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You guys are becoming less relevant.

Whitewing

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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_VILSACK_RURAL_AMERICA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-12-08-08-24-10

Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack has some harsh words for rural America: It's "becoming less and less relevant," he says.

A month after an election that Democrats won even as rural parts of the country voted overwhelmingly Republican, the former Democratic governor of Iowa told farm belt leaders this past week that he's frustrated with their internecine squabbles and says they need to be more strategic in picking their political fights.


And here's a nifty idea I'd not heard about:

Vilsack criticized farmers who have embraced wedge issues such as regulation, citing the uproar over the idea that the Environmental Protection Agency was going to start regulating farm dust after the Obama administration said repeatedly it had no so such intention.

Someone please tell me that no such idea was ever floated, because if it was, trust me, it'll eventually find its way into law with this bunch of Marists running the show.
 

Steve

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he's frustrated with their internecine squabbles and says they need to be more strategic in picking their political fights.

in other words if you want representation.. you have to vote for the goodies..





Vilsack criticized farmers who have embraced wedge issues such as regulation,

in other words if you're not in lockstep.. you're wrong? comments like that makes a person think this guy was secretly born and raised in a city :?
 

okfarmer

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Yes it was an idea that was proposed.


Steve,

Those people are born and raised everywhere. Once you fall into the thought you know better than everyone else, you're over half way to being a liberal.
 

smalltime

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I think everone knows that food comes from the farm.They also know that those farms are government subsidized.When you take the money you forfiet control.
 

Mike

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smalltime said:
I think everone knows that food comes from the farm.They also know that those farms are government subsidized.When you take the money you forfiet control.

The majority of all farms in the U.S. AREN'T subsidized. The smaller ones.
 

Larrry

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smalltime

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Are you trying to say that 82 billion dolars doesn't help farmers?How would that money be replaced in the ag economy?I'm asuming that the people recieving food stamps dont have money to buy the food themselves.
 

Larrry

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Now come on I didn't say anything you said. Now don't go down that liberal path in defining what you wanted me to say and didn't then you attack the phantom definition
 

Mike

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smalltime said:
Are you trying to say that 82 billion dolars doesn't help farmers?How would that money be replaced in the ag economy?I'm asuming that the people recieving food stamps dont have money to buy the food themselves.

I'm not so sure if Food Stamps were eliminated that the recipients would just quit eating.

If the money came from their own pockets, the Cokes, Twinkies, and Dorito's sales would definitely take a hit.
 

George

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My wife's family are all on food stamps - - - They complain that they have to go thru the check out line twice each time they go shopping. The first time they fill their cart with canned goods they have no intention of buying. These are not disabled people they are just people who have never held a job and have no intention of doing so.

They then go to customer service and turn the canned goods back in for an "in store credit" Then they go back and get what they want - - - beer, cigarettes and anything else that the store sells.

I went to the manager of the local Kroger and complained and was told about 70% to 80% of all the food stamp people do that. I asked why they allow it I was told they know if they put a stop to it the other stores will just get the money instead.

I have complained to my local represenitives and senators but they do not want to tackle the issue as they feel they would lose to many votes ( they will not express this but you can read between the lines ) Should we have a “qualification” to vote?

I guess there is no easy way to determine who should have the right to vote - - - Just an idea - - - in Switzerland you must do 2 years of service to country to earn the right to vote - - - many do it in the military but you can do other civil service work if you object to the military. This would not exclude anyone for their race, sex, social status or religious beliefs. But you will not have a firearm issued to you if you do not do military service.

I’m not sure this is the best way but it sure beats what we have here!

Many will say that “so and so” has a disability that would prevent the military /civil service - - - I think there could be a job for everyone if they had the motivation! Hunger could be a good motivator.
 

Faster horses

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smalltime said:
I think everone knows that food comes from the farm.They also know that those farms are government subsidized.When you take the money you forfiet control.

No. EVERYONE doesn't know food comes from the farm.

As for food stamps, people figured out long ago how to get by the
requirements. My sister-in-law worked in a grocery store. And hey,
these people get MAD if you confront them.
 

Larrry

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First I posted the graph to show that not as much is going to the ag industry is we are tried to make believe. The government subsidies of any nature are their not to help anyone but to control people. It might not have started out as a way to control but it sure ended up that way.
Secondly if we have a Sec of Ag who believes that way I would say he failed at his job
 

smalltime

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I had no intention of taking a liberal tactic.My appolgy Larry.My position is ,yhe whole pie in its entirety be shut down.End all of it,terminate the emploment,sell off all the assets.
 

Larrry

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What you have though is that most people in society want other peoples pie stopped but not theirs. So politicians throw a bone to people so they go back under the porch and shut up.
 

George

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It took me a few minutes but I found what I was looking for

2 Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

If we are to believe the Bible we have to believe there are hard lessons to learn - - - but the Devil will try to tell you that with compassion you should feed everyone - - - this just allows them to become lazy and non-productive and as Grandma always said "Idle hands are the Devil's workshop!"

Foodstamps are not the answer - - - I know in this community the truly needy are helped by the churches without fanfare and helped into a better life not just a hand out!

James 1:27
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

I feel the truly disabled would fall under this catagory - - - but the lazy fall under the first verse. It does not state “The one who is unable to work shall not eat.” There is a major differance between being unable and unwilling and until we realise that we will be brought down.

Being lazy is discussed as well.

Ecclesiastes 11:6
Sow your seed in the morning, and at evening let your hands not be idle, for you do not know which will succeed, whether this or that, or whether both will do equally well.

Ecclesiastes 10:18
Through laziness, the rafters sag; because of idle hands, the house leaks.
 

TSR

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Problem is many deserve help and especially children who are completely innocent. Most of the employees (to my knowledge) at our local mom and pop store get foodstamps as most have at least one child, are single parents and make near the minimum wage. George, that store could lose its license to accept FS or worse, if caught giving such credit for goods being brought back,quite a price to pay for doing such imo.
 

okfarmer

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TSR said:
Problem is many deserve help and especially children who are completely innocent. Most of the employees (to my knowledge) at our local mom and pop store get foodstamps as most have at least one child, are single parents and make near the minimum wage. George, that store could lose its license to accept FS or worse, if caught giving such credit for goods being brought back,quite a price to pay for doing such imo.

You have a list of a how many stores lost their license in the last 3 years?
 

George

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With the way the law is written in Indiana the stores are fully complying - - - by law they cannot give cash refunds or change ( instead of stamps we have a debit card here ) but it is legal for them to give "in store credit" then that can be used for "future purchases" in this case the future is about 20 minutes.

I have brought this up to the elected represenitives and they will not do anything as they are afraid they will loose votes!
 
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