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Wilson's Outburst and the Impact

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Anonymous

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CNN Truth Squad: Will health bill pay for illegal immigrants? An update
Posted: August 27th, 2009 01:32 AM ET
The statement:

Complaints that those in the United States illegally would get benefits under the health-care bill now before the House of Representatives have been a staple of the raucous public meetings some members of Congress have been hosting during their August break. At least two people raised the issue at a forum held by Sen. Ben Cardin, D-Maryland, on August 12, and Cardin's insistence that "Illegal aliens will not be in this bill — period — the end" was met with a round of jeers.

Facts and the Truth Squad verdict after the jump:


The facts:

The bill, HR 3200, would set up a health insurance "exchange," in which consumers could compare policies and choose a plan. It would create a government-run health plan to compete with private insurers in that exchange, and extend subsidies for coverage to people who aren't already covered by employers or federal programs like Medicare and Medicaid.

It specifically bars illegal immigrants from receiving those subsidies. Section 246, which is included in the part of the bill that sets up the exchange, forbids payments "on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

But when Cardin said undocumented workers "will not be in this bill," he appears to have missed one point: It may require them to buy their own coverage.

That's the conclusion of the Congressional Research Service, which issued a report on the topic this week. According to the CRS, noncitizens who can be considered "resident aliens" under U.S. tax law would have to buy insurance — and unlike immigration laws, the tax code doesn't distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants.

"Thus, legal permanent residents, and noncitizens and unauthorized aliens who qualify as resident aliens … would be required under H.R. 3200 to have health insurance," the new report states.

Critics say there is no way to enforce the ban on subsidies for undocumented workers, since the Democratic majority in the House turned back a Republican effort to explicitly stiffen citizenship checks. But Medicare and Medicaid already require those enrolled to provide "a substantial number of documents" to show they're U.S. citizens or legal residents, said Henrie Treadwell, a professor of community and preventive medicine at Atlanta's Morehouse University medical school.

Treadwell calls the issue a "red herring," since many of the estimated 10 million to 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States are getting treatment at emergency rooms already. Doctors are obligated to treat people who show up regardless of citizenship, and most of those costs are being absorbed by hospitals and state and local governments, Treadwell said.

"It is certainly not just something that disappears," she said. "We are paying now for care that is not preventive, and we are paying millions."

Some Republicans argue that the measure has left a loophole for undocumented relatives of legal residents to be covered. But Treadwell disputes that, telling CNN that based on her reading of the bills, "There is no loophole currently." The language in Section 242 of the House bill limits benefits to family members who are citizens or legal residents, she said.

In addition, a widely circulated e-mail critical of the bill states that a non-discrimination clause in Section 152 would require illegal immigrants to be covered by a public health insurance plan. But the first line of that provision forbids discrimination "except as otherwise explicitly permitted by this act."

The verdict:

False. A new report finds the bill could require illegal immigrants to buy coverage, but it clearly restricts subsidies to U.S. citizens and legal residents
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Sandhusker

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Wilson is absolutly right, Obama WAS lying.

It's already against the law for a hospital to deny emergency care to anybody, whether they're citizens or aliens. Is Obama going to repeal that? You're going to tell me that the same party that bends over backwards to kiss the asses of illegals is going to somehow deny them medical care? Puhleeeeeeze.
 

backhoeboogie

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Sandhusker said:
Wilson is absolutly right, Obama WAS lying.

It's already against the law for a hospital to deny emergency care to anybody, whether they're citizens or aliens. Is Obama going to repeal that? You're going to tell me that the same party that bends over backwards to kiss the asses of illegals is going to somehow deny them medical care? Puhleeeeeeze.

They cannot be refused at emergency rooms now. OT is on another thread talking out the other side of his mouth. The only way Obama could be telling the truth is if he repeals Clinton's rules about having to take people in the ER.
 
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Lonecowboy said:
This could all be solved by enforcing immigration laws already on the books.
Who's in charge of enforcement of these laws?

Well Reagan signed the major law- which also gave all those in the country amnesty- and made it against the law to hire illegals--
BUT
He never enforced it- nor did GHW Bush, Clinton, or GW Bush- and it isn't being enforced now...Instead the Dems and the US Chamber of Commerce (which has several Repubs in their pockets) are pushing for another amnesty...
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
Lonecowboy said:
This could all be solved by enforcing immigration laws already on the books.
Who's in charge of enforcement of these laws?

