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Texan

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fff

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Oldtimer said:
fff said:
Who is that?


McSame

Oh, right. He cleans up good. Put that dude in a dress uniform and you can see how young Cindy was swept off her feet. Other women's husbands, other children's fathers, are fair game if you're a pretty blond rich girl. Why is it leaders of the conservative, family values, Republican Party just can't seem to honor their wedding vows? Did you see this article about the first Mrs. McCain? Pretty sad.

Now that Hillary Clinton has at last formally withdrawn from the race for the White House, the eyes of America and the world will focus on Barack Obama and his Republican rival Senator John McCain.

While Obama will surely press his credentials as the embodiment of the American dream – a handsome, charismatic young black man who was raised on food stamps by a single mother and who represents his country’s future – McCain will present himself as a selfless, principled war hero whose campaign represents not so much a battle for the presidency of the United States, but a crusade to rescue the nation’s tarnished reputation.

McCain likes to illustrate his moral fibre by referring to his five years as a prisoner-of-war in Vietnam. And to demonstrate his commitment to family values, the 71-year-old former US Navy pilot pays warm tribute to his beautiful blonde wife, Cindy, with whom he has four children.

But there is another Mrs McCain who casts a ghostly shadow over the Senator’s presidential campaign. She is seldom seen and rarely written about, despite being mother to McCain’s three eldest children.

And yet, had events turned out differently, it would be she, rather than Cindy, who would be vying to be First Lady. She is McCain’s first wife, Carol, who was a famous beauty and a successful swimwear model when they married in 1965.

She was the woman McCain dreamed of during his long incarceration and torture in Vietnam’s infamous ‘Hanoi Hilton’ prison and the woman who faithfully stayed at home looking after the children and waiting anxiously for news.

But when McCain returned to America in 1973 to a fanfare of publicity and a handshake from Richard Nixon, he discovered his wife had been disfigured in a terrible car crash three years earlier. Her car had skidded on icy roads into a telegraph pole on Christmas Eve, 1969. Her pelvis and one arm were shattered by the impact and she suffered massive internal injuries.

When Carol was discharged from hospital after six months of life-saving surgery, the prognosis was bleak. In order to save her legs, surgeons

had been forced to cut away huge sections of shattered bone, taking with it her tall, willowy figure. She was confined to a wheelchair and was forced to use a catheter.

Through sheer hard work, Carol learned to walk again. But when John McCain came home from Vietnam, she had gained a lot of weight and bore little resemblance to her old self.

Today, she stands at just 5ft4in and still walks awkwardly, with a pronounced limp. Her body is held together by screws and metal plates and, at 70, her face is worn by wrinkles that speak of decades of silent suffering.

For nearly 30 years, Carol has maintained a dignified silence about the accident, McCain and their divorce. But last week at the bungalow where she now lives at Virginia Beach, a faded seaside resort 200 miles south of Washington, she told The Mail on Sunday how McCain divorced her in 1980 and married Cindy, 18 years his junior and the heir to an Arizona brewing fortune, just one month later.

Carol insists she remains on good terms with her ex-husband, who agreed as part of their divorce settlement to pay her medical costs for life. ‘I have no bitterness,’

she says. ‘My accident is well recorded. I had 23 operations, I am five inches shorter than I used to be and I was in hospital for six months. It was just awful, but it wasn’t the reason for my divorce.

‘My marriage ended because John McCain didn’t want to be 40, he wanted to be 25. You know that happens...it just does.’

Some of McCain’s acquaintances are less forgiving, however. They portray the politician as a self-centred womaniser who effectively abandoned his crippled wife to ‘play the field’. They accuse him of finally settling on Cindy, a former rodeo beauty queen, for financial reasons.

McCain was then earning little more than £25,000 a year as a naval officer, while his new father-in-law, Jim Hensley, was a multi-millionaire who had impeccable political connections.

He first met Carol in the Fifties while he was at the US Naval Academy in Annapolis. He was a privileged, but rebellious scion of one of America’s most distinguished military dynasties – his father and grandfather were both admirals.

But setting out to have a good time, the young McCain hung out with a group of young officers who called themselves the ‘Bad Bunch’.

His primary interest was women and his conquests ranged from a knife-wielding floozy nicknamed ‘Marie, the Flame of Florida’ to a tobacco heiress.

Carol fell into his fast-living world by accident. She escaped a poor upbringing in Philadelphia to become a successful model, married an Annapolis classmate of McCain’s and had two children – Douglas and Andrew – before renewing what one acquaintance calls ‘an old flirtation’ with McCain.

It seems clear she was bowled over by McCain’s attention at a time when he was becoming bored with his playboy lifestyle.

‘He was 28 and ready to settle down and he loved Carol’s children,’ recalled another Annapolis graduate, Robert Timberg, who wrote The Nightingale’s Song, a bestselling biography of McCain and four other graduates of the academy.

The couple married and McCain adopted Carol’s sons. Their daughter, Sidney, was born a year later, but domesticity was clearly beginning
to bore McCain – the couple were regarded as ‘fixtures on the party circuit’ before McCain requested combat duty in Vietnam at the end of 1966.

He was assigned as a bomber pilot on an aircraft carrier in the Gulf of Tonkin.

What follows is the stuff of the McCain legend. He was shot down over Hanoi in October 1967 on his 23rd mission over North Vietnam and was badly beaten by an angry mob when he was pulled, half-drowned from a lake.

Over the next five-and-a-half years in the notorious Hoa Loa Prison he was regularly tortured and mistreated.

It was in 1969 that Carol went to spend the Christmas holiday – her third without McCain – at her parents’ home. After dinner, she left to drop off some presents at a friend’s house.

It wasn’t until some hours later that she was discovered, alone and in terrible pain, next to the wreckage of her car. She had been hurled through the windscreen.

After her first series of life-saving operations, Carol was told she may never walk again, but when doctors said they would try to get word to McCain about her injuries, she refused, insisting: ‘He’s got enough problems, I don’t want to tell him.’

H. Ross Perot, a billionaire Texas businessman, future presidential candidate and advocate of prisoners of war, paid for her medical care.

When McCain – his hair turned prematurely white and his body reduced to little more than a skeleton – was released in March 1973, he told reporters he was overjoyed to see Carol again.

But friends say privately he was ‘appalled’ by the change in her appearance. At first, though, he was kind, assuring her: ‘I don’t look so good myself. It’s fine.’

He bought her a bungalow near the sea in Florida and another former PoW helped him to build a railing so she could pull herself over the dunes to the water.

‘I thought, of course, we would live happily ever after,’ says Carol. But as a war hero, McCain was moving in ever-more elevated circles.

Through Ross Perot, he met Ronald Reagan, then Governor of California. A sympathetic Nancy Reagan took Carol under her wing.

But already the McCains’ marriage had begun to fray. ‘John started carousing and running around with women,’ said Robert Timberg.

McCain has acknowledged that he had girlfriends during this time, without going into details. Some friends blame his dissatisfaction with Carol, but others give some credence to her theory of a mid-life crisis.

He was also fiercely ambitious, but it was clear he would never become an admiral like his illustrious father and grandfather and his thoughts were turning to politics.

In 1979 – while still married to Carol – he met Cindy at a cocktail party in Hawaii. Over the next six months he pursued her, flying around the country to see her. Then he began to push to end his marriage.

Carol and her children were devastated. ‘It was a complete surprise,’ says Nancy Reynolds, a former Reagan aide.

‘They never displayed any difficulties between themselves. I know the Reagans were quite shocked because they loved and respected both Carol and John.’

Another friend added: ‘Carol didn’t fight him. She felt her infirmity made her an impediment to him. She justified his actions because of all he had gone through. She used to say, “He just wants to make up for lost time.”’

Indeed, to many in their circle the saddest part of the break-up was Carol’s decision to resign herself to losing a man she says she still adores.

Friends confirm she has remained friends with McCain and backed him in all his campaigns. ‘He was very generous to her in the divorce but of course he could afford to be, since he was marrying Cindy,’ one observed.

McCain transferred the Florida beach house to Carol and gave her the right to live in their jointly-owned townhouse in the Washington suburb of Alexandria. He also agreed to pay her alimony and child support.

A former neighbour says she subsequently sold up in Florida and Washington and moved in 2003 to Virginia Beach. He said: ‘My impression was that she found the new place easier to manage as she still has some difficulties walking.’

Meanwhile McCain moved to Arizona with his new bride immediately after their 1980 marriage. There, his new father-in-law gave him a job and introduced him to local businessmen and political powerbrokers who would smooth his passage to Washington via the House of Representatives and Senate.

And yet despite his popularity as a politician, there are those who won’t forget his treatment of his first wife.

Ted Sampley, who fought with US Special Forces in Vietnam and is now a leading campaigner for veterans’ rights, said: ‘I have been following John McCain’s career for nearly 20 years. I know him personally. There is something wrong with this guy and let me tell you what it is – deceit.

‘When he came home and saw that Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her almost right away. Everybody around him knew it.

‘Eventually he met Cindy and she was young and beautiful and very wealthy. At that point McCain just dumped Carol for something he thought was better.

‘This is a guy who makes such a big deal about his character. He has no character. He is a fake. If there was any character in that first marriage, it all belonged to Carol.’

