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Will This Advice Fall on Deaf Ears?

Sandhusker

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reader (the Second) said:
August 16, 2009
Obama Says to Lower Volume in Health Debate
By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

BIG SKY, Mont. — President Obama, on a four-state Western swing to promote his health care overhaul and visit national parks, asked Americans on Saturday to “lower our voices” in the debate, and accused the the media of paying too much attention to raucous protests at town hall meetings held by legislators.

“You know how TV loves a ruckus,” Mr. Obama said in his weekly radio and Internet address. “But what you haven’t seen — because it’s not as exciting — are the many constructive meetings going on all over the country.”

Mr. Obama has been on a public relations offensive to persuade Americans that overhauling the nation’s health care system will benefit not only those who lack insurance, but those who have it . As he has said in the past, he argued in his address that his plan would end current insurance industry practices of dropping coverage when people get sick or denying coverage for those with pre-existing conditions.

But he also used his remarks to try to tamp down some of the anger and unsubstantiated rumors that have drowned out other discussion about health care, like the assertion that his plan would establish government “death panels” that would decide when to euthanize the elderly. Mr. Obama dismissed it as it “one of the scarier sounding and more ridiculous rumors out there,” adding that opponents had distorted a provision that would allow voluntary visits with doctors to talk about end-of-life care.


“When President Roosevelt was working to create Social Security, opponents warned it would open the door to ‘federal snooping’ and force Americans to wear dog tags,” Mr. Obama said. “When President Kennedy and President Johnson were working to create Medicare, opponents warned of ‘socialized medicine.’ Sound familiar?”

Mr. Obama conceded that there is “plenty of real concern and skepticism out there,” and that some Americans do not believe government should take a role in solving the health care problem.

“These are legitimate differences worthy of the real discussion that America deserves — one where we lower our voices, listen to one another, and talk about differences that really exist,” he said.

The man has said many things on this topic (and others) that simpley weren't true. What leads you to believe that he's telling the truth now?
 

Steve

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interesting analogy:
Obama said:
“When President Roosevelt was working to create Social Security, opponents warned it would open the door to ‘federal snooping’” Mr. Obama said.

fears back then said:
The issuance of a single, unique number to Americans raises the risk that the SSN will become a de jure or de facto national identifier. This risk is not new; it was voiced at the creation of the SSN and has since been raised repeatedly. The SSN was created in 1936 for the sole purpose of accurately recording individual worker's contributions to the social security fund. The public and legislators were immediately suspicious and distrustful of this tracking system fearing that the SSN would quickly become a system containing vast amounts of personal information, such as race, religion and family history, that could be used by the government to track down and control the action of citizens. Public concern over the potential for abuse inherent in the SSN tracking system was so high, that in an effort to dispel public concern the first regulation issued by the Social Security Board declared that the SSN was for the exclusive use of the Social Security system.

and now the fear has come true said:
Today, the Social Security Number plays an unparalleled role in identification, authentication, and tracking of Americans. Because the identifier is used for many purposes, In recent years the SSN has become a de facto national identification number.

so be warned.. it did open the door to massive federal and business snooping..do not let this fall on deaf ears..

so how is it an unfounded fear, when history and facts proved the "fearmongers" right?
 

Lonecowboy

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As he has said in the past, he argued in his address that his plan would end current insurance industry practices of dropping coverage when people get sick or denying coverage for those with pre-existing conditions.


It doesn't take 1000+ pages to do that.
where did the saying "the devil is in the details" come from?
 

jigs

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R2, you again show your ignorance. of course Obama is saying "lets all calm down' he wants this to quietly pass in the night.... the more of a ruckus that is raised, the more it is shown for the masive tax and spend pile of BULL it is. and the more your sainted messiah is shown to be a marxist bastard.

this guy is hitler all over again.
 

Sandhusker

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reader (the Second) said:
He's speaking sensibly and maturely. This is not about FACTS as FH says, this is about behaving like adults and listening to each other versus yelling.

How can you say the man is speaking sensibly when, just this week, two different organizations had to step forward and say "That's not true"?
 

badaxemoo

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jigs said:
R2, you again show your ignorance. of course Obama is saying "lets all calm down' he wants this to quietly pass in the night.... the more of a ruckus that is raised, the more it is shown for the masive tax and spend pile of BULL it is. and the more your sainted messiah is shown to be a marxist bastard.

this guy is hitler all over again.

Well which is it, Jigs?

Is he a Marxist or is he Hitler?

Do you even understand the difference?
 

backhoeboogie

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reader (the Second) said:
He's speaking sensibly and maturely. This is not about FACTS as FH says, this is about behaving like adults and listening to each other versus yelling.

He's crying like a 3 year old that doesn't get his way. If his idea was a good idea, we would have gotten past this months ago. In fact, it probably would have passed under Bill and Hillary.

He needs to grow up and be an adult. He also needs to get away from story telling.

You must like fairy tales yourself.

