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Will the real R-CALFer please stand up.

Big Muddy rancher

Well-known member
I'm confused, we have two self proclaimed R-CALF supporters, Sandhusker and Oldtimer.
On one hand we have Sandhusker saying that R-CALF loves all Canadian ranchers and doesn't want to hurt us or our families by the border closure.

On the other hand we have Oldtimer telling us the market has slipped and it's all the fault of the open border and all ranchers should be sending more money to R-CALF to get the border closed again.

Do we wonder why R-CALF has credibility problems with two such prominent spokespeople spreading confusion across the World Wide Web.
 

HAY MAKER

Well-known member
Big Muddy rancher said:
I'm confused, we have two self proclaimed R-CALF supporters, Sandhusker and Oldtimer.
On one hand we have Sandhusker saying that R-CALF loves all Canadian ranchers and doesn't want to hurt us or our families by the border closure.

On the other hand we have Oldtimer telling us the market has slipped and it's all the fault of the open border and all ranchers should be sending more money to R-CALF to get the border closed again.

Do we wonder why R-CALF has credibility problems with two such prominent spokespeople spreading confusion across the World Wide Web.

Where is the confusion????? one man is telling you we dont need to further contaminate the North American cattle herd with BSE infected cattle..........Another is telling you we dont need your imports when there is a glut with high feed prices.
Now let me tell you what confuses some of us,you and people like you have already ruined our export market,what will it take to make you happy ? ruining the domestic market with infected cattle ?Now that is confusing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.................good luck
 

Econ101

Well-known member
BMR, if the Canadians don't control the packers with enforcement of good laws against lack of competition, otherwise good minded ranchers of the U.S. will have no other option than something as drastic as a full border closing.

Are you too dumb to see this?
 

DiamondSCattleCo

Well-known member
Econ101 said:
BMR, if the Canadians don't control the packers with enforcement of good laws against lack of competition, otherwise good minded ranchers of the U.S. will have no other option than something as drastic as a full border closing.

While I agree we need to ensure the competition laws are enforced, our packing industry isn't as concentrated (or at least no more so) as the US packing industry, so that simply doesn't wash as a good reason to close the border. We have three major packers up here, the US has 5. You also have 10 times the number of cattle.

Rod
 

Econ101

Well-known member
DiamondSCattleCo said:
Econ101 said:
BMR, if the Canadians don't control the packers with enforcement of good laws against lack of competition, otherwise good minded ranchers of the U.S. will have no other option than something as drastic as a full border closing.

While I agree we need to ensure the competition laws are enforced, our packing industry isn't as concentrated (or at least no more so) as the US packing industry, so that simply doesn't wash as a good reason to close the border. We have three major packers up here, the US has 5. You also have 10 times the number of cattle.

Rod

I agree Rod, but it is an option if Canadians don't want to share the same concerns. Why should anyone down here care if Canadians could care less? Present company excepted.
 

Big Muddy rancher

Well-known member
OH another one, Econ the director for Financial Irresponsiblity.



Econ ,R-CALF blames Canada for letting the concentration of our packers get to high and blamed for not doing anything. Well didn't you saythat Sask. numbers are a pittance to Nebraskas and the rest of the US. So we wouldn't make a difference according to what you said on another thread.

You should leave the PR to Haymaker.
 

Sandhusker

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BMR, "Econ ,R-CALF blames Canada for letting the concentration of our packers get to high and blamed for not doing anything. "

First of all, I don't think "R-CALF" said that. Secondly, if you allowed it to happen without a fight, you should be blamed.
 

Big Muddy rancher

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
BMR, "Econ ,R-CALF blames Canada for letting the concentration of our packers get to high and blamed for not doing anything. "

First of all, I don't think "R-CALF" said that. Secondly, if you allowed it to happen without a fight, you should be blamed.


So Sandhisker I personally blame you for letting the packing industry in the USA become concentrated.


Does that seem right?
 

Sandhusker

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
BMR, "Econ ,R-CALF blames Canada for letting the concentration of our packers get to high and blamed for not doing anything. "

First of all, I don't think "R-CALF" said that. Secondly, if you allowed it to happen without a fight, you should be blamed.


