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[Anonymous]

One of the Tea Party type folks sides with Obama!! He's apparently one that thinks a little before he shoots from the hip... :wink:

Anti-tax leader sides with Obama on raising debt ceiling beyond 2012
By the CNN Wire Staff
July 22, 2011 7:26 p.m. EDT

(CNN) -- The head of a conservative group that has backed a high-profile pledge to oppose any tax increase told CNN on Friday that he would support effectively lifting the debt ceiling through the 2012 presidential election.

Grover Norquist, the president of Americans for Tax Reform, spoke shortly after House Speaker John Boehner abruptly ended debt talks with the White House, in part due to his claim that President Barack Obama was insisting that "taxes have to be raised."

More than 230 House members and 40 senators, almost all of them Republicans, have signed a "no new taxes" pledge that has been circulated by Norquist's group. But unlike some fiscal conservatives, Norquist advised against taking an all-or-nothing approach in which the nation defaults on its debt unless major cuts (and no revenue hikes) are instituted.

"I assume it's a disaster," Norquist said of defaulting on the nation's debt, which would happen unless Congress takes action by August 2. "There's no reason to assume otherwise. It is gambling with the economics of the country."

Rather, Norquist said he supports allowing the debt ceiling to rise through 2013 -- thus giving voters the choice as to whether they support candidates who favor a strict cut approach to the deficit issue or one that involves both cuts and tax hikes.

This approach is in line with what Obama told reporters he would consider Friday evening, saying he would not favor any debt ceiling increase that did not extend at least that long.

 

[hopalong]

One of the Tea Party type folks sides with Obama!! He's apparently one that thinks a little before he shoots from the hip... :wink:

Anti-tax leader sides with Obama on raising debt ceiling beyond 2012
By the CNN Wire Staff
July 22, 2011 7:26 p.m. EDT

(CNN) -- The head of a conservative group that has backed a high-profile pledge to oppose any tax increase told CNN on Friday that he would support effectively lifting the debt ceiling through the 2012 presidential election.

Grover Norquist, the president of Americans for Tax Reform, spoke shortly after House Speaker John Boehner abruptly ended debt talks with the White House, in part due to his claim that President Barack Obama was insisting that "taxes have to be raised."

More than 230 House members and 40 senators, almost all of them Republicans, have signed a "no new taxes" pledge that has been circulated by Norquist's group. But unlike some fiscal conservatives, Norquist advised against taking an all-or-nothing approach in which the nation defaults on its debt unless major cuts (and no revenue hikes) are instituted.

"I assume it's a disaster," Norquist said of defaulting on the nation's debt, which would happen unless Congress takes action by August 2. "There's no reason to assume otherwise. It is gambling with the economics of the country."

Rather, Norquist said he supports allowing the debt ceiling to rise through 2013 -- thus giving voters the choice as to whether they support candidates who favor a strict cut approach to the deficit issue or one that involves both cuts and tax hikes.

This approach is in line with what Obama told reporters he would consider Friday evening, saying he would not favor any debt ceiling increase that did not extend at least that long.

You mean this statyemThe Taxpayer Protection Pledge has since been signed by the vast majority of Republicans running for seats on Capitol Hill — including more than 250 current members of the House and Senate. And reportedly, some lawmakers have begged Norquist to relieve them from their pledge so they can strike a deal with the president and end the country's slide towards default.

Norquist, however, told weekends on All Things Considered host Guy Raz that any raise in net taxes is unacceptable. "Until you say 'no' to tax increases, you don't even begin a conversation about spending restraint or reforming government," Norquist said. "When you raise taxes, the politicians spend the money. You cannot reduce the size of government while increasing taxes."


You mean this statement oldliar???

The Taxpayer Protection Pledge has since been signed by the vast majority of Republicans running for seats on Capitol Hill — including more than 250 current members of the House and Senate.

Norquist, however, told weekends on All Things Considered host Guy Raz that any raise in net taxes is unacceptable. "Until you say 'no' to tax increases, you don't even begin a conversation about spending restraint or reforming government," Norquist said. "When you raise taxes, the politicians spend the money. You cannot reduce the size of government while increasing taxes."


Golly seems as you forgot to tell the whole story AGAIN :wink: :wink: :wink:

 

[hypocritexposer]

Republican Party
The Looming GOP Split
By Jay Newton-Small Thursday, July 21, 2011

The next 96 hours could determine the future of the Republican Party. If the Tea Party is coronating its own third-party candidate next summer, the moment of schism will likely be traced back to this week of debate on raising the debt ceiling.

