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Wonders of the Pill

Martin Jr.

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What the Pill has done for our society:

Some have thought that the birth control pill would give women more control over their lives, making them more independent and improving womens health, etc. and would eleminate the "need" for abortion.

It has trasformed American culture, altering attitudes, values, beliefs, relationships and social behavior, leading to a substantial increase in casual sexual activity outside marriage.

It has made casual sex normal, leading to an epidemic of sexually transmitted diseases and to far more unintended pregnacies.
This has led to an increase of abortions and single parenting, as men began to see less need for a commitment to marriage.

Between 2000 and 2010 the proportion of married couples with children decreased more than 6% while the proportion of single-mother families increased over 13%.
Hormonal contraceptives have increased women's risk of blood clots that can lead to fatal heart attacks, strokes, breast cancer, cervical and liver tumors, loss of bone density, etc.

Contraceptives have a high failure rate: 54% of women seeking abortions state that they were using contraception on the month they became pregnant.
Failure rate is far higher among single teens than among married adults over 30. Of low income, cohabitating teens nearly 50% using the pill will become pregnant within 12 months as will nearly 3 in 4 condom users.

41% of births in the U.S. are nonmarital, up from 17% thirty years ago.

Decide for yourself, is the 'Pill' good for our society?
 

gmacbeef

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I just wish that Oblamea's ,Biden's, Pelosi's, Reed's, & MANY, MANY OTHER Democrats parents would have used it...... 8)
 

gmacbeef

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gmacbeef said:
I just wish that Oblamea's ,Biden's, Pelosi's, Reed's, & MANY, MANY OTHER Democrats parents would have used it...... 8)
I also have considered that forced sterilization is a good idea in certain cases....... :wink:
 

sweetbasil

Well-known member
Martin Jr. said:
What the Pill has done for our society:

Some have thought that the birth control pill would give women more control
It has trasformed American culture, altering attitudes, values, beliefs, over their lives, making them more independent and improving womens health, etc. and would eleminate the "need" for abortion.
relationships and social behavior, leading to a substantial increase in casual sexual activity outside marriage.

It has made casual sex normal, leading to an epidemic of sexually transmitted diseases and to far more unintended pregnacies.
This has led to an increase of abortions and single parenting, as men began to see less need for a commitment to marriage.

Between 2000 and 2010 the proportion of married couples with children decreased more than 6% while the proportion of single-mother families increased over 13%.
Hormonal contraceptives have increased women's risk of blood clots that can lead to fatal heart attacks, strokes, breast cancer, cervical and liver tumors, loss of bone density, etc.

Contraceptives have a high failure rate: 54% of women seeking abortions state that they were using contraception on the month they became pregnant.
Failure rate is far higher among single teens than among married adults over 30. Of low income, cohabitating teens nearly 50% using the pill will become pregnant within 12 months as will nearly 3 in 4 condom users.

41% of births in the U.S. are nonmarital, up from 17% thirty years ago.

Decide for yourself, is the 'Pill' good for our society?


I firmly believe that if I get the privilge of having children one day, it will be my responsibility to teach that child values, among those values is educating that child about the consequences of being sexually active at an early age. Not many parents nowadays have heart-to-heart talks with their children about such sensitive (e.g., sex, birth control, etc.) topics that can change a young person's life completely. Sometimes I wish we could have some of the values we did before, where we took pride in our families and set examples for our young generations; through those values it helped our country become an example for others to follow... Now television is pure trash; only promotes sex, food, drugs, and materiastic things...
 

TSR

Well-known member
Martin Jr. said:
What the Pill has done for our society:

Some have thought that the birth control pill would give women more control over their lives, making them more independent and improving womens health, etc. and would eleminate the "need" for abortion.

It has trasformed American culture, altering attitudes, values, beliefs, relationships and social behavior, leading to a substantial increase in casual sexual activity outside marriage.

It has made casual sex normal, leading to an epidemic of sexually transmitted diseases and to far more unintended pregnacies.
This has led to an increase of abortions and single parenting, as men began to see less need for a commitment to marriage.

