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Red Robin

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Here's a less desirable statement by the Pope.

"I hope that in several occasions during the visit ... my deep respect for great religions, in particular for Muslims — who worship the one God and with whom we are engaged in defending and promoting together social justice, moral values, peace and freedom for all men — has emerged clearly," Benedict said.

I do NOT serve the same God as the muslims. Any Catholic comments?
 

MsSage

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Your asking a catholic to speak against thier pope. As I was taught you dont do that. OK fine they may not agree with what he says......most dont, they are not to talk agaisnt him in public.
Most popes are trying to "build world peace" or in other words become saints.

How do you know all of us are not worshiping the same God? Just because "man" has warped Gods teachings does not mean there is another God.
I believe there is ONE God and he is over ALL.......
I dont put much belief in what man says ...preacher ~pope~minister untill I have seen them walk the walk. Not many pass the requirements for me to put my faith in them.
 

Red Robin

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MsSage said:
Most popes are trying to "build world peace" or in other words become saints.

How do you know all of us are not worshiping the same God?
I'm setting myself up for an argument I guess but you asked so I'll answer. I'm a Bible believing Christian. In the Bible God is presented in a very different light than he is in the quoran (sp). They aren't the same. I guess lastly, I am not a universalist or a deist.
 

MsSage

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I'm setting myself up for an argument I guess but you asked so I'll answer
Naww your stating your point of view.


In the Bible God is presented in a very different light than he is in the quoran (sp)
As I said MAN has added and changed what God meant. Even King James changed a few things he didnt believe in.
The quran I am sure has been edited to fit what those leaders believed.
Are they being mislead YES are they wrong in thier belief.....The way I know God is very almost diametricaly opposite to how they know him.

sorry I refuse to capitilize the name of thier Bible ...hate me if you will.
I had to look up universalist & deist..hmmmm
UUA talks a good talk about being accpeted and incorperating BUT they NEVER state the Bible is the core of thier belief...uugggggg I hope I do NOT come across as a member of that cult. Yes I will call it a cult,
deist...
Deism is defined in Webster's Encyclopedic Dictionary, 1941, as: "[From Latin Deus, God.Deity] The doctrine or creed of a Deist." And Deist is defined in the same dictionary as: "One who believes in the existence of a God or supreme being but denies revealed religion, basing his belief on the light of nature and reason."
Again basing belief on feelings and reason ......I believe in the Bible even with some of the flaws man put in it. I put Gods word and Him at the center of my beliefs. I know the WWJD has been over used BUT if you are having questions the best way I found is to ask myself that.....and God has told us in His word he will answer every and ALL prayers. Call me a kook but I believe if you ask a question regarding God He will give you an answer. You may not hear it or like the answer but He always answers prayers.
 

Martin Jr.

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Since many of the Islam ideas come from the Jewish religion, with a few things from Christianity thrown in,(they believe Jesus was a prophet, and believe in the virgin birth). It would seem they worship the same God, but with many different beliefs. Mohammad would not have read the Bible, and he couldn't read, and in the 7th century bibles were probably pretty scarce since they were hand writtten. So he heard the stories by word of mouth.
So if they don't believe the same way Christians do, can we say they don't believe in the same God? What about the many different beliefs of the many Christian religions? What about Mormans? They too believe Jesus wqs just a prophet, and also wrote their own book of beliefs.
 

John SD

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Good point, Martin. I think the point the pope is making is that both Islam and Christianity (like Judaism) both believe there is only one God.

Are Muslims so wrong to call God Allah? How about native Americans referring to the "Great Spirit"? Then what about certain Christian religions that refer to God as Jehovah? They reject the traditional Christian understanding of the divinity of Jesus Christ and the uniquely Christian view of a triune God? The bottom line is there is only one God, no matter how many different religions or perceptions of God there are.

I admit this is too deep thinking for me this early in the morning! Gotta have more coffee! :lol:
 

jigs

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to me it don't matter what a person calls God, but how they interpret his law.

my God sure don't tell me to kill everyone who believes different than me.

of course, if I were a muslim, I would hold ill will against the Catholics. those crusades were pretty rough. after all didn't the catholics spread thier word by force for hundreds of years?
 

kolanuraven

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There's my earlier point made again.....religion and war/killing seem to go hand in hand.