The fissures are already evident. House Speaker John Boehner and his No.2, majority leader Eric Cantor, split on a grand bargain for deficit reduction. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's plan of last resort was met with outright hostility by the House Republican conference. And the House Republicans' preferred plan — Cut, Cap and Balance – is less than popular with the Republican pundit class who openly acknowledge it's a PR stunt that has zero chance of becoming law.

To hear Democrats tell it, House Republicans are "isolationist," "extreme" and "spend more time listening to each other than their leaders." Of course, it behooves Democrats to push the idea of a Republican Party in disarray. But Republicans have given them plenty of fodder.

As two roads diverge before the GOP on the debt ceiling, it's increasingly hard to see a path that leads to party unity. Go right and the GOP risks default and, as McConnell has warned, being blamed by the center for an economic disaster. Take the center path – there is no left turn here – and Republicans risk an angry Tea Party base and potential primary threats. From the advent of the Tea Party to purity tests and the 2010 primary challenges, the split has been a long time coming.


The center road toward compromise looks to be the likely path. Boehner said on Thursday that he has been preparing his flock for such an eventuality. "Frankly, I think it would be irresponsible, on behalf of the Congress and the President, not to be looking at backup strategies for how to solve this problem," Boehner told reporters.

As Karl Rove noted, the debate is now between a package that is mostly spending cuts versus 100% spending cuts and polls have consistently shown Obama has public opinion on his side in that debate. Five recent polls have shown overwhelming support for a "balanced approach" that includes a mix of tax increases and spending cuts. As David Brooks wrote two weeks ago, Republicans would be crazy to walk away from what will likely be the best offer for deficit reduction on their terms in a generation. But Republicans seem intent on not only walking away from a deal, but handing Democrats electoral gifts as they go.

Even if a grand bargain doesn't happen now, Obama can claim he put everything on the table and Republicans walked away. And on a congressional level, Democrats were delighted with the GOP's vote on Cut, Cap and Balance, which cuts half a trillion dollars more than Paul Ryan's budget. "After polling and town hall meetings where voters rejected this plan to end Medicare, House Republicans doubled down on it — cutting, capping and ending it again," says Jesse Ferguson, a spokesman for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, which works to elect Democrats to Congress. "That's just wrong and an example of House Republican's misguided priorities: ending Medicare instead of creating jobs."


Even Grover Norquist on Thursday told the Washington Post he didn't consider allowing George W. Bush's tax cuts to lapse a tax increase. When the anti-tax guy is encouraging a compromise that would allow the Bush tax cuts to expire, you know the GOP's reached the precipice.

Certainly, the freshmen have compromised before. They demanded $100 billion in cuts from the 2011 budget. They got $38.5 billion. And after a long, drawn out battle, most of the freshmen voted for that deal. And perhaps they are, again, holding out for the best deal possible. But at some point – whether it's next week or in six months – the GOP will face a hard decision on revenue increases. And when that road splits, the Republican party might just do the same.



Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2011/07/21/the-coming-gop-split/#ixzz1SyHXs3yY

Federal revenues have being increasing as a % of GDP for years, the problem is that the spending growth is growing faster.

There are also quite a few new taxes that will come into affect in the next 10 years.


2000 20.35
2001 19.36
2002 17.41
2003 16.00
2004 15.84
2005 17.04
2006 17.96
2007 18.06
2008 18.44
2009 19.82
2010 20.37




2000 32.56
2001 33.38
2002 34.75
2003 35.28
2004 34.82
2005 34.79
2006 35.06
2007 34.98
2008 36.94
2009 41.76
2010 39.97


http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_20th_century_chart.html

 

[Anonymous]

One of the Tea Party type folks sides with Obama!! He's apparently one that thinks a little before he shoots from the hip... :wink:

Anti-tax leader sides with Obama on raising debt ceiling beyond 2012
By the CNN Wire Staff
July 22, 2011 7:26 p.m. EDT

(CNN) -- The head of a conservative group that has backed a high-profile pledge to oppose any tax increase told CNN on Friday that he would support effectively lifting the debt ceiling through the 2012 presidential election.

Grover Norquist, the president of Americans for Tax Reform, spoke shortly after House Speaker John Boehner abruptly ended debt talks with the White House, in part due to his claim that President Barack Obama was insisting that "taxes have to be raised."

More than 230 House members and 40 senators, almost all of them Republicans, have signed a "no new taxes" pledge that has been circulated by Norquist's group. But unlike some fiscal conservatives, Norquist advised against taking an all-or-nothing approach in which the nation defaults on its debt unless major cuts (and no revenue hikes) are instituted.

