Wow Wow Wow

[Tam]

Did any of you just see Obama's press conference today. Wow talk about a picture of a stressed out, in over your head person. :shock: If he once used Cocaine to deal with stress, I can imagine he is back in the Oval Office with the door locked :wink: He started with Blaming the Republicans for the break down in talks with the White House. The middle of his little tantem was filled with how HE and the Dems were doing everything they can to come up with a compromise and the Republicans refuse to work with them. Then he ended with a final rant blaming everything on the Republicans saying Boehner couldn't control his caucus and that is why he walked.

John Boehner came on after and said he backed away from dealing with Obama because they were close to an agreement when Obama changed the deal by adding 400 billion additional Tax hikes which He and the House Republicans had already told him they were not going to go for. Obama changed the deal and just expected the Republican would roll over and play dead because of the looming debt ceiling crisis.

When Boehner backed away Obama ran to the press and claimed he had done everything he could and he had not changed the deal.

Now if the negotiations were on C Span we could all tell who was saying what but since they are not we have to take the men for what they say. Since Fact Check.com has proved Obama lies about what Republicans say who do you think is telling the truth now? Boehner or Obama

 

[Larrry]

Has obama ever told the truth, can't think of any times :shock:

 

[Steve]

by the look of it, Obama wants the talks to fail.. and the debt ceiling to not be lifted..

given the two options now on the table, a deal with less cuts and more taxes.. who is the winner? Obama, and loser? Republicans..

or a deal doesn't happen.. I think Obama feels he will come out of it looking like Clinton.. and that the republicans will be blamed.

and by what the press is saying.,.. he may be right..

but hopefully the republicans can get a bit smarter and pull off a way to save our nation.. cause by the look of it all Obama cares about is getting re-elected..

 

[Steve]

Obama emerged in the briefing room early in the evening and said after waiting all day, Boehner finally returned his call.

"You know, I'm less concerned about me having to wait for my phone call returned than I am the message that I received when I actually got the phone call," Obama said.

wow the president waited all day to have a call returned..

President Obama spent most of his time at the University of Maryland on Friday talking about the deficit, promising that the country won't default on its debt.

He didn't shed any light on the details of the deficit talks with Republicans, but he did ladle sarcasm over the situation, telling the students that he's felt "cooped up" having to sit through the negotiations constantly.

"There's nothing I enjoy more than sitting hour after hour, day after day, debating the fine points of the federal budget with members of Congress," Obama said.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0711/his_favorite_things_9def730e-981d-439b-a058-00dc615cf098.html

or he is a lier..

how can you go to an event in Maryland, spend all day slamming republicans, and then claim you waited for them to return a call.. ???

 

[Tam]

he did ladle sarcasm over the situation, telling the students that he's felt "cooped up" having to sit through the negotiations constantly.

"There's nothing I enjoy more than sitting hour after hour, day after day, debating the fine points of the federal budget with members of Congress," Obama said.

SARCASM NOT OBAMA :shock: :???:

The country is imploding, he is scareing the hell out of the elderly over their social security that they will not be getting if a deal is not reached and he dares to make a speech saying he feels cooped up when he has to talk over the budget. POOR BABY. :cry2: He bregged for the job and when he got it he found out it wasn't all golf, basketball, vacation, fund raising from adoring fans HE FEELS COOPED UP

His statement should be put on every ad run during the 2012 election.

I doubt anyone would want to be accused of cooping the loser up for another 4 years. :wink: :roll:

On that ad should also be the vote results for HIS budget, wasn't it 0-97 Just maybe he should have canceled one of his golf game and taken a bit more time working on a really budget instead of letting his daughters do his work. :wink:

 

[Mike]

I think we know why Buckwheat is OT's idol by all the lying.................

Big difference tho'. Buckwheat's lies actually mean something.

 

[Tam]

I was wonder if any of you heard that Obama told the Liberals that they/he needed to compromise on some of the fiscal issue now so they can get the US fiscal house in order, SO they can get back to investing money in their socials plans. :shock:

Does this guy not realize that if the "INVESTING"/SPENDING doesn't stop the US is going down the tubes with a down graded in it's rating?

They have been warned by the ratings people that it is the US DEBT/SPENDING that needs to be dealt with and if it is not that is what is going to cause the down grade. You know just how bad it is when CHINA tells them they need to get their spending under control. :? :roll: :x

After hearing this you have to realize if the Republicans don't stand strong and Obama gets his tax hikes the spending cuts will be SHORT LIVED. He will take any increase in revenue and spend it without even thinking about paying down the debt. In other words, he will get back to his socialist agenda if he is re-elected. FOUR MORE YEARS OF OUT OF CONTROL "INVESTING"/SPENDING. Just how much can the US take before they get rid of this lieing, fear mongering, incompetent, wanna be sports superstar that doesn't like being coped up to do important time sensitive issues.. :roll: :x

 

[Steve]

something often gets lost in the translation.. especially with DC and the media..

Conservative.. investing = means making money.

Liberal,.. investing = means spending money..


Conservative. revenue = means taking in money

Liberal revenue = more taxes who cares if it actually takes in less money..

With conservative accounting choices, revenues tend to be recognized later and expenses tend to be recognized sooner. This decreases your current revenues and increases your current expenses. This has the effect of lowering your current reported earnings.

With liberal accounting choices, revenues tend to be recognized sooner and expenses tend to be recognized later. This increases your current revenues and decreases your current expenses. This has the effect of increasing your current reported earnings.

Over the long-term, however, these differences tend to reverse. There is no free ride. If you use liberal accounting polices, this will boost your current earnings at the expense of future earnings. Conservative accounting policies provide higher earnings in the future, but you have to settle for lower earnings now.

so what should we settle for, lower earnings now,.. or in the future?

I would prefer a brighter future..

 

[Tam]

Most people work hard in their life so their children don't have to struggle to enjoy a better life. But that is not the case with the Liberal mind set they would rather live a better life and make their children pay for it later. :roll:

 

[hopalong]

Most people work hard in their life so their children don't have to struggle to enjoy a better life. But that is not the case with the Liberal mind set they would rather live a better life and make their children pay for it later. :roll:

Or in one of Montana's favorite liberals let their children draw welfare (at least so I am told by people that know)

EH????? :wink: :wink:

 

[Tam]

Another Obama comment that ticks me off is when the whining spoiled brat said Boehner left him at the alter when he called off the talks.

Who left who at the alter when Obama stormed out of the talks last week? :?

He claims he is willing to bend over backwards to make a deal but yet he also said he will veto any deal that isn't what he wants. :roll:

The Republicans are going to be damaged the most with this issue because the liberal bias media have to much invested in Obama to ever tell BOTH sides of the story and allow the voters to make up their own minds.

 

[hopalong]

Another Obama comment that ticks me off is when the whining spoiled brat said Boehner left him at the alter when he called off the talks.

Who left who at the alter when Obama stormed out of the talks last week? :?

He claims he is willing to bend over backwards to make a deal but yet he also said he will veto any deal that isn't what he wants. :roll:

The Republicans are going to be damaged the most with this issue because the liberal bias media have to much invested in Obama to ever tell BOTH sides of the story and allow the voters to make up their own minds.

His bending over is what oldtimer likes the best, and of course kolo=jingo=lulu-allie is there pulling down the zipper for oldtimers approval :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

 

[Anonymous]

Most people work hard in their life so their children don't have to struggle to enjoy a better life. But that is not the case with the Liberal mind set they would rather live a better life and make their children pay for it later. :roll:

Or in one of Montana's favorite liberals let their children draw welfare (at least so I am told by people that know)

EH????? :wink: :wink:

Good thing I know you're talking about some liberal and not me-- because if you were trying to insinuate that about me that would be a flat out lie and slander.....
But thats all you seem to post on here for- to attack, lie about, and slander me....

But I've dealt with sick old men like you for years - and I'm used to it..

 

[hopalong]

Most people work hard in their life so their children don't have to struggle to enjoy a better life. But that is not the case with the Liberal mind set they would rather live a better life and make their children pay for it later. :roll:

Or in one of Montana's favorite liberals let their children draw welfare (at least so I am told by people that know)

EH????? :wink: :wink:

Good thing I know you're talking about some liberal and not me-- because if you were trying to insinuate that about me that would be a flat out lie and slander.....
But thats all you seem to post on here for- to attack, lie about, and slander me....

But I've dealt with sick old men like you for years - and I'm used to it..

Hit too close to home oldtimer??????
If I were talking about you where is the slander???? No worse than the FLAT out lies that you tell if I were speaking about you, but since I mentioned NO names you are way toooooooo defensive, and of course that leads to wonder :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:


But then as the legal expert on here you know that in order for it to be SLANDER it has to not be true!!!!!!! :wink: :wink: :wink:

 

[hopalong]

Just for oldtimer

defamation; calumny: rumors full of slander.
2.
a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: a slander against his good name.
3.
Law . defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing, pictures, etc.To recover in a libel or slander suit, the plaintiff must show evidence of four elements: that the defendant conveyed a defamatory message; that the material was published, meaning that it was conveyed to someone other than the plaintiff; that the plaintiff could be identified as the person referred to in the defamatory material; and that the plaintiff suffered some injury to his or her reputation as a result of the communication.In general, there are four defenses to libel or slander: truth, consent, accident, and privilege.

The fact that the allegedly defamatory communication is essentially true is usually an absolute defense; the defendant need not verify every detail of the communicationas long as its substance can be established. If the plaintiff consented to publication of the defamatory material, recovery is barred. Accidental publication of a defamatory statement does not constitute publication. Privilege confers Immunity on a small number of defendants who are directly involved in the furtherance of the public's business—for example, attorneys, judges, jurors, and witnesses whose statements are protected on public policy grounds.

 

[hypocritexposer]

Most people work hard in their life so their children don't have to struggle to enjoy a better life. But that is not the case with the Liberal mind set they would rather live a better life and make their children pay for it later. :roll:

Or in one of Montana's favorite liberals let their children draw welfare (at least so I am told by people that know)

EH????? :wink: :wink:

Good thing I know you're talking about some liberal and not me-- because if you were trying to insinuate that about me that would be a flat out lie and slander.....
But thats all you seem to post on here for- to attack, lie about, and slander me....

But I've dealt with sick old men like you for years - and I'm used to it..

What goes around, comes around, eh, OT?

 

[Larrry]

Seems I remember old ot throwing out some harrassment lies trying to silence his critics.

And lies of people on other boards talking about rancher folks

and on and on

 

[Anonymous]

Republican Party
The Looming GOP Split
By Jay Newton-Small Thursday, July 21, 2011

The next 96 hours could determine the future of the Republican Party. If the Tea Party is coronating its own third-party candidate next summer, the moment of schism will likely be traced back to this week of debate on raising the debt ceiling.

The fissures are already evident. House Speaker John Boehner and his No.2, majority leader Eric Cantor, split on a grand bargain for deficit reduction. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's plan of last resort was met with outright hostility by the House Republican conference. And the House Republicans' preferred plan — Cut, Cap and Balance – is less than popular with the Republican pundit class who openly acknowledge it's a PR stunt that has zero chance of becoming law.

To hear Democrats tell it, House Republicans are "isolationist," "extreme" and "spend more time listening to each other than their leaders." Of course, it behooves Democrats to push the idea of a Republican Party in disarray. But Republicans have given them plenty of fodder.

As two roads diverge before the GOP on the debt ceiling, it's increasingly hard to see a path that leads to party unity. Go right and the GOP risks default and, as McConnell has warned, being blamed by the center for an economic disaster. Take the center path – there is no left turn here – and Republicans risk an angry Tea Party base and potential primary threats. From the advent of the Tea Party to purity tests and the 2010 primary challenges, the split has been a long time coming.


The center road toward compromise looks to be the likely path. Boehner said on Thursday that he has been preparing his flock for such an eventuality. "Frankly, I think it would be irresponsible, on behalf of the Congress and the President, not to be looking at backup strategies for how to solve this problem," Boehner told reporters.

As Karl Rove noted, the debate is now between a package that is mostly spending cuts versus 100% spending cuts and polls have consistently shown Obama has public opinion on his side in that debate. Five recent polls have shown overwhelming support for a "balanced approach" that includes a mix of tax increases and spending cuts. As David Brooks wrote two weeks ago, Republicans would be crazy to walk away from what will likely be the best offer for deficit reduction on their terms in a generation. But Republicans seem intent on not only walking away from a deal, but handing Democrats electoral gifts as they go.

Even if a grand bargain doesn't happen now, Obama can claim he put everything on the table and Republicans walked away. And on a congressional level, Democrats were delighted with the GOP's vote on Cut, Cap and Balance, which cuts half a trillion dollars more than Paul Ryan's budget. "After polling and town hall meetings where voters rejected this plan to end Medicare, House Republicans doubled down on it — cutting, capping and ending it again," says Jesse Ferguson, a spokesman for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, which works to elect Democrats to Congress. "That's just wrong and an example of House Republican's misguided priorities: ending Medicare instead of creating jobs."


Even Grover Norquist on Thursday told the Washington Post he didn't consider allowing George W. Bush's tax cuts to lapse a tax increase. When the anti-tax guy is encouraging a compromise that would allow the Bush tax cuts to expire, you know the GOP's reached the precipice.

Certainly, the freshmen have compromised before. They demanded $100 billion in cuts from the 2011 budget. They got $38.5 billion. And after a long, drawn out battle, most of the freshmen voted for that deal. And perhaps they are, again, holding out for the best deal possible. But at some point – whether it's next week or in six months – the GOP will face a hard decision on revenue increases. And when that road splits, the Republican party might just do the same.



Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2011/07/21/the-coming-gop-split/#ixzz1SyHXs3yY

 

[Steve]

Certainly, the freshmen have compromised before. They demanded $100 billion in cuts from the 2011 budget. They got $38.5 billion. And after a long, drawn out battle, most of the freshmen voted for that deal. And perhaps they are, again, holding out for the best deal possible.

CBO says Obama-Boehner budget deal cuts spending by $.35 Billion . . . NOT $38.5 Billion

NATIONAL JOURNAL: A Congressional Budget Office analysis of the fiscal 2011 spending deal that Congress will vote on Thursday concludes that it would cut spending this year by less than one-tenth of what both Republicans or Democrats have claimed.

A comparison prepared by the CBO shows that the omnibus spending bill, advertised as containing some $38.5 billion in cuts, will only reduce federal outlays by $352 million below 2010 spending rates. The nonpartisan budget agency also projects that total outlays are actually some $3.3 billion more than in 2010, if emergency spending is included in the total.

lie to me once, shame on you,... do they really think that the "freshman" republicans can be fooled again with gimmicks?

maybe the reason they are holding out for a better deal is that they now see just how badly they were lied to in the first BIG deal..

 

[Steve]

Obama can claim he put everything on the table and Republicans walked away. And on a congressional level, Democrats were delighted

so the hell with the country... by almost every media report this is what it comes down to..

Obama can claim he tried.. and the democrats are delighted..


but then that is what Obama wants them to report... a claim,... but not their delight that the deal failed.. and their political game caused this countries financial troubles..

I hope that message finally gets through,.. because it is clear it is just a political game to them..