Nothing Obama has done thus far passes the simplest of ABC Analysis.
 

hypocritexposer

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reader (the Second) said:
What is his motivation for wanting to improve America? I believe he is a genuinely well intentioned person and it shows. Healthcare is absorbing a huge portion of our GDP and crippling the U.S. None of you are employers of thousands of people who see the hit to your operating costs.

Versus wanting to financially rape America for big business like the Bush administration did?

The key to sparking this rebellion would be to expose the inadequacy of the welfare state. Cloward-Piven's early promoters cited radical organizer Saul Alinsky as their inspiration. "Make the enemy live up to their (sic) own book of rules," Alinsky wrote in his 1972 book Rules for Radicals. When pressed to honor every word of every law and statute, every Judaeo-Christian moral tenet, and every implicit promise of the liberal social contract, human agencies inevitably fall short. The system's failure to "live up" to its rule book can then be used to discredit it altogether, and to replace the capitalist "rule book" with a socialist one.

Their article called for "cadres of aggressive organizers" to use "demonstrations to create a climate of militancy." Intimidated by threats of black violence, politicians would appeal to the federal government for help. Carefully orchestrated media campaigns, carried out by friendly, leftwing journalists, would float the idea of "a federal program of income redistribution," in the form of a guaranteed living income for all -- working and non-working people alike. Local officials would clutch at this idea like drowning men to a lifeline. They would apply pressure on Washington to implement it. With every major city erupting into chaos, Washington would have to act.

Both the Living Wage and Voting Rights movements depend heavily on financial support from George Soros's Open Society Institute and his "Shadow Party," through whose support the Cloward-Piven strategy continues to provide a blueprint for some of the Left's most ambitious campaigns.
 

Sandhusker

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"I believe he is a genuinely well intentioned person and it shows."

To believe that, you have to ignore the plants in the meetings, his contradictions of his own statements, his continous "misspeakings", etc...

The man wants socialized medicine in this country, and he is doing anything and saying anything that he thinks will help him to that end. He's not well intentioned, he's a snake-oil salesman.
 

backhoeboogie

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Sandhusker said:
"I believe he is a genuinely well intentioned person and it shows."

To believe that, you have to ignore the plants in the meetings, his contradictions of his own statements, his continous "misspeakings", etc...

The man wants socialized medicine in this country, and he is doing anything and saying anything that he thinks will help him to that end. He's not well intentioned, he's a snake-oil salesman.

He title to this thread was "Will this advice fall on deaf ears?" It should be " are people dumb enough to fall for this rhetoric"
 

jigs

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badaxemoo said:
jigs said:
R2, you again show your ignorance. of course Obama is saying "lets all calm down' he wants this to quietly pass in the night.... the more of a ruckus that is raised, the more it is shown for the masive tax and spend pile of BULL it is. and the more your sainted messiah is shown to be a marxist bastard.

this guy is hitler all over again.

Well which is it, Jigs?

Is he a Marxist or is he Hitler?

Do you even understand the difference?

he is a marxist/ socialist but my refernce to Hitler was in the way he will lull the nation into a deep awe and fasination, then swoop in and take over control....

either way you look at it, he is bad for America
 

hypocritexposer

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reader (the Second) said:
Well you all fell for Bush and Cheney so I guess the answer is yes, some people are dumb enough.

And you let them ruin America and you would have them back in a heartbeat because they look like you and kiss your asses.

liar and a Racist
 

Sandhusker

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reader (the Second) said:
Well you all fell for Bush and Cheney so I guess the answer is yes, some people are dumb enough.

And you let them ruin America and you would have them back in a heartbeat because they look like you and kiss your asses.

I never voted for Bush and I was very critical of him on this board. If you'll check the archives, you'll find that, more than once, I called him the worst President that we ever had. I can't call him the worst President we've ever had any more. I would like him back if the only other choice was that lying socialist btard that we have now.
 

backhoeboogie

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reader (the Second) said:
Well you all fell for Bush and Cheney so I guess the answer is yes, some people are dumb enough.

And you let them ruin America and you would have them back in a heartbeat because they look like you and kiss your asses.

Isn't it amazing that if you tell the truth rapper2 acts like a cornered dog. There was nothing factual in this post. Pure childish emotion. I doubt she can reason with a 3 year old kid. In fact, my 3 year old grandson uses better reasoning that she does.

When you have a choice between presidents, you make the best decision between the two choices. There is no doubt in my mind I have always made the best choice.
 

jigs

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reader (the Second) said:
jigs said:
reader (the Second) said:
because they look like you .

spoken like a true racist there R2....

The pot calling the kettle black, jigs, verily :D
I am no racist, I am an AMERICAN...any one can be here if they apply themselves to a job, pay taxes, and speak ENGLISH. anything less is unacceptable. just get the hell out!


I also think you must PROVE you are legal to be president.....never thought it would be something we must ask for, but Chicago polotics at it's best has forced the issue.
 
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