that have not been provided to Congress. Because of classification rules, the source could not simply put the documents in a backpack and walk them over to the House Intelligence Committee space. “

He added: “The White House grounds was the best location to safeguard the proper chain of custody and classification of these documents, so the Chairman could view them in a legal way."




Who cleared Devin Nunes into the White House?

A former government intelligence official told CNN on Monday that members of Congress, like the general public, must be cleared and escorted into facilities on White House grounds.
"Every non-White House staffer must be cleared in by a current White House staffer," the official said. "So it's just not possible that the White House was unaware or uninvolved."

Nunes said he was there for additional meetings "to confirm what I already knew" but said he wouldn't comment further so as to not "compromise sources and methods." A spokesman for Nunes said he "met with his source at the White House grounds in order to have proximity to a secure location where he could view the information provided by the source."
A government official said Nunes was seen Tuesday night at the National Security Council offices of the Eisenhower building which, other than the White House Situation Room, is the main area on the complex to view classified information in a secure room.
The official said Nunes arrived and left alone.

so we already have our first official leak,.. now it is a matter of time before they "official" sources discloses more sensitive information and the press and liberals know who to work night and day to destroy.

seems the press can find a "source" if they want in a few days.
 

Tam

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Bill ORielly had Nunes on last night and he narrowed it down to Nunes met his informant on White House Grounds and they went to the Old Executive Office to review the info he had been told about. He said he goes there a couple times a week to view records the House does not have access to but he has clearance to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_0f8-5KEtc

The Dems have lost their figgin minds over the Trump election and it will not matter what Republican is put in as Chair of the Intel Committee, the Dems are going to find a way to destroy the person and demand a independent Investigation that THEY CAN CONTROL. As if anyone thinks the group will be INDEPENDENT and not loaded up with liberals that the Dems can manage to control narrative You are kidding yourselves. Nunes is getting too close to the truth and that is why Schiff and the rest of the loony left want him GONE. IF I were Trump I would grant him Secret Service Protection until he gets to bottom of the Surveillance story.
 

Faster horses

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Nunes has tried to do the right thing, I agree, he needs Secret Service Protection. But after someone stealing Trumps laptop out of a SS vehicle, can even THEY be trusted?
 

Tam

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It is funny how the Dems are accusing Nunes of calling off the open hearing of Clapper, Brennen and Yates as he is supposedly under orders from the White House, as they don't want what Yates has to say getting out. How damn stupid does Schiff think we are? Yates lawyers asked the DOJ if she could testify and they told her lawyer to check with the White House as the info is legally theirs. So the lawyer contacted the White House and asked, in the letter it said if they do not hear from the White House they were taking it as the White House had no objections. The White House did not reply as they had NO PROBLEM with her testifying.

If they did not want her testifying why didn't they just claim executive privilege like Obama did for Holder in the Fast and Furious investigation and not allow her to talk about the Flynn case or anything else that she might say. But Nope according to Schiff they ordered Nunes to call off open hearing where Clapper Brennen and Yates could not talk about CLASSIFIED INFO anyway.

How many times do the Dems AND STUPID REPORTERS have to be told the open hearing was POSTPONED to a later date, after the Intel committee had a chance to question Comey and Rogers again in a classified setting to get more info from them about what the FBI and NSA knew about the new info given to Nunes by a Government whistleblower. It is like Gowdy said why bother having another open hearing when 99 of the 100 questions asked in the first open hearing were, Can't answer that or won't answer that. Why have Clapper, Brennen and Yates testify in an Open hearing before they know just what they are dealing with from the FBI investigation and what the NSA collected on behalf of the Obama Adm?

If Schiff is so damn worried about being transparent with Clapper Bennen and Yates testimony why is he demanding an Independent investigation that is usually done with no transparency? If the Dems are in a hurry to get to the bottom of the Russia story why are they demanding an Independent Investigation that could take YEARS to get an answer from?

By Demanding an Independent Investigation they are more likely going to slow the info coming out to a snails pace and have the rumours hanging over the Trump Adm for YEARS? By getting rid of Nunes as Chair they are slowing things down too. So I hope Ryan and the Republicans keep Nunes right where he is and refuse to allow the Dems to have their Independent Investigation that will slow down the truth coming out. The US public and world deserve to know if the Obama Adm was using the US intel community for POLITICAL BENEFIT. We all need to know if the Wiretapping stories that the New York Times and other liberal news outlets were spewing for months were true, or whether they were putting those stories out to damage the Trump campaign by making it look like they were being investigated by the government to counteract the reports of Hillary being under FBI investigation.

