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You mean we don't have to pay our income taxes????

hypocritexposer

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Hanta, there was an IRS agent that took up a bet to find one law that says that Income taxes are mandatory, she could not find one.

Many IRS agents don't file.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y3pHdY8LFA
 

Hanta Yo

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Interesting watch! I say how 'bout we all rise up and not pay our income taxes and really create some havoc in the White House?
 
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Anonymous

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hypocritexposer said:
Hