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Will WI voters do it?

Tam

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I heard last night that three WI Democrat Senators are facing being recalled. Turns out WI voters do have the power to recall elected officials. The action is not a partisan effort either, it is a BIPARTISAN and even if the Senators do come back they may still face recall if they can't successfully explain their actions to the voters that are organizing the recall efforts. :clap:

If the Union backed Dems can get away with walking out then Democracy is dead plain and simple. The Public Sector Unions/ TRUMPKA will be totally running the country through the Dems if this is not stopped. :x So good for WI for standing up and telling their Senators to get back to work or ELSE.
 

Lonecowboy

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Tam said:
I heard last night that three WI Democrat Senators are facing being recalled. Turns out WI voters do have the power to recall elected officials. The action is not a partisan effort either, it is a BIPARTISAN and even if the Senators do come back they may still face recall if they can't successfully explain their actions to the voters that are organizing the recall efforts. :clap:

If the Union backed Dems can get away with walking out then Democracy is dead plain and simple. The Public Sector Unions/ TRUMPKA will be totally running the country through the Dems if this is not stopped. :x So good for WI for standing up and telling their Senators to get back to work or ELSE.

this is good news Tam- great news!
you're right this is a pivitol case.

Now, not trying to start another long discussion, but this is the second time today that you have post saying we are a "democracy", I let it go the first time, (apathy on my part I'm sorry) but find the word "democracy" in the Constitution, it isn't there. Republican is though! :D but not in the sense of Republican party.
"and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all"
we are a Constitutional Representative Republic, not a democracy!
true democracy would be mass chaos, we are ruled by laws NOT men!
 

Lonecowboy

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Larrry said:
Lonecowboy said:
we are a Constitutional Representative Republic, not a democracy!
true democracy would be mass chaos, we are ruled by laws NOT men!

Forgotten so many times.

Right you are Larry!
That's why I thought I'd mention it again:

America is a Constitutional Republic . . . NOT a Democracy

By Daneen G. Peterson, Ph.D.
Speech Given September 9, 2006 in Salt Lake City, Utah

How often have you heard people refer to America as a Democracy? When was the last time that you heard America referred to as a Republic? There is a very good reason that our Pledge of Allegiance refers to our country as a Republic and there is a very good reason that our Declaration of Independence and our constitution do not even mentioned the word "democracy".

Many people are under the false impression our form of government is a democracy, or representative democracy. This is of course completely untrue. The Founders were extremely knowledgeable about the issue of democracy and feared a democracy as much as a monarchy. They understood that the only entity that can take away the people's freedom is their own government, either by being too weak to protect them from external threats or by becoming too powerful and taking over every aspect of life.
They knew very well the meaning of the word "democracy", and the history of democracies; and they were deliberately doing everything in their power to prevent having a democracy.

In a Republic, the sovereignty resides with the people themselves. In a Republic, one may act on his own or through his representatives when he chooses to solve a problem. The people have no obligation to the government; instead, the government is a servant of the people, and obliged to its owner, We the People. Many politicians have lost sight of that fact.

A Constitutional Republic has some similarities to democracy in that it uses democratic processes to elect representatives and pass new laws, etc. The critical difference lies in the fact that a Constitutional Republic has a Constitution that limits the powers of the government. It also spells out how the government is structured, creating checks on its power and balancing power between the different branches.

The goal of a Constitutional Republic was to avoid the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy but what exists in America today is a far cry from the Constitutional Republic our forefathers brought forth.
 

Tam

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Lonecowboy said:
Tam said:
I heard last night that three WI Democrat Senators are facing being recalled. Turns out WI voters do have the power to recall elected officials. The action is not a partisan effort either, it is a BIPARTISAN and even if the Senators do come back they may still face recall if they can't successfully explain their actions to the voters that are organizing the recall efforts. :clap:

If the Union backed Dems can get away with walking out then Democracy is dead plain and simple. The Public Sector Unions/ TRUMPKA will be totally running the country through the Dems if this is not stopped. :x So good for WI for standing up and telling their Senators to get back to work or ELSE.

this is good news Tam- great news!
you're right this is a pivitol case.

Now, not trying to start another long discussion, but this is the second time today that you have post saying we are a "democracy", I let it go the first time, (apathy on my part I'm sorry) but find the word "democracy" in the Constitution, it isn't there. Republican is though! :D but not in the sense of Republican party.
"and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all"
we are a Constitutional Representative Republic, not a democracy!
true democracy would be mass chaos, we are ruled by laws NOT men!

De·moc·ra·cy   /dɪˈmɒkrəsi/ Show Spelled
[dih-mok-ruh-see] Show IPA

–noun, plural -cies.
1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
2. a state having such a form of government: The United States and canada are democracies.
3. a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.
4. political or social equality; democratic spirit.
5. the common people of a community as distinguished from any privileged class; the common people with respect to their political power.

:wink:
 

Tam

Well-known member
American Heritage Dictionary: de·moc·ra·cy


(dĭ-mŏk'rə-sē)
n., pl., -cies.
1.Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
2.A political or social unit that has such a government.
3.The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
4.Majority rule.
5.The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.

Majority rule I guess you are right the US is not a Democracy if Obama and the Dems can pass a bill that a MAJORITY DOESN"T WANT. And in the Case of WI where the Republican Majority Government can be held hostage by the disrespectful minority Democrats. :wink:
 

Steve

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Breaking: Wisconsin Dems throw their weight behind drive to recall GOP Senators
By Greg Sargent

The Wisconsin Democratic Party has decided to throw its weight behind a nascent grassroots drive to recall a number of GOP state senators, a move that will considerably increase the pressure on them to break with Governor Scott Walker, the Dem party chair confirms to me.

"The proposals and the policies that Republicans are pushing right now are not what they campaigned on, and they're extreme," the party chair, Mike Tate, said in an interview. "Something needs to be done about it now. We're happy to stand with citizens who are filling papers to recall these senators."

Previously, Wisconsin Dems had not publicly supported talk about recalling GOP Senators, in hopes of privately reaching a negotiated solution to the crisis. The Wisconsin Democratic Party's decision to support the recall drives represents a significant ratcheting up of hostilities and in essence signals that all bets are off.

Eight Republican Senators are eligible to be recalled right now, and various groups around Wisconsin are beginning to file papers to make it happen. Tate told me that the party would throw its organization behind such efforts

"We're an aggressive, on-the-ground group and we're going to be
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/03/breaking_wisconsin_dems_throw.html

while the above piece is an opinion, it shows how diluted democrats are..
and how many will follow them over the cliff..
 
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