As a Side bar the more I hear McCain siding with the Dems and asking for independent investigation the more I wonder what they might have collected on him and he is hoping will not come out by accident when Nunes starts digging into the records.
 

Steve

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As a Side bar the more I hear McCain siding with the Dems and asking for independent investigation the more I wonder what they might have collected on him and he is hoping will not come out by accident when Nunes starts digging into the records.

Never was a huge fan of him,, even less now. It is long past time for him to step aside, as he should have after his crushing 08 defeat..

WIKILEAKS: Did John McCain Ask RUSSIANS for Campaign Money?

Wikileaks Has The Nails for McCain’s Coffin

It turns out that McCain’s treason isn’t a new game one can blame on the inception of Trump’s political career. That would be too easy.

It was McCain who leaked the fake documents claiming Trump had ties to Russia and Russian prostitutes. He even went so far as to say possible Russian hacking into John Podesta’s email was an “ACT OF WAR.”

20 Oct 2008 statement from the Russian Federation to the United states in relation to an alleged letter from the McCain campaign requesting a financial contribution from Russia:

“We have received a letter from Senator John McCain requesting financial contribution to his presidential campaign.

In this connection we would like to reiterate that Russian officials, the Permanent Mission of the Russian Federation to the United Nations or the Russian Government do not finance political activity in foreign countries.”

Wikileaks staff have verified the authenticity of the document.

So now we know the real reason McCain hates Russia so much. He asked Vitaly Churkin for campaign money during the 2008 election. Apparently the “Maverick” didn’t get the funds.

Seems the left leaning snopes says it is false... yet,... ?

Despite the document’s being characterized by various blogs as “breaking” or a “bombshell,” it had been released by WikiLeaks back in October 2008, described as a public document released for possible political motives:
In a 2008 report published by the Associated Press, McCain’s campaign manager Brian Rogers said the solicitation was sent to Russian envoy Vitaly Churkin by accident. Churkin (who passed away on 20 February 2017) told reporters that the letter was not addressed to him using his official title, leading him to believe it was sent to him unintentionally:

The McCain campaign’s fundraising letter, dated Sept. 29, did not use Churkin’s formal title. That led Churkin to conclude the request stemmed from “a computer failure” by McCain’s campaign, Bakhtin said.

Bakhtin emphasized, too, that the “Russian authorities are in no way engaged in funding political campaigns or political activities abroad.” He said the mission had not sent any direct reply to the McCain campaign.

Brian Rogers, a spokesman for the campaign, said yesterday that he was unable to pinpoint what had caused the blunder.

“It sounds like they might have been sent to the wrong place. We obviously don’t solicit campaign contributions from people who aren’t able to contribute,” he said.



If John McCain wants to destroy Trump based on innuendo, then he should be prepared to take the same level of scrutiny and call for an investigation into his own illegal campaign activities..

as it was reported back then...
Here’s how the Associated Press put it at the time:

The Russians have turned down Sen. John McCain’s request for campaign money and had a bit of a laugh at his expense.

Russia’s ambassador to the United Nations, Vitaly Churkin, received a fundraising appeal from the Republican presidential nominee Thursday, said spokesman Ruslan Bakhtin.

The McCain campaign’s fundraising letter, dated Sept. 29, did not use Churkin’s formal title. That led Churkin to conclude the request stemmed from “a computer failure” by McCain’s campaign, Bakhtin said.

Bakhtin emphasized, too, that the “Russian authorities are in no way engaged in funding political campaigns or political activities abroad.” He said the mission had not sent any direct reply to the McCain campaign.

Brian Rogers, a spokesman for the campaign, said yesterday that he was unable to pinpoint what had caused the blunder.

so it isn't fake news, just an honest mistake.. an illegal mistake.
yet they then prove it is true,.. just a mistake... yea, really, it is as he was caught a mistake... I can buy that... :roll:
 

Steve

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Insane isn't it?

Sometimes when a person is deep inside an echo-chamber of like-minded ideologues, they might not realize what they’re saying is rather revealing to those on the outside. That’s the set up for former Obama administration official Evelyn Farkas (Deputy Asst. Secretary of Defense) appearing on MSNBC and admitting first hand knowledge the Obama administration spied on candidate and president-elect Donald Trump’s transition team to gather “intelligence” for political use.