Between 2000 and 2010 the proportion of married couples with children decreased more than 6% while the proportion of single-mother families increased over 13%.
Hormonal contraceptives have increased women's risk of blood clots that can lead to fatal heart attacks, strokes, breast cancer, cervical and liver tumors, loss of bone density, etc.

Contraceptives have a high failure rate: 54% of women seeking abortions state that they were using contraception on the month they became pregnant.
Failure rate is far higher among single teens than among married adults over 30. Of low income, cohabitating teens nearly 50% using the pill will become pregnant within 12 months as will nearly 3 in 4 condom users.

41% of births in the U.S. are nonmarital, up from 17% thirty years ago.

Decide for yourself, is the 'Pill' good for our society?

Martin Jr. I believe you to be a good man. I ask what would be the statistics w/out the pill/condoms????
 

TSR

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No one knows,but everyone has a certain amount of intellect and can consider the numbers and how society has changed during the years and can present their own opinion. I'm asking for an opinion.
 

Martin Jr.

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We can only guess as to what the statistcs would be, but It is obvious that contraception has changed our society.


A question I would ask is "How has contraception and abortion advanced the dignity of women?"
 

TSR

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Martin Jr. said:
We can only guess as to what the statistcs would be, but It is obvious that contraception has changed our society.


A question I would ask is "How has contraception and abortion advanced the dignity of women?"

Martin, As with other social issues one's ideology will play a role in answering your question. I would say that contraception has prevented many abortions, does this equate to more dignity---what a question,too many variables. Is dignity advanced when you are relegated to living in a housing project with 5 kids and depending on the gov. to survive? Personally I hate abortions even in the case of incest or rape but I know even if outlawed, they are going to take place, possibly putting the woman's life at risk. I still struggle with this issue.
 

Martin Jr.

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Yes, these are hard questions.

Statistics show that as contraception increased, abortion increased.
This seems to be that abortion is used as a backup if contracepton fails, and contraception is far from being 100%. Also contraception promotes sex between unmarried couples.

Then there is the question: why is someone living in a housing project with only government help? Is there other means of support, and why not?
 

TSR

Well-known member
Martin, you're right, hard questions. Many teen girls are given b/c pills for reasons other than contraception. Of course we don't live in a foreign country but contraceptive use in foreign countries has cut maternal deaths by 44%. I know, I know, you have to be careful about statistics. Here's another, 98% of US women have used b/c at some point in their lives, 62% are still using b/c. All this from Wikipedia. Have a good one.
 

sweetbasil

Well-known member
Martin Jr. said:
We can only guess as to what the statistcs would be, but It is obvious that contraception has changed our society.


A question I would ask is "How has contraception and abortion advanced the dignity of women?"

From a woman perspective, I say that having access to contraception has
"advanced my dignity" because I havesome "power" to prevent a pregancy, even though I don't have 100% guarantee. Also by having access to contraception, I feel like a responsible person by at least doing my part to not bring a child to this world if I feel like I am "not ready" to provide for him/her right at this moment. Do I still risk it, absolutely, but at least I am trying to be responsible. In the other hand, even when people are married, the need for contraception is a necessity... When we feel in "control" of something in our lives it leads to feeling dignified.

Regarding abortion and the advancement of a woman's dignity, I can only see this happening in the case of rape or incest... I just can't see how a woman will be dignified seeing a child's face who was conceived in the case of rape...
 

TexasBred

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sweetbasil said:
From a woman perspective, I say that having access to contraception has
"advanced my dignity" because I havesome "power" to prevent a pregancy, even though I don't have 100% guarantee. Also by having access to contraception, I feel like a responsible person by at least doing my part to not bring a child to this world if I feel like I am "not ready" to provide for him/her right at this moment. Do I still risk it, absolutely, but at least I am trying to be responsible. In the other hand, even when people are married, the need for contraception is a necessity... When we feel in "control" of something in our lives it leads to feeling dignified.