Well Reagan signed the major law- which also gave all those in the country amnesty- and made it against the law to hire illegals--
BUT
He never enforced it- nor did GHW Bush, Clinton, or GW Bush- and it isn't being enforced now...Instead the Dems and the US Chamber of Commerce (which has several Repubs in their pockets) are pushing for another amnesty...

Didn't somebody promise us "change"?
 
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Anonymous

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backhoeboogie said:
Sandhusker said:
Wilson is absolutly right, Obama WAS lying.

It's already against the law for a hospital to deny emergency care to anybody, whether they're citizens or aliens. Is Obama going to repeal that? You're going to tell me that the same party that bends over backwards to kiss the asses of illegals is going to somehow deny them medical care? Puhleeeeeeze.

They cannot be refused at emergency rooms now. OT is on another thread talking out the other side of his mouth. The only way Obama could be telling the truth is if he repeals Clinton's rules about having to take people in the ER.

I agree Sage- why does the truth hurt so bad that rightwingernuts like Backholer have to LIE so much?

Who was President in 1986....

A little hint- his initials were Ronald Reagan... And the man should be praised for signing the law- a law that every civilized nation in the world has that gives all emergency treatment....


In 1986, Congress passed a law commonly referred to as EMTALA (Federal Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, also known as the Patient Anti-Dumping Law) to address a growing concern that EDs were refusing to treat patients based on their inability to pay. This law requires every ED to provide a minimal level of care to all comers regardless of their ability to pay.
 

Sandhusker

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You want to get back on topic and explain to me what is going to happen under Obamacare when an illegal alien shows up to an ER with a broken arm? What's going to happen OT? Reader?
 
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Anonymous

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Sandhusker said:
You want to get back on topic and explain to me what is going to happen under Obamacare when an illegal alien shows up to an ER with a broken arm? What's going to happen OT? Reader?

He will be treated just like they are now, I'm sure...
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
You want to get back on topic and explain to me what is going to happen under Obamacare when an illegal alien shows up to an ER with a broken arm? What's going to happen OT? Reader?

He will be treated just like they are now, I'm sure...

Then you're admitting that Obama is lying.
 

hopalong

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
backhoeboogie said:
Sandhusker said:
Wilson is absolutly right, Obama WAS lying.

It's already against the law for a hospital to deny emergency care to anybody, whether they're citizens or aliens. Is Obama going to repeal that? You're going to tell me that the same party that bends over backwards to kiss the asses of illegals is going to somehow deny them medical care? Puhleeeeeeze.

They cannot be refused at emergency rooms now. OT is on another thread talking out the other side of his mouth. The only way Obama could be telling the truth is if he repeals Clinton's rules about having to take people in the ER.

I agree Sage- why does the truth hurt so bad that rightwingernuts like Backholer have to LIE so much?Who was President in 1986....

A little hint- his initials were Ronald Reagan... And the man should be praised for signing the law- a law that every civilized nation in the world has that gives all emergency treatment....


In 1986, Congress passed a law commonly referred to as EMTALA (Federal Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, also known as the Patient Anti-Dumping Law) to address a growing concern that EDs were refusing to treat patients based on their inability to pay. This law requires every ED to provide a minimal level of care to all comers regardless of their ability to pay.

If you add all the intentional lies tha backhoe has told as oppose to the ones you tell the score would be YOU 100000, backhoe 0,
You related to nono with your gay thoughts and name calling????

WHAT A MODERATOR FOLKS real class act!!!!!
 

hypocritexposer

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won't obama be pushing for amnesty in a few months. Will they still be illegals at that point?

didn't the number 47 Million include illegals? I noticed that was changed a little bit for last nights speech to 30 M

loopholes
 

MsSage

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Reader when you came back you said you were going to stay above the name calling and attacking and keep it civil ...what happened?
 
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Anonymous

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Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
You want to get back on topic and explain to me what is going to happen under Obamacare when an illegal alien shows up to an ER with a broken arm? What's going to happen OT? Reader?

He will be treated just like they are now, I'm sure...