It would appear Ms. Farkas was so caught up in the discussion, she didn’t quite realize the significant admissions she was making about the Obama administration spying on Donald Trump’s team and generating classified intelligence for Ms. Farkas (and others) to spread to Capitol Hill politicians. MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski recognized the ‘oh-snap’ admission and tried to play it off,… but by then it was too late.


Because I had a fear that somehow that information would disappear with the senior [Obama] people who left; so it would be hidden away in the bureaucracy, um, that the Trump folks – if they found out HOW we knew what we knew about their, the Trump staff, dealing with Russians – that they would try to compromise those sources and methods; meaning we no longer have access to that intelligence.

With the help of MSNBC, simultaneous to her admission of first-hand specific knowledge of the administration spying on Mr. Trump, Ms. Evelyn Farkas outs herself as the key source for a New York Times report which discussed President Obama officials leaking classified information to media.
Considerable irony jumps to the forefront when you recognize, the New York Times tried to protect Evelyn Farkas as the source of their reporting by stating:

“More than a half-dozen current and former officials described various aspects of the effort to preserve and distribute the intelligence, and some said they were speaking to draw attention to the material and ensure proper investigation by Congress. All spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were discussing classified information, nearly all of which remains secret.”

Whoopsie.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/28/oh-my-president-obamas-own-defense-deputy-admits-obama-white-house-spied-on-candidatepresident-elect-trump/

Stunning new development..



UPDATE: The plot thickens:

♦ Evelyn Farkas has stated freely on TV that she and a group of associates from the Obama Administration went to congressional staffers who did not have access to these COMINT products and urged them to seek to gain access to them.

At some point in the recent past Farkas was de-briefed (cut off) from access to the various kinds of compartmented information she had been given as a requirement of her prior job. When that occurred she signed some papers in which she accepted the responsibility to protect the secrecy of that information. (link)

♦ Evelyn Farkas is also a senior fellow of the Atlantic Council –SEE HERE– the Atlantic Council is funded in part by the US State Department, NATO, the governments of Latvia and Lithuania, the Ukrainian World Congress, and the Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk. The Atlantic Council has been among the loudest voices calling for a new Cold War with Russia

And guess who else is a senior fellow of the Atlantic Council? Dimitri Alperovitch – the founder and CTO of CrowdStrike! Alperovitch is head honcho of the Atlantic Council’s “Cyber Statecraft Initiative”.

♦ CrowdStrike, aka Dimitri Alperovitch was the organization that initially claimed they had evidence the Russians were connected to the Trump organization. A claim they have subsequently walked back –





On a side note, Dimitri Alperovitch ( a Russian expat) is somewhat credited for "linking" Russia to the hacks,.. but,... something interesting happens under closer scrutiny..
For instance, the malware used was an out-dated version just waiting to be found. The one other interesting point is that the Russian malware called Grizzly Steppe is from Ukraine. How did Crowdstrike miss this when it is their business to know?

Later in this article you’ll meet and know a little more about the real “Fancy Bear and Cozy Bear.” The bar for identification set by Crowdstrike has never been able to get beyond words like probably, maybe, could be, or should be, in their attribution.

The article is lengthy because the facts need to be in one place. The bar Dimitri Alperovitch set for identifying the hackers involved is that low.

Was the Ukraine unhappy with Obama and then Secretary Clinton's failure to honor the treaty we have with them to protect the sovereignty of their borders? Unhappy enough to throw the election in favor of anyone else?

There needs to be a real investigation... if people can find all this without the full force of the goverment, then why can't the goverment find these interesting developments?
 

Traveler

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She's so proud of herself, like a female James Bond or covert agent in her own mind, and when she really gets into it, it seems like her eyes operate independently of each other.
 

Faster horses

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Hannity said she was too dumb to know what she was saying.
If she was listening to his program, Hannity advised her loudly and often TO GET AN ATTORNEY. :shock: :D
 

Traveler

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Felony on top of felony. :lol: I wonder if she got coached by Tarmac Loretta Lynch? Nope, no scandals in the obama regime. :roll:

https://twitter.com/ConstanceQueen8/status/847278713993482240
 

mrj

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It's quite apparent even a very agile snake would get twisted into a corkscrew just attempting to follow all the twists and turns of these multiple plots and 'expose's!!!mrj
 
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