Would't being able to control your sexual needs and urgest during periods of ovulation give you the same feelings of dignity???? People have been doing this for hundreds of years. Not everybody had 14 children before "contraception". Actually very few did. They used common sense and self control.
 

sweetbasil

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gmacbeef said:
gmacbeef said:
I just wish that Oblamea's ,Biden's, Pelosi's, Reed's, & MANY, MANY OTHER Democrats parents would have used it...... 8)
I also have considered that forced sterilization is a good idea in certain cases....... :wink:


Honestly, I knew someone who could have used this idea! :wink:
 

Yanuck

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TexasBred said:
sweetbasil said:
From a woman perspective, I say that having access to contraception has
"advanced my dignity" because I havesome "power" to prevent a pregancy, even though I don't have 100% guarantee. Also by having access to contraception, I feel like a responsible person by at least doing my part to not bring a child to this world if I feel like I am "not ready" to provide for him/her right at this moment. Do I still risk it, absolutely, but at least I am trying to be responsible. In the other hand, even when people are married, the need for contraception is a necessity... When we feel in "control" of something in our lives it leads to feeling dignified.

Would't being able to control your sexual needs and urgest during periods of ovulation give you the same feelings of dignity???? People have been doing this for hundreds of years. Not everybody had 14 children before "contraception". Actually very few did. They used common sense and self control.
Not in any of my Irish Catholic ancestors...they usually had more!
 

sweetbasil

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TexasBred said:
sweetbasil said:
From a woman perspective, I say that having access to contraception has
"advanced my dignity" because I havesome "power" to prevent a pregancy, even though I don't have 100% guarantee. Also by having access to contraception, I feel like a responsible person by at least doing my part to not bring a child to this world if I feel like I am "not ready" to provide for him/her right at this moment. Do I still risk it, absolutely, but at least I am trying to be responsible. In the other hand, even when people are married, the need for contraception is a necessity... When we feel in "control" of something in our lives it leads to feeling dignified.

Would't being able to control your sexual needs and urgest during periods of ovulation give you the same feelings of dignity???? People have been doing this for hundreds of years. Not everybody had 14 children before "contraception". Actually very few did. They used common sense and self control.

Hi "TexasBred",
You make a good point, being able to control one's desires in a responsible way is sure a way to make one feel dignified; however, we can't really trust our bodies that our ovulations periods will be the same every month as outside factors (e.g., stress etc.) influence our cycles.

I tried seeing this issue from Martin's perspective and I believe he makes good points; but the pill can be use for other benefits (fix a woman's hormone imbalance) as well. Once again, I believe strong values makes a person feel dignified and leads to making responsible choices in life regardless of what resources we have available.I just think that our values as society has drastically changed over the years, and it is not for the better... Engaging in sexual activity is being promoted everywhere, so no wonder we have so many teenagers pregnant every year...
 

Martin Jr.

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I don't believe that anyone has a problem with using the 'pill' for other uses than birth control.

Modern methods avoiding sexual activity during periods of ovulation evaluate not only monthly cycles, but other indications also and are considered to be more effective than the pill.

There is the last few years an indication that teens and young women are moving more to chastity than in the past, and that is a good sign
 

TexasBred

Well-known member
Yanuck said:
Would't being able to control your sexual needs and urgest during periods of ovulation give you the same feelings of dignity???? People have been doing this for hundreds of years. Not everybody had 14 children before "contraception". Actually very few did. They used common sense and self control.
Not in any of my Irish Catholic ancestors...they usually had more![/quote]
Yanuck maybe they just couldn't or wouldn't count. :wink: My family is all Catholic and the most any of us have is 4 children. My wife has always said she knew exactly when she was ovulating. She could feel it. (Age has also taken care of that now)
 

Yanuck

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TexasBred said:
Yanuck said:
Would't being able to control your sexual needs and urgest during periods of ovulation give you the same feelings of dignity???? People have been doing this for hundreds of years. Not everybody had 14 children before "contraception". Actually very few did. They used common sense and self control.
Not in any of my Irish Catholic ancestors...they usually had more!
Yanuck maybe they just couldn't or wouldn't count. :wink: My family is all Catholic and the most any of us have is 4 children. My wife has always said she knew exactly when she was ovulating. She could feel it. (Age has also taken care of that now)[/quote]

At least 6 is the norm when I was growing up, Aunt and Uncle had 11..four under the age of six :shock: , my Mom had at 10 pregnancies, 7 living kids. Our elevator agent had 23 living kids in his family...the oldest one died in WW 2 shortly before the youngest was born, the baby was named for him.
 
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