Cal said:
stevec said:
So Steve and Cal are Pro-Life and Pro-War.
Figures.
Doulethink wins again.
If the Empire wants to kill somebody, it is okay, but if a woman wants to remove a few cells from her body, then that is a case for the Empire to control her.
What ever happened to the Bill of Rights and protections of the individual against government? Isn't that what all these wars are supposedly meant to defend?
Just to be clear, my position is Pro-love. Have sex, have the child, don't be afraid. A woman who is burdened by fear of her own child is not going to be helped by laws. If laws could make the world better, then all we would need to do is pass laws. Unfortunately, that is not how reality works.
So let's see, you're pro-life-- sort of but not really, but wouldn't lift a finger to protect it...Go figure. And since you don't think laws are of value, would you legalize rape and incest...as well as drug use?
I am pro-love.
Even God did not punish Cain, in this life, for his sins.
You want me to hate the women who have abortions, doctors that perform them, etc. I see a difference between the sinners and their sins.
You just want to cast stones, and bellow with moral outrage. But that is not loving your enemy, and does nothing to address the woman's fears.
If it is "murder" then what is defining murder as a crime? If it is based on the Commandments, then the commandments do not exist in a vacuum. You have to follow ALL of the commandment.
If murder is not based on the commandments, then an embryo is just a seed. It is not a tree. Do we say that eating an acorn is the same as felling a tree? Millions of sperm swim to the uterous. Do we say millions of lives died?
Saying that life BEGINS at conception is an intellectual farce. It CONTINUES at conception. There is no logical reason to be more concerned with a few cells inside the woman and not with the woman herself.
What is more cruel than the state attacking frightened and weak pregnant woman? You will put her in jail to punish her, but not lift a finger to help her.