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Would'nt it be Nice

CONTROL THE IMPORTS ???

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HAY MAKER

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To be able to control imports as the markets peak and valley.............good luck
 

TimH

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HAY MAKER-
"....To be able to control imports as the markets peak and valley..."

I'm not sure that I see what you're getting at here Haymaker. Are you suggesting that by "control imports", you mean increase them during peaks and decrease them during valleys??
Please explain further. :)
 

Mike

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Aren't "Import Tariffs" just a way to "Orderly" control imports?

If so, they have been around for many, many years and practiced by many, many countries.
 

Sandhusker

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Another R-CALFer promoting "Orderly "marketing.

Looks like Haymaker and Sundance are on the same page. What about OT and Sandhusker? :???:

Another? I've never heard the term "orderly marketing" except from you, BMR. I have no idea what the heck you're talking about. Just another of your wild swings to try to bash R-CALF?
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Another R-CALFer promoting "Orderly "marketing.

Looks like Haymaker and Sundance are on the same page. What about OT and Sandhusker? :???:

Another? I've never heard the term "orderly marketing" except from you, BMR. I have no idea what the heck you're talking about. Just another of your wild swings to try to bash R-CALF?


Sandhusker if you control who can buy cattle and to Whom producers can sell cattle to the next step is to control the amount of cattle produced.
ie. Quotas for production. If you want to guarantee a profit you have to control production.
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
Aren't "Import Tariffs" just a way to "Orderly" control imports?

If so, they have been around for many, many years and practiced by many, many countries.

Import Tariffs have been around since the days of George Washington- and still exist on many Agriculture and commodity type items...Its just since the rise of the neo-con One World Order folks that they think its better to sell out the little business's of our own country in favor of the Big Business of the multinational Corporations..... :(
 

Sandhusker

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Another R-CALFer promoting "Orderly "marketing.

Looks like Haymaker and Sundance are on the same page. What about OT and Sandhusker? :???:

Another? I've never heard the term "orderly marketing" except from you, BMR. I have no idea what the heck you're talking about. Just another of your wild swings to try to bash R-CALF?


Sandhusker if you control who can buy cattle and to Whom producers can sell cattle to the next step is to control the amount of cattle produced.
ie. Quotas for production. If you want to guarantee a profit you have to control production.

What does any of this have to do with R-CALF?
 

mwj

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Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
Aren't "Import Tariffs" just a way to "Orderly" control imports?

If so, they have been around for many, many years and practiced by many, many countries.

Import Tariffs have been around since the days of George Washington- and still exist on many Agriculture and commodity type items...Its just since the rise of the neo-con One World Order folks that they think its better to sell out the little business's of our own country in favor of the Big Business of the multinational Corporations..... :(

Oldtimer the chart is for feeder cattle so you can buy a couple of pot loads and open a small feedlot! Then you can sell them to the new packers moving in to sell that Montana branded beef to the crooked butcher in town :shock: :lol: :p That should envolve all small business's!
 
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Anonymous

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"I trust the good sense of our country will see that its greatest prosperity depends on a due balance between agriculture, manufactures and commerce, and not in this protuberant navigation which has kept us in hot water from the commencement of our government, and [has also engaged] us in war." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Leiper, 1809.

"An equilibrium between the occupations of agriculture, manufactures and commerce shall simplify our foreign concerns to the exchange only of that surplus which we cannot consume for those articles of reasonable comfort or convenience which we cannot produce." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to Pennsylvania Citizens, 1809. ME 16:356

"My idea is that we should encourage home manufactures to the extent of our own consumption of everything of which we raise the raw materials." --Thomas Jefferson to David Humphreys, 1809.

"The prohibiting duties we lay on all articles of foreign manufacture which prudence requires us to establish at home, with the patriotic determination of every good citizen to use no foreign article which can be made within ourselves without regard to difference of price, secures us against a relapse into foreign dependency." --Thomas Jefferson to Jean Baptiste Say, 1815.
 

TimH

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Oldtimer said:
"I trust the good sense of our country will see that its greatest prosperity depends on a due balance between agriculture, manufactures and commerce, and not in this protuberant navigation which has kept us in hot water from the commencement of our government, and [has also engaged] us in war." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Leiper, 1809.

