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YES or NO, is he a "Natural Born" Citizen

hypocritexposer

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In your opinion, yes or no, needs no interpretation, nothing.

With what you know of the definition of "Natural Born Citizen", does Obama qualify?

YES or NO
 

Mike

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Dunno. Really have no idea.

Haven't seen the evidence that he is. (Not that I would personally need to see them)

Only the questions that he ain't.

All it would take is a certified copy of a vault BC with a Dr.'s signature, and a hospital of birth. (Like the one McCain produced)

Hard to believe that no medical personnel have stepped forward to attest his birth in Hawaii. Hasn't been but 48 years. Surely they all haven't died?
 

hypocritexposer

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Mike, I'm talking Natural Born, you have doubts he is a citizen at all.

All it would take is a certified copy of a vault BC with a Dr.'s signature, and a hospital of birth. (Like the one McCain produced)

If he was born in Hawaii, would that make him a Natural Born?
 

Mike

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hypocritexposer said:
Mike, I'm talking Natural Born, you have doubts he is a citizen at all.

All it would take is a certified copy of a vault BC with a Dr.'s signature, and a hospital of birth. (Like the one McCain produced)

If he was born in Hawaii, would that make him a Natural Born?

Not by many's standards. If he was born in Hawaii, that would make him "Native-Born".

I believe there is a difference. But I won't be deciding that difference.
 

Tam

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Mike said:
Dunno. Really have no idea.

Haven't seen the evidence that he is. (Not that I would personally need to see them)

Only the questions that he ain't.

All it would take is a certified copy of a vault BC with a Dr.'s signature, and a hospital of birth. (Like the one McCain produced)

Hard to believe that no medical personnel have stepped forward to attest his birth in Hawaii. Hasn't been but 48 years. Surely they all haven't died?

Remember he had a Kenyan Father which should have made him a Dual citizen at best. Then his mother married and move him to Indoneia where he attended a "citizens only" school. Which makes him at best a naturalized citizen not a natural born. He also traveled to a foreign country that ban US citizens how did he get in there with a US Passport?
I think the birth certificate issue should be set aside and the lawyers should go after his college records. If he got foreign aid to attend college that makes him a foreigner which would explain how he got into a country that had a ban on Americans. That would also prove he should not be the President of the US. There must be a reason he has sealed his College records too.
 

hypocritexposer

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The whole point of Article II is that the President must have absolute and total Allegiance to the United States of America and no Foreign Ruler or Government, Church, or Political Entity.

The purpose behind the exclusion of Naturalized Citizens is that the President must never even have had such an Allegiance in the past (FYI, I have severe doubts about Chester A Arthur on this count. He may have been Canadian by birth and may have held Dual Citizenship with the UK.)

Define Natural Born Reader, use a court judgement if you need to?
 

hypocritexposer

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Please answer the question.

What is a naturalized citizen?

It turns out you guys are clueless about US citizenship, dual nationality, and what a naturalized citizen is and yet you think you can argue better than our legal experts as to what the interpretation of 'natural born citizen' is.

Very amusing but I need to get ready to go out for the evening.

Have a pleasant evening.

In your opinion Reader, is he a Natural Born Citizen, easy YES or NO?
 

Tam

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reader (the Second) said:
Tam - do you know what a naturalized citizen is?

I think not.

Since I am one Reader I guess I would know.
:roll:
Naturalization is the acquisition of citizenship or nationality by somebody who was not a citizen or national of that country when he or she was born.

Which means READER I'm a Naturalized citizen of Canada :roll:

Do you know how I lost my claim to US citizenship to the US?

The U.S. Code does, however, see some acts as creating the possibility of a loss of nationality. When you lose your U.S. nationality, you are no longer under the protection or jurisdiction of the United States. When the United States considers you to no longer be of U.S. nationality, it in effect considers you to no longer be a citizen. Note that these are things you can do that may force you to lose your citizenship. The law also says that these acts must be voluntary and with the intent of losing U.S. citizenship. The ways to lose citizenship are detailed in 8 USC 1481:

Becoming naturalized in another country
Swearing an oath of allegiance to another country

So if Obama voluntarity admitted on his College records he was a FOREIGNOR to recieve funding he lost his claim to citizenship of the US. :wink:
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Where did reader go? Must of went to talk to her well educated influential Citizenship lawyer friend that lives next door to the economist that retired early because he made so much money . :roll:
 

alice

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Big Muddy rancher said:
alice said:
I read somewhere she was going out for the evening. Some people have lives away from this board.

Alice

Guess you and I don't. :wink: :D

Wrong...spent the morning working cattle, and the afternoon in Dallas...but then again, who cares? I damn sure don't...

Alice
 

Big Muddy rancher

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alice said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
alice said:
I read somewhere she was going out for the evening. Some people have lives away from this board.

Alice

Guess you and I don't. :wink: :D

Wrong...spent the morning working cattle, and the afternoon in Dallas...but then again, who cares? I damn sure don't...

Alice

Ain't that a coincidence I spent the day feeding cattle and i didn't go to Dallas. :D
 

Hanta Yo

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My answer is NO.

Dr Orly Taitz Letter to State Representatives, Senators & US Representatives

Dr. Orly Taitz, ESQ

26202 La Paz ste 211

Mission Viejo, CA 92691

03.04.09.

Dear State Representatives, Senators and US Representatives:

My name is Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq and I am currently representing over a 100 members of the US military from all branches throughout this country. Ranks range from Major General to enlisted. We challenge the legitimacy of Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, for the position of the President and Commander in Chief for following reasons:

1. President has to be a Natural born citizen, meaning born in this country to parents, that are both US citizens. Mr. Obama's father was in this country on a student visa from Kenya, a British Colony at that time. Mr. Obama, Sr was never a US citizen and therefore Mr. Obama is not qualified to be the President of this country.

2. The State of Hawaii, statute 338, allows foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to get an Hawaiian birth certificate. Mr. Obama has never presented any corroborating evidence, that he was actually born in Hawaii. His paternal grandmother in Kenya and the Ambassador of Kenya made statements that he was born in Kenya.

3. The image that Mr. Obama has posted on the Internet was not a valid birth certificate, but rather a limited value document, called Short Version Certification of live birth. The Certification of Live Birth does not name a hospital, name a doctor, have any signatures or a seal of the Hawaiian Health Department on the front of the document. This document is usually given to parties that don't have a proper hospital birth certificate and it is given based on a statement of one relative only. Even the state of Hawaii doesn't give full credit to these documents.

4. The state of Hawaii has sealed Mr. Obama’s birth certificate on file and only stated, that there is a document on file. In spite of numerous demands, the Hawaiian Office of Vital Statistics refused to provide information as to whether it is a certificate for a foreign born child of a resident, is it a proper hospital birth certificate, or a short version COLB of limited value.

5. Even if Mr.Obama had any citizenship status until age 5, he lost it, when he immigrated to Indonesia and acquired Indonesian citizenship. Indonesia doesn't allow dual citizenship and Mr. Obama reaffirmed his Indonesian citizenship, therefore relinquishing his US citizenship, when he traveled using an Indonesian passport as an adult.

6. Mr. Obama has sealed all of his vital records and reportedly spent over $800,000 on an army of attorneys to keep his records sealed and Mr. Obama's attorneys have harassed and intimidated attorneys challenging Obama's eligibility.

7. In spite of Obama's arrogant claims, that all cases were debunked, not one single case was heard on the merits. The courts stated that ordinary citizens have no standing to challenge Obama and courts have no jurisdiction. Not one single person in this country has seen Obama's vital records.

As elected state and US officials, you have a right and an obligation to hold Judicial hearings on issues of paramount importance and you have a right and an obligation to issue subpoenas for production of documents and subpoena witnesses for testimony on such important issues.

My clients, particularly ones that are in active military, such as resident of Tennessee, currently serving in Iraq, Scott Easterling, are in an impossible position. If they follow Obama's orders, as illegitimate Commander in Chief, they will be subject to court martial for following illegal orders. If they are refusing to follow his orders, they can be subject to court martial for insubordination. No member of the US military, that is risking his life and protecting all of our lives, including your lives and the lives of your family members, should be in such predicament. Due to the above, I demand that you request to hold Judicial hearings in the Senate and House of Representatives on the issue of Obama's eligibility and issue the following subpoenas:

1. Subpoena from the State of Hawaii State Department of a certified copy of Obama's original long version (vault) birth certificate.

2. Subpoena from the Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, all of Obama's passport and immigration records.

3. Subpoena from the Board of Regents of Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard University all of Obama's college applications and financial aid applications.

4. Subpoena from Mr. Obama a certified copy of all of the above records.

5. Subpoena from the Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates, a copy of Obama's certification of the selective military service, as according to a statement, prepared by a retired Federal Agent, Steven Coffman, there is evidence of forgery in the certificate Obama presented to the public.

6. Subpoena from the Regents of the University of Pennsylvania, Annenberg FactCheck.org. explanation and records, as to how did they claim to have examined Obama's birth Certificate and found it valid. Neither the State of Hawaii, nor Obama has ever released such birth certificate and there is no evidence of Obama being born in any hospital in Hawaii, and the only thing that was ever presented, was limited value short version Certification of Live Birth.

I appreciate your expedient assistance in this most important matter of National Security.

Sincerely,

Dr. Orly Taitz, ESQ

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26302 La Paz ste 211

Mission Viejo, CA 92691

ph 949-683-5411

fax 949-586-2082

[email protected]

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IF this was released by the State of Hawaii, WHERE IS THE SEAL? The State of Hawaii has stated they DO NOT release documents electronicaly, nor would it leave Vital Records without the embossed SEAL.


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Judge Blasts Cases Doubting Obama's Citizenship

Thursday, March 5, 2009 6:33 PM

WASHINGTON -- A federal judge on Thursday threw out a lawsuit questioning President Barack Obama's citizenship, lambasting the case as a waste of the court's time and suggesting the plaintiff's attorney may have to compensate the president's lawyer.


In an argument popular on the Internet and taken seriously practically nowhere else, Obama's critics argue he is ineligible to be president because he is not a "natural-born citizen" as the Constitution requires.


In response last summer, Obama's campaign posted his Hawaiian birth certificate on its Web site. But the lawsuit argues it is a fake and that Obama was actually born in his father's homeland of Kenya, even though Hawaiian officials have said the document is authentic.


"This case, if it were allowed to proceed, would deserve mention in one of those books that seek to prove that the law is foolish or that America has too many lawyers with not enough to do," U.S. District Judge James Robertson said in his written opinion.


The lawsuit didn't even use Obama's legal name but called him "Barry Soetoro," the name he went by while attending elementary school in Indonesia. It's one of many that has been filed claiming Obama is ineligible to serve as president.


Robertson ordered plaintiff's attorney John Hemenway of Colorado Springs, Colo., to show why he hasn't violated court rules barring frivolous and harassing cases and shouldn't have to pay Obama's attorney, Bob Bauer, for his time arguing that the case should be thrown out.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_citizenship_cases/2009/03/05/188991.html
 
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