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Would You Eat KNOWN BSE POSITIVE Beef?

Would You Eat KNOWN BSE POSITIVE Beef?

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Anonymous

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All the arguing on here-- on SRM removal and the safety it provides for BSE....
Think about this- and answer honestly- Would you eat hamburger or a T-Bone from a KNOWN POSITIVE BSE infected cow that had been processed normally with SRM removal.....
 

Tex

Well-known member
No, I would find out where mrj had her meat processed and let them exchange it there, after srms were removed, of course. :lol: :lol:
 

mrj

Well-known member
Poor boys, your premise that BSE testing is a must to assure safe beef has been shot down yet again, so you attack with what you seem to think is cutesy slams at me and a bogus poll.

Better cut youf booze back to my possible .5 alcoholic beverages per week and clear your minds!

mrj
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
mrj said:
Poor boys, your premise that BSE testing is a must to assure safe beef has been shot down yet again, so you attack with what you seem to think is cutesy slams at me and a bogus poll.

Better cut youf booze back to my possible .5 alcoholic beverages per week and clear your minds!

mrj

How did you vote, MRJ?
 

mrj

Well-known member
I didn't vote. I rarely do on these silly 'polls'. However, to hear you and your cohorts tell it, anyone who buys and eats any 'commodity' beef probably has eaten some, as at least a couple of R-CALF directors like to imply that without testing, we do not know if BSE beef has been slaughtered and sold as food.

If we accept the best science available on the subject, it would be safe to eat Beef from an animal that had BSE.

From any EVIDENCE currently available, I personally wonder if BSE is simply an extremely rare, randomly occuring anomally possible in ALL mammals or animals having protein in their bodies.

And don't waste our time scourging me for stating that because it is simply an idea that has come to mind, and I wonder about the possibility.

mrj
 
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Anonymous

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Maxine
From any EVIDENCE currently available, I personally wonder if BSE is simply an extremely rare, randomly occuring anomally possible in ALL mammals or animals having protein in their bodies.

Yep-- that sounds like a good "best science available" position coming from an NCBA member-- stick our heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist-- or at least tell people/consumers that cause we sold out our honor and morals to the packer pocketbook long ago.... :roll: :( :( :( :mad: :mad: :mad:

Maxine-- why did 20 years ago NCA/NCBA ask for stopping all imports of cattle and MBM material from the UK/Europe if they thought this was all an "anomally" :???:
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
mrj said:
I didn't vote. I rarely do on these silly 'polls'. However, to hear you and your cohorts tell it, anyone who buys and eats any 'commodity' beef probably has eaten some, as at least a couple of R-CALF directors like to imply that without testing, we do not know if BSE beef has been slaughtered and sold as food.

If we accept the best science available on the subject, it would be safe to eat Beef from an animal that had BSE.

From any EVIDENCE currently available, I personally wonder if BSE is simply an extremely rare, randomly occuring anomally possible in ALL mammals or animals having protein in their bodies.

And don't waste our time scourging me for stating that because it is simply an idea that has come to mind, and I wonder about the possibility.

mrj

So would you eat it? Would you serve it to your family?
 

mrj

Well-known member
Another assinine attack by OT, surprise! Surprise!

Where can any person with ability to think believe that my stating that I WONDER about BSE origin/cause means that it is what NCBA bases policy decisions upon, or vice versa????

It is a curiosity, a question, about a situation that the best of science does not totally agree upon.

Which internationally known and respected scientific body claims to have all answers to cause and effect of BSE, TSE's, or related problems, with the peer reviewed and accepted research to back their claims?

Obviously, NCBA acted upon the BEST INFORMATION from the BEST SCIENCE COMMUNITIES available AT THAT TIME.

Additionally, what international scientific communities do not accept SRM removal as the safest means available for protecting consumers from BSE?

mrj
 

Tex

Well-known member
mrj said:
Another assinine attack by OT, surprise! Surprise!

Where can any person with ability to think believe that my stating that I WONDER about BSE origin/cause means that it is what NCBA bases policy decisions upon, or vice versa????

It is a curiosity, a question, about a situation that the best of science does not totally agree upon.

Which internationally known and respected scientific body claims to have all answers to cause and effect of BSE, TSE's, or related problems, with the peer reviewed and accepted research to back their claims?

Obviously, NCBA acted upon the BEST INFORMATION from the BEST SCIENCE COMMUNITIES available AT THAT TIME.

Additionally, what international scientific communities do not accept SRM removal as the safest means available for protecting consumers from BSE?

mrj

The Japanese. They tested all until they knew they didn't have it anymore. If they just believed in SRM removal, we would have been in their markets a long time ago competing with Australia.
 
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Anonymous

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Maxine
Additionally, what international scientific communities do not accept SRM removal as the safest means available for protecting consumers from BSE?

Actually Maxine---Most of the countries that have found BSE- have not trusted just SRM removal-- UK, Europe, Japan have all removed SRM's and tested all...The UK went so far as to ban everything over 30 months from the food chain- even if it was tested and had SRM removal....Its only been lately they are allowing older beef- that has been tested and had SRM removal.....

Its the US and Canada- USDA and CFIA promoted by the Packer Mafia which was backed by the NCBA that went against the worldwide norm...
 

Mike

Well-known member
The NCBA backed a plan in 2001 and pitched it to the USDA to put a "BSE FREE" label on all beef being shipped to Japan from the USA.

Seeing as how there was VERY little testing, NO SRM removal, and with the practice of harvesting downers, the USDA made probably the only wise decision they have ever made and turned down the proposal. :roll:

******************************************************
BSE


December 10, 2001

Honorable Ann M. Veneman
Secretary of Agriculture
U.S. Department of Agriculture
Washington, D.C. 20250

Dear Secretary Veneman:

As you know, the discovery of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) in Japan is continuing to contribute to a huge market loss for U.S. beef exporters, processors and producers. This dramatic drop in exports is, of course, being translated into significantly lower U.S. cattle prices and contributing to an overall decline in U.S. agricultural exports.

All facets of the beef industry have worked closely in an effort to restore Japanese consumer confidence and revitalize this market. USDA officials have been extremely cooperative and have provided excellent information and representation on this issue both in the U.S. and Japan. The entire industry is extremely appreciative of these efforts.

The technical information supplied by USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service has been helpful in providing assurance to the Japanese meat trade that US beef products are safe. We also very much appreciate the work done by the Department, including your personal involvement, in connection with the recently released Harvard Risk Assessment.

Our beef exports to Japan, however, continue to be severely depressed. To assist in restoring confidence in U.S. beef, Japanese importers of our beef have strongly recommended that a formal "BSE Free" statement be included on all export certificates issued for shipments of U.S. beef to Japan. The U.S. beef industry fully agrees with this recommendation.

Accordingly, we request that USDA provide appropriate language on all export certificates indicating that rigorous monitoring and testing have demonstrated that BSE is not present in the U.S. cattle herd. We are confident that the inclusion of such a statement on each export certificate will help restore Japanese consumer confidence in U.S. beef, rebuild this critically important market, and strengthen U.S. cattle prices.

Thank you for the support you have provided. We would greatly appreciate your assistance on this additional matter.

Sincerely,



American Meat Institute
National Cattlemen's Beef Association
U.S. Meat Export Federation
 

mrj

Well-known member
What you ignore is that I won't participate in a silly, fake poll set up to promote your agenda.

Additionally, is the fact that since your previous posts indicate you don't believe SRM removal is effective in providing safe beef, why do you think we are not eating beef from BSE positive cattle?

Surely you don't think it is impossible that there's any BSE beef in the US, given your anti-Canadian beef rhetoric???

mrj
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
mrj said:
What you ignore is that I won't participate in a silly, fake poll set up to promote your agenda.

Additionally, is the fact that since your previous posts indicate you don't believe SRM removal is effective in providing safe beef, why do you think we are not eating beef from BSE positive cattle?

Surely you don't think it is impossible that there's any BSE beef in the US, given your anti-Canadian beef rhetoric???

mrj

I'm not asking you to participate in the poll. I'm asking you straight out and you find answering very uncomfortable. I'm beginning to think that you don't believe your own rhetoric.

If you truly feel that SRM removal assures beef safety as you proclaim, what is so hard about answering, "Yes, I would serve beef from a BSE positive animal to my family as long as SRMs were removed"? Why the dancing?
 

mrj

Well-known member
Sandhusker, it isn't that I have any discomfort with th question of eating or not eating or serving beef from a known BSE animal.

It is that it drives you up the wall when people do not answer your questions, even as you fail to answer others' questions of you.

Tex, what was the date of the latest Japanese case of BSE? Some on this site say BSE can remain dormant, or not develop in an animal for many years. How many years will Japan need to test with no positives to ASSURE that there is none in their herd?

OT, I'm taking your statement with a grain of salt, remembering that your many of your previous 'statements' haven't held up all that well, but there may have similar information out that I've not yet seen. I believe you discount far too much the EU anti-trade stand and penchant for throwing up pseudo-scientific barriers.

Mike, in 2001, had there been a BSE case in the USA? I don't recall whether or not your claim about NCBA having a plan is factual, but why not do that if there hadn't been a case here?

mrj

mrj
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
OK, so you wouldn't serve it to your family. It seems very hypocritical of you to support a policy that makes others unknowingly do what you would not knowingly do.
 

Mike

Well-known member
Mike, in 2001, had there been a BSE case in the USA? I don't recall whether or not your claim about NCBA having a plan is factual, but why not do that if there hadn't been a case here?

There had not been a publicly reported case, but there are more than a few USDA staff vets that said "off the record" after retirement that the U.S. had had some but had not been made official because of the lack of quality testing.

Think about the ramifications if we had allowed a "BSE FREE" label on beef to Japan and the news later confirmed we had BSE in our herd.

The NCBA and AMI plan is absolutely factual. The letter is posted on the AMI website.......................Here:

http://www.meatami.com/Template.cfm?Section=BSE2&CONTENTID=3283&TEMPLATE=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm
 
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