One old friend of the McCains said: ‘Carol always insists she is not bitter, but I think that’s a defence mechanism. She also feels deeply in his debt because in return for her agreement to a divorce, he promised to pay for her medical care for the rest of her life.’

Carol remained resolutely loyal as McCain’s political star rose. She says she agreed to talk to The Mail on Sunday only because she wanted to publicise her support for the man who abandoned her.

Indeed, the old Mercedes that she uses to run errands displays both a disabled badge and a sticker encouraging people to vote for her ex-husband. ‘He’s a good guy,’ she assured us. ‘We are still good friends. He is the best man for president.’

But Ross Perot, who paid her medical bills all those years ago, now believes that both Carol McCain and the American people have been taken in by a man who is unusually slick and cruel – even by the standards of modern politics.

‘McCain is the classic opportunist. He’s always reaching for attention and glory,’ he said.

‘After he came home, Carol walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona. And the rest is history.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html
 
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But Ross Perot, who paid her medical bills all those years ago, now believes that both Carol McCain and the American people have been taken in by a man who is unusually slick and cruel – even by the standards of modern politics.

Yep- I read it- had read most of it before put out by an Arizona Newspaper-but this was written by an English publication...

If my boy Ross says he's a snake- thats good enough for me...
Barr, Baldwin, or even Obama are looking better every day-- as I hear daily in the coffeeshop and waterhole- "Nobody could be worse than Bush"- but McSame seems to want to follow in his footsteps.....
 

aplusmnt

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:lol: fff does not get that it is a picture of Bush and McCain combined :lol:

ps. if McCain's ex wife does not hold a grudge then that is good enough for me, case closed. That is business between him and her!

Carol insists she remains on good terms with her ex-husband, who agreed as part of their divorce settlement to pay her medical costs for life. ‘I have no bitterness,’
 

hopalong

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aplusmnt said:
:lol: fff does not get that it is a picture of Bush and McCain combined :lol:

ps. if McCain's ex wife does not hold a grudge then that is good enough for me, case closed. That is business between him and her!

Carol insists she remains on good terms with her ex-husband, who agreed as part of their divorce settlement to pay her medical costs for life. ‘I have no bitterness,’

But that doesn't effect how the great fff and oldtimer feel they can only offer negitivism.
The sky is falling.
 

fff

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aplusmnt said:
:lol: fff does not get that it is a picture of Bush and McCain combined :lol:

ps. if McCain's ex wife does not hold a grudge then that is good enough for me, case closed. That is business between him and her!


But Monica couldn't be just between Bill and Hillary, could she?
 

aplusmnt

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fff said:
aplusmnt said:
:lol: fff does not get that it is a picture of Bush and McCain combined :lol:

ps. if McCain's ex wife does not hold a grudge then that is good enough for me, case closed. That is business between him and her!


But Monica couldn't be just between Bill and Hillary, could she?


First off the main point is you were not observant enough to realize that was a picture of Bush and McCain combined, even though you call them McSame...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Secondly there was a lot more to the Bill and Monica ordeal and you know it. Government employee, lying to congress....etc......Not even in the same ball park as to McCain's private life.........Now once McCain is President if he does something in moral with an intern on Government property I would like to know about it! But until then I will accept that if McCain's ex wife says she has no hard feelings then why would I have hard feelings, he was not married to me!
 

backhoeboogie

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McCain is a lib and may as well be democrat. No way in hades is it a McSame in the first darn place.

Ten years from now crying losers are still going to be spilling tears. It is always somebody else's fault.

Doers and shakers will still be doing and shaking.
 

Mrs.Greg

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aplusmnt said:
fff said:
aplusmnt said:
:lol: fff does not get that it is a picture of Bush and McCain combined :lol:

ps. if McCain's ex wife does not hold a grudge then that is good enough for me, case closed. That is business between him and her!


But Monica couldn't be just between Bill and Hillary, could she?


First off the main point is you were not observant enough to realize that was a picture of Bush and McCain combined, even though you call them McSame...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Secondly there was a lot more to the Bill and Monica ordeal and you know it. Government employee, lying to congress....etc......Not even in the same ball park as to McCain's private life.........Now once McCain is President if he does something in moral with an intern on Government property I would like to know about it! But until then I will accept that if McCain's ex wife says she has no hard feelings then why would I have hard feelings, he was not married to me!
Your the one thats always going on about the lack of morality out there,I tend to agree with that but I think one its not very commendable that your more then willing to over look your "maybe" next presidents lack of moral standards yet have a hissy fit over another opponents standing behind a long time minister.Ones more commendable then another huh?????
 

hopalong

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Larrry said:
Are you saying you have experience at doing and shaking?

