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Womens rights

CattleRMe

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nonothing said:
a person who is liberal:is one who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways .....or so the dicitionary says.........


:shock: I must be liberal. Thank you for pointing that out!! :D
 

CattleRMe

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theHiredMansWife said:
Soapweed said:
theHiredMansWife said:
Abortions have occurred since the dawn of time, whether "legal" or not. :( Legislation isn't the answer, education is.

Abstinence makes the heart grow fonder.

My point precisely.

You can't legislate people into abstinence. That is something that is taught. Ie, education.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Very good points both of you.

My mother's famous quote for when she talked to me about sex as a teen: Abstince is best but if you are gonna do it make sure you are protecting yourself. Just know it will break my heart if you do. ~~~~Mothers are travel agents for guilt trips. :?
 

Cal

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stevec said:
Cal said:
stevec said:
So Steve and Cal are Pro-Life and Pro-War.

Figures.

Doulethink wins again.

If the Empire wants to kill somebody, it is okay, but if a woman wants to remove a few cells from her body, then that is a case for the Empire to control her.

What ever happened to the Bill of Rights and protections of the individual against government? Isn't that what all these wars are supposedly meant to defend?

Just to be clear, my position is Pro-love. Have sex, have the child, don't be afraid. A woman who is burdened by fear of her own child is not going to be helped by laws. If laws could make the world better, then all we would need to do is pass laws. Unfortunately, that is not how reality works.
So let's see, you're pro-life-- sort of but not really, but wouldn't lift a finger to protect it...Go figure. And since you don't think laws are of value, would you legalize rape and incest...as well as drug use?

I am pro-love.

Even God did not punish Cain, in this life, for his sins.

You want me to hate the women who have abortions, doctors that perform them, etc. I see a difference between the sinners and their sins.

You just want to cast stones, and bellow with moral outrage. But that is not loving your enemy, and does nothing to address the woman's fears.

If it is "murder" then what is defining murder as a crime? If it is based on the Commandments, then the commandments do not exist in a vacuum. You have to follow ALL of the commandment.

If murder is not based on the commandments, then an embryo is just a seed. It is not a tree. Do we say that eating an acorn is the same as felling a tree? Millions of sperm swim to the uterous. Do we say millions of lives died?

Saying that life BEGINS at conception is an intellectual farce. It CONTINUES at conception. There is no logical reason to be more concerned with a few cells inside the woman and not with the woman herself.

What is more cruel than the state attacking frightened and weak pregnant woman? You will put her in jail to punish her, but not lift a finger to help her.
So somewhere here in your blah blah blah meandering and jumping to conclusions, I will assume that you think rape and incest shouldn't be against the law.
 

Cal

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CattleRMe said:
[quote Jinglebob]

A womans body has nothing to do with whether she should be allowed to kill her own offspring. As long as it's not born, you think it's ok. After it is born, it is murder. Doesn't make sense to me. Just admit you want to kill anyone who is a bother in your life.......................................................................................... Didn't think so.


I think you aren't looking at the lives some of these unwanted children live. Have you ever cared for a child brought in due to lack of care and lacerations and infected sores covering their body? Have you ever cared for a child that socially was retarded due to lack of nurturing? Have you ever cared for a child molested? Have you ever cared for a child starved out that then gorges themself scared of when the next meal will come? Have you ever cared for a child that was given drugs to sleep so it wouldn't be a bother and their little body will never grow in the way it should have? Have you ever cared for a child abused by the hand of the people that had reckless sex and in no way planned on being parents or had the capabilities? Some of these unwanted pregnancies get to live hell here on earth. Is that fair to innocent children?

Jinglebob Quote: When you kill an innocent human being it is murder.

Then what is it when you take away a child's innocence?
You mean these things are going on while we have abortion on demand??? Gasp!!! How can that be?
 

CattleRMe

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:shock: Gasp! Think of the many more instances of mistreated children and abuse cases that would go on to those children that are products of women being "knocked up".

In a perfect world there wouldn't be abortion people who didn't want these babies would give them up for adoption. Want them to have what they as parents can't give them.

See the other thing is some of these parents that don't want them then get them and get a check that goes along with them. They want the federal help not the responsibility and the job of nurturing a child.
 

katrina

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Cattlerme; Gasp! Think of the many more instances of mistreated children and abuse cases that would go on to those children that are products of women being "knocked up".

In a perfect world there wouldn't be abortion people who didn't want these babies would give them up for adoption. Want them to have what they as parents can't give them.

See the other thing is some of these parents that don't want them then get them and get a check that goes along with them. They want the federal help not the responsibility and the job of nurturing a child.

Cattlerme:
This is where instead of making the goverment take care of these women and men faults and problems, we as parents as communities and as christians help take care of problems. It all starts at home.
Liberal thinking is that money (our goverment money) needs to pay for our problems. And that is not the answer...Come to the rez and I can show you first hand.
 

CattleRMe

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No need to go to the rez it's right here in my hometown daily.

I do not believe in the government handing out checks based on children however it happens. But the thing is through commodities and programs like WIC sometimes that is the child's meal. How do you do away with that? Yet we all know in some cases the commodities are sold for cash. Maybe these communities and christians could help by not buying a box of groceries for nothing.
 

katrina

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How do you do away with commodities?????? Easy.. You don't have them period. IF your daughter or son has a child then it's your responsibility as a parent to see that someone has a job. If they are capable of having sex then they are capable of working and being responsible. I get the impression that you have no idea of the abuse that goes on with selling of commodities. Another reason to stop commodities. It's time for people to be responsible for their actions and the choices they make in their lives. It's not the goverments fault or responsiblity.
 

CattleRMe

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If you notice I said that if the communities and Christians would NOT buy the commodities. I know they sell box fulls at a time for cold hard cash.

Ok so let's do away with commodities, wic, and free lunch programs. If innocent children are hungry who cares??? Is that how to view it??






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katrina

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NO.......... Not at all.....I live on the rez and I do not know of a neighbor that buys commodities..... Where are you getting your information????
Secondly this is where the churches and families of the communities step in to help those that need it.It's not the goverments job.
 

Faster horses

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I heard a sermon awhile back that had a different slant about the woman who gave all she had, though she didn't have much...

If the church was doing its part, the woman would not have been in this circumstance. Never thought of it quite like that before...
 

katrina

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FH, Sometimes the church really bugs me with there missionary work abroad when there is so much to do here at home... A real head scratcher.
 

Disagreeable

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If the South Dakota legislature truly believed abortion was equal to murder, why did they make this a Class 5 felony? Is the deliberate murder of a live, breathing child only a Class 5 felony? What a joke. A bad joke, but obviously a joke.
 

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