So Sandhisker I personally blame you for letting the packing industry in the USA become concentrated.


Does that seem right?

I never personally blamed you, why would you personally blame me? If I remember correctly, my words were; "You (meaning Canadians)".

I'm also doing what I can to dtop concentrating. I've written my Congressman and my Senators. I belong to a national organization that is fighting it. What did you do?
 

HAY MAKER

Well-known member
Big Muddy rancher said:
OH another one, Econ the director for Financial Irresponsiblity.



Econ ,R-CALF blames Canada for letting the concentration of our packers get to high and blamed for not doing anything. Well didn't you saythat Sask. numbers are a pittance to Nebraskas and the rest of the US. So we wouldn't make a difference according to what you said on another thread.

You should leave the PR to Haymaker.

Sorry to be blunt Big Dummie,but you stated you were confused ,I was just giving you my opinion,on others stance on positions,if I was wrong I stand corrected..............good luck
PS My opinion big dummie ,no one elses,when the threat of BSE is over and the *US* cattle man have country of orgin labeling,I will be one of the first saying open the border.
 

Big Muddy rancher

Well-known member
HAY MAKER said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
OH another one, Econ the director for Financial Irresponsiblity.



Econ ,R-CALF blames Canada for letting the concentration of our packers get to high and blamed for not doing anything. Well didn't you saythat Sask. numbers are a pittance to Nebraskas and the rest of the US. So we wouldn't make a difference according to what you said on another thread.

You should leave the PR to Haymaker.

Sorry to be blunt Big Dummie,but you stated you were confused ,I was just giving you my opinion,on others stance on positions,if I was wrong I stand corrected..............good luck
PS My opinion big dummie ,no one elses,when the threat of BSE is over and the *US* cattle man have country of orgin labeling,I will be one of the first saying open the border.



Haymaker the threat of BSE will never be over in the USA because you aren't looking for it and can't do anything about it when it does surface, just like finding a UFO.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
BMR, "Econ ,R-CALF blames Canada for letting the concentration of our packers get to high and blamed for not doing anything. "

First of all, I don't think "R-CALF" said that. Secondly, if you allowed it to happen without a fight, you should be blamed.


So Sandhisker I personally blame you for letting the packing industry in the USA become concentrated.


Does that seem right?

I never personally blamed you, why would you personally blame me? If I remember correctly, my words were; "You (meaning Canadians)".

I'm also doing what I can to dtop concentrating. I've written my Congressman and my Senators. I belong to a national organization that is fighting it. What did you do?


Well Sandhusker I have joined and am active in a organization that works for the betterment on the cattle industry. Many issuses from production limiting disease to trade issuses. In fact so much time and resources went into fighting a anti dumping case we are still paying for it.
We have great demands on the time of our voulunteer directors that are all active ranchers. Packer concentration is only one issue and we deal with many. Some are just as threating to our industry. Taxation,evironmental laws, production limiting disease,lands use, M'id, Age verification. We are a provincial organization that is an affiliate with our national group.
 

Big Muddy rancher

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
What have you guys done on the concentration issue?



We have one packer in Saskatchewan. What would you suggest? Kick them out.


Excuse me we do have another semi major packer working in the province. They are mainly a "Branded beef" that is trying a pasture to plate concept. They were using the other major packer to kill for them until they had their own kill plant going. SSGA has offered many chance for them to put their proposal forward. In fact they were at the same meeting that the SSGA hosted for that purpose that Big C and two other plant proposals attended.
Some of these plant proposals failed for many reasons. The major one was the glut of beef in Canada due to the closed US border.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Sandhusker said:
You're not concerned with national issues?


Many times the SSGA is the laed on national issues. We sent delegates to Ottowa twice this year. We have a industry driven M'ID and a industry driven V'AV. The government is pushing a M'AV and tracking system that the industry says in not goihng to work on the ranch and real commerce of the cattle industry. The SSGA SCF and Market operators and order buyers are all working together. We give direction to our national org as well as lobby the feds.
 
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