Instead of ' road rage' it's " religion rage"
 

Steve

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of course, if I were a muslim, I would hold ill will against the Catholics. those crusades were pretty rough. after all didn't the catholics spread thier word by force for hundreds of years?

the crusades were in response to Muslims trampling thier way through Europe towards france....and Christians kicking them out,...so in fact the Muslims have been spreading thier religen through force for at least 1656 years.....

starting in about 350 AD, and continueing through to 1945 ?. when the Catholic Church stopped accepting funds to carry it forward....
 

CattleArmy

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Isn't "God" in any religion a belief in a higher power that we can not see and have books of religion to follow? Or have some of you actually seen? :shock:
 

Frankk

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There are many gods, the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is the one I believe in. He is also the one who wrote the ten commandments the first saying, you shall have no other gods before me.
 

Steve

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If you were to ask your god "Is killing your fellow man the answer"?.What would his reply be?

with out getting into "exact verses" ...

translated "You shall not murder" in modern translations - because these translations mis-represents the real meaning of the Hebrew text. The Bible in Basic English translates the phrase, "Do not put anyone to death without cause." The Hebrew word used here is ratsach, which nearly always refers to intentional killing without cause (unless indicated otherwise by context). Hebrew law recognized accidental killing as not punishable. The Hebrew word for "kill" in this instance is not ratsach, but nakah, which can refer to either premeditated or unintentional killing, depending upon context.

The commandment "Thou shalt not kill" is really not as general as some would indicate. The commandment actually refers to premeditated, unjustified killing - murder. Although God ordered the extermination of entire cities, He did so in righteous judgment on a people whose corruption had led to extreme wickedness, including child sacrifice. Did God destroy the righteous along with the wicked? In an exchange with Abraham, God indicated that He would spare the wicked to save the righteous. He demonstrated this principle by saving righteous people from Sodom and Jericho prior to their destruction. The charge that God indiscriminately murdered people does not hold to to critical evaluation of the biblical texts..
 

jigs

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kolanuraven said:
nonothing.....in answer to your question......he'd just point at jigs as he seems to want to be the " hit man"!

I believe I stated earlier that my God does not condone the killing of others simply because they believe a different version of His word.

now that being said, yes, I would have no proble being the hit man. and when the Islamic extremist invade our country, you rest easy, as you sit there drinking your Yoohoo watching CNN, and dreaming about BillClinton, knowing I am the trigger man dropping ragheads right and left while screaming at the top of my lungs " one more for the good guys" as each one draws his last breath.

I will defend what is mine to the last drop of blood in my body, lucky for you liberals there are people like me!
 

nonothing

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jigs said:
kolanuraven said:
nonothing.....in answer to your question......he'd just point at jigs as he seems to want to be the " hit man"!

I believe I stated earlier that my God does not condone the killing of others simply because they believe a different version of His word.

now that being said, yes, I would have no proble being the hit man. and when the Islamic extremist invade our country, you rest easy, as you sit there drinking your Yoohoo watching CNN, and dreaming about BillClinton, knowing I am the trigger man dropping ragheads right and left while screaming at the top of my lungs " one more for the good guys" as each one draws his last breath.

I will defend what is mine to the last drop of blood in my body, lucky for you liberals there are people like me!

Yes lucky for us....
 

Cal

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nonothing said:
jigs said:
kolanuraven said:
nonothing.....in answer to your question......he'd just point at jigs as he seems to want to be the " hit man"!

I believe I stated earlier that my God does not condone the killing of others simply because they believe a different version of His word.

now that being said, yes, I would have no proble being the hit man. and when the Islamic extremist invade our country, you rest easy, as you sit there drinking your Yoohoo watching CNN, and dreaming about BillClinton, knowing I am the trigger man dropping ragheads right and left while screaming at the top of my lungs " one more for the good guys" as each one draws his last breath.

I will defend what is mine to the last drop of blood in my body, lucky for you liberals there are people like me!

Yes lucky for us....
Yes, otherwise you'd already be speaking Japanese or Russian...and life would be much different than it is today.
 
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