"I assume it's a disaster," Norquist said of defaulting on the nation's debt, which would happen unless Congress takes action by August 2. "There's no reason to assume otherwise. It is gambling with the economics of the country."

Rather, Norquist said he supports allowing the debt ceiling to rise through 2013 -- thus giving voters the choice as to whether they support candidates who favor a strict cut approach to the deficit issue or one that involves both cuts and tax hikes.

This approach is in line with what Obama told reporters he would consider Friday evening, saying he would not favor any debt ceiling increase that did not extend at least that long.

You mean this statyemThe Taxpayer Protection Pledge has since been signed by the vast majority of Republicans running for seats on Capitol Hill — including more than 250 current members of the House and Senate. And reportedly, some lawmakers have begged Norquist to relieve them from their pledge so they can strike a deal with the president and end the country's slide towards default.

Norquist, however, told weekends on All Things Considered host Guy Raz that any raise in net taxes is unacceptable. "Until you say 'no' to tax increases, you don't even begin a conversation about spending restraint or reforming government," Norquist said. "When you raise taxes, the politicians spend the money. You cannot reduce the size of government while increasing taxes."


You mean this statement oldliar???

The Taxpayer Protection Pledge has since been signed by the vast majority of Republicans running for seats on Capitol Hill — including more than 250 current members of the House and Senate.

Norquist, however, told weekends on All Things Considered host Guy Raz that any raise in net taxes is unacceptable. "Until you say 'no' to tax increases, you don't even begin a conversation about spending restraint or reforming government," Norquist said. "When you raise taxes, the politicians spend the money. You cannot reduce the size of government while increasing taxes."


Golly seems as you forgot to tell the whole story AGAIN :wink: :wink: :wink:

So what you are saying is that I am wrong about Norquist being a guy that can think for himself-- and instead is like so many of the TeaParty follower folks- someone that speaks out of both sides of his mouth with whatever benefits him at the moment... :???:

 

[hopalong]

Oldtimer you hiding in response to my SLANDER of you????
You have been known to make false statements yet want to accuse me o SLANDER!!!
You are the one who threatened me with having your 62" son squeeze my head like a pimple on another site (not enough BALLS to try it yourself) You are a pathetic old man , ( and I am older) but i never once used my to sons
in a threat (by the way they are bigger and badder than yours is)

 

[Steve]

One of the Tea Party type folks sides with Obama!! He's apparently one that thinks a little before he shoots from the hip... :wink:

You mean this statyemThe Taxpayer Protection Pledge has since been signed by the vast majority of Republicans running for seats on Capitol Hill — including more than 250 current members of the House and Senate. And reportedly, some lawmakers have begged Norquist to relieve them from their pledge so they can strike a deal with the president and end the country's slide towards default.

Norquist, however, told weekends on All Things Considered host Guy Raz that any raise in net taxes is unacceptable. "Until you say 'no' to tax increases, you don't even begin a conversation about spending restraint or reforming government," Norquist said. "When you raise taxes, the politicians spend the money. You cannot reduce the size of government while increasing taxes."


You mean this statement oldliar???

The Taxpayer Protection Pledge has since been signed by the vast majority of Republicans running for seats on Capitol Hill — including more than 250 current members of the House and Senate.

Norquist, however, told weekends on All Things Considered host Guy Raz that any raise in net taxes is unacceptable. "Until you say 'no' to tax increases, you don't even begin a conversation about spending restraint or reforming government," Norquist said. "When you raise taxes, the politicians spend the money. You cannot reduce the size of government while increasing taxes."


Golly seems as you forgot to tell the whole story AGAIN :wink: :wink: :wink:

So what you are saying is that I am wrong about Norquist being a guy that can think for himself-- and instead is like so many of the TeaParty follower folks- someone that speaks out of both sides of his mouth with whatever benefits him at the moment... :???:

if you have listened to what the guy has said, and is saying,.. he really does put the fiscally conservative politicians in a tough position..

he claims that if the revenue increase are offset by the taxes not increasing he is for it.. a cake and eat it to type of guy...

picking and choosing his words is easy as he talks alot,.. but his final conclusion is always the same.. no tax increase...

so how do you "compromise" on revenue increases with out tax increases that the democrats would accept?

it ain't going to happen.. so now the guy says.. hey, don't have the fight.. just borrow more.. ???

sorry but he just lost credibility with me on that or any other issue...

 

[Anonymous]

The elected officials should never signed a pledge with Grover. They were obligated to the constituents that voted them in and not to Grover but after signing his pledge they are obligated to him.