"An equilibrium between the occupations of agriculture, manufactures and commerce shall simplify our foreign concerns to the exchange only of that surplus which we cannot consume for those articles of reasonable comfort or convenience which we cannot produce." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to Pennsylvania Citizens, 1809. ME 16:356

"My idea is that we should encourage home manufactures to the extent of our own consumption of everything of which we raise the raw materials." --Thomas Jefferson to David Humphreys, 1809.

"The prohibiting duties we lay on all articles of foreign manufacture which prudence requires us to establish at home, with the patriotic determination of every good citizen to use no foreign article which can be made within ourselves without regard to difference of price, secures us against a relapse into foreign dependency." --Thomas Jefferson to Jean Baptiste Say, 1815.

Oldtimer, Thomas Jefferson was indeed, a very wise man. I'm a fan of his and many other great men of his time........
Having said that(I hate that over-used phrase).........here's a newsflash for you.......THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE JEFFERSON'S TIME!!!!!
How much do you think you would be paying for energy, for example, if you couldn't import it???? How about steel??? Lumber???? Electronics??
How much do you think that computer you are sitting in front of at this very moment, would cost if the law dictated that it MUST be produced in the USA,with union labor, thereby eliminating any competition???
Jefferson's advice was sound for the fledgeling economy of a young country. I'm not sure that it applies as much to a mature(ing) economy, in 2006.
If Jefferson were around today, I would suspect that his views on trade would be a little different. :)
 

HAY MAKER

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TimH said:
HAY MAKER-
"....To be able to control imports as the markets peak and valley..."

I'm not sure that I see what you're getting at here Haymaker. Are you suggesting that by "control imports", you mean increase them during peaks and decrease them during valleys??
Please explain further. :)

I think you do see what Im getting at,why would you import a product when you have a surplus ?..............good luck
 

mwj

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HAY MAKER said:
TimH said:
HAY MAKER-
"....To be able to control imports as the markets peak and valley..."

I'm not sure that I see what you're getting at here Haymaker. Are you suggesting that by "control imports", you mean increase them during peaks and decrease them during valleys??
Please explain further. :)

I think you do see what Im getting at,why would you import a product

when you have a surplus ?..............good luck

Do you think that there are cattle being put down and landfilled :shock: or do you just want the price adjusted up to your likeing?
 

Manitoba_Rancher

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mwj said:
HAY MAKER said:
TimH said:
HAY MAKER-


I'm not sure that I see what you're getting at here Haymaker. Are you suggesting that by "control imports", you mean increase them during peaks and decrease them during valleys??
Please explain further. :)

I think you do see what Im getting at,why would you import a product

when you have a surplus ?..............good luck

Do you think that there are cattle being put down and landfilled :shock: or do you just want the price adjusted up to your likeing?


mwj: Ole Haymaker and the rcalfer boys seem to think if they could keep all imports of cattle and beef out of the US that they could be rich lil wieners. :roll: :shock: :lol:
 

Mike

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Manitoba_Rancher said:
mwj said:
HAY MAKER said:
I think you do see what Im getting at,why would you import a product

when you have a surplus ?..............good luck

Do you think that there are cattle being put down and landfilled :shock: or do you just want the price adjusted up to your likeing?


mwj: Ole Haymaker and the rcalfer boys seem to think if they could keep all imports of cattle and beef out of the US that they could be rich lil wieners. :roll: :shock: :lol:

Looks like Janet Riley agrees with them too:

Riley says the embargo on Canadian beef and litigation to maintain the border closure are behind the trend toward higher prices. "It's time for these producers to stop focusing on their growing bank accounts and start focusing on the mothers and children that are struggling to afford beef."
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Haymaker if your going to use imports to level out the peaks and valleys of the cattle cycle you are going to take away the chance of profit from ranchers that manage for that very thing.

What you will end up with is chronic low cattle prices.
Next you will be promoting Quotas for production in the USA. Sounds kinda like a Democrat thought this idea up.

You weren't into the Xmas cheer with Elmo were you? :roll:
 

Econ101

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Haymaker if your going to use imports to level out the peaks and valleys of the cattle cycle you are going to take away the chance of profit from ranchers that manage for that very thing.

What you will end up with is chronic low cattle prices.
Next you will be promoting Quotas for production in the USA. Sounds kinda like a Democrat thought this idea up.

You weren't into the Xmas cheer with Elmo were you? :roll:

BMR, Canada does just that with their poultry industry. It serves the producers well.
 
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