All those midnight patrols probably weren't just eating donuts. At least he wasn't at home making more oldwhiners

lol lol lol
Someone else has found out about you Oldtimer!!
Except there were no donut shops in Valley county Montana at that time,5000 residents couldn't support a donut shop so they sat around the feed store making up stories about how he single handley whupped up on the James gang, and Butch and Sundance, and attended secret meetings with the CIA/FBI. on that big round ship that those folks used for secret meetings! :oops: :roll: :roll: Then got up in the morning to attend all those sessions at the Montana congress never missing a one!
Well except for those he forgot to take his meds like he is doing as of late,
responding to his own posts :D :D
And running polls about the economy!
 

aplusmnt

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Mrs.Greg said:
Your the one thats always going on about the lack of morality out there,I tend to agree with that but I think one its not very commendable that your more then willing to over look your "maybe" next presidents lack of moral standards yet have a hissy fit over another opponents standing behind a long time minister.Ones more commendable then another huh?????

Like I said if he has morality issues while serving then I have some interest, as Bill Clinton shamed our country in his behavior and lied under oath about it, he also did it with a government employee which is another whole issue.

I am not going to go back and listen to hear say some 20 or more years ago about why a man and woman divorced, I may have a little interest if the wife was not saying she holds no grudge against him. Just like I do not care if Hillary divorced Bill or not that is between them, I care about how he acted while representing me as a President, and that he lied under oath. In all reality I am not even concerned about Bills Morality issues, you probably have me pegged as some Bible Thumper but in reality I am not, I just have a good understanding of what the bible says, and do not believe in tweaking it to fit my personal opinions.

If I was married to Hillary I would probably have left her or strayed, so I do not fault the man much for that. Just wait until you are no longer President and then do not insult our intelligence by lying about it! Its the shame he brought to the Presidential office I do not like, not what he did to Hillary!
 

loomixguy

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No matter how much he shakes and dances, the last 3 drops always ends up in Old Whiner's pants! :lol: :lol: :lol: THAT is the extent of his moving and shaking!
 

fff

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aplusmnt said:
fff said:
aplusmnt said:
:lol: fff does not get that it is a picture of Bush and McCain combined :lol:

ps. if McCain's ex wife does not hold a grudge then that is good enough for me, case closed. That is business between him and her!


But Monica couldn't be just between Bill and Hillary, could she?


First off the main point is you were not observant enough to realize that was a picture of Bush and McCain combined, even though you call them McSame...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Secondly there was a lot more to the Bill and Monica ordeal and you know it. Government employee, lying to congress....etc......Not even in the same ball park as to McCain's private life.........Now once McCain is President if he does something in moral with an intern on Government property I would like to know about it! But until then I will accept that if McCain's ex wife says she has no hard feelings then why would I have hard feelings, he was not married to me!

First off, I didn't recognize the photo. That's why I asked who it was.

Secondly, John McCain was a government employee. He was on active duty with the US Navy. It's considered adultery and has been prosecuted under military law.

The Uniform Code of Military Justice, the military criminal code, bars married servicemen from having extramarital sex and unmarried servicemen from sleeping with married people. However, the rules come with qualifications. They say that the military will only prosecute when a case harms "good order and discipline" and when the adultery is "of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces." The ambiguity is intentional: Visits to prostitutes are not reasons for a court-martial, but long-term affairs and affairs between soldiers are considered dangerous and deserving of punishment.

Unlike civilian anti-adultery laws, the military rules are sometimes enforced. Last year the Air Force alone prosecuted 67 soldiers for adultery. Critics say that the military applies these laws hypocritically, allowing high-ranking male officers to get away with affairs but not women or rank-and-file soldiers. Secretary of Defense William Cohen has ordered a Pentagon commission to clarify the guidelines in an effort to eliminate perceived inconsistencies.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_adultery_punishable_in_the_military

So, as usual, you're full of hot air. Why wasn't McCain prosecuted? He was the son and grandson of Admirals. He was a war hero. His wife was sick, unwilling to complain. But don't try to say it's different from Bill and Monica. Except, of course, Bill is still married to his old woman. He didn't throw her aside for the young chick like McCain.
 

Texan

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fff said:
First off, I didn't recognize the photo.
I'm sorry, ff. I didn't realize that the staff optometrist there at the nursing home was on vacation. I hope you can get your problem taken care of as soon as he gets back. :p :wink:

I started to call this thread, "McBush" or "McSame." I just didn't think that would be accurate. That is only what the Dems want everybody to think.

The truth is, the Democrat strategy has been in place long before there was even a Republican nominee - link the Republican to President Bush however they can.

I'll have to admit that the "Mc" part just makes it too easy for them. :lol:
 
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