Then you're admitting that Obama is lying.

No- I don't think anything in the bill gives the illegal immigrants anything more than what is already the law....They will not be eligible for subsidized insurance or anything but the very basics of emergency care- which is already current law....
Which like I said- I'm proud of Reagan signing since it is recognized as only a decent thing people do in a civilized country......

And interestingly since you and backhole seem to want to blame everything on Democrats/Clinton/Obama-- who was President in 2003? And what party controlled Congress?...

The Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act of 2003 contains a provision for $250 million per year for fiscal years 2005-2008 in payments to eligible providers for emergency health services provided to undocumented aliens and other specified aliens.

A little hint- his initials were GW-- and the cult was Republican... :wink:
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
This report outlines the treatment of noncitizens (aliens) under H.R. 3200, America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009. In particular, the report analyzes specific provisions in H.R. 3200, and whether there are eligibility requirements for noncitizens in the provisions. Within the bill, noncitizens are treated differently in several provisions. In 2008, there were approximately 37.3 million foreign-born persons in the United States. The foreign-born population was comprised of approximately 15.1 million naturalized U.S. citizens and 22.2 million noncitizens. H.R. 3200 includes an individual mandate to have health insurance, with tax penalties for noncompliance. Individuals who do not maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for themselves and their children would be required to pay an additional tax. Some individuals, including nonresident aliens, would be exempt from the individual mandate. fiNonresident alienfl is a term under tax but not immigration law. For federal tax purposes, alien individuals are classified as resident or nonresident aliens. In general, an individual is a nonresident alien unless he or she meets the qualifications under a residency test. Thus, legal permanent residents, and noncitizens and unauthorized aliens who qualify as resident aliens (i.e., meet the substantial presence test), would be required under H.R. 3200 to have health insurance.

Congressional Research Service
http://opencrs.com/document/R40773/
 

Steve

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
He will be treated just like they are now, I'm sure...

Then you're admitting that Obama is lying.

No- I don't think anything in the bill gives the illegal immigrants anything more than what is already the law....They will not be eligible for subsidized insurance or anything but the very basics of emergency care- which is already current law....
Which like I said- I'm proud of Reagan signing since it is recognized as only a decent thing people do in a civilized country......

And interestingly since you and backhole seem to want to blame everything on Democrats/Clinton/Obama-- who was President in 2003? And what party controlled Congress?...

The Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act of 2003 contains a provision for $250 million per year for fiscal years 2005-2008 in payments to eligible providers for emergency health services provided to undocumented aliens and other specified aliens.

A little hint- his initials were GW-- and the cult was Republican... :wink:

the problem is that these issues are not confined to this bill... the death panels are in the stimulates.. the illegal amnesty bill is to follow...

transparency and honesty would deal with the whole truth..
 

Steve

Well-known member
unauthorized aliens

good, we can cover them as they ain't illegals?

sure glad someone is skeptical of the Obama/dem transparency and honesty of those who are shoving stuff in the massive bills and shoving them thru..
 

backhoeboogie

Well-known member
hopalong said:
Oldtimer said:
backhoeboogie said:
They cannot be refused at emergency rooms now. OT is on another thread talking out the other side of his mouth. The only way Obama could be telling the truth is if he repeals Clinton's rules about having to take people in the ER.

I agree Sage- why does the truth hurt so bad that rightwingernuts like Backholer have to LIE so much?Who was President in 1986....

A little hint- his initials were Ronald Reagan... And the man should be praised for signing the law- a law that every civilized nation in the world has that gives all emergency treatment....


In 1986, Congress passed a law commonly referred to as EMTALA (Federal Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, also known as the Patient Anti-Dumping Law) to address a growing concern that EDs were refusing to treat patients based on their inability to pay. This law requires every ED to provide a minimal level of care to all comers regardless of their ability to pay.

If you add all the intentional lies tha backhoe has told as oppose to the ones you tell the score would be YOU 100000, backhoe 0,
You related to nono with your gay thoughts and name calling????

WHAT A MODERATOR FOLKS real class act!!!!!

What OT is not tellinr you is that it was Clinton who extended EMTALA to illegal aliens. (that was the original subject and not EMTALA itself)

Clinton was on the health care kick too. OT may not be old enough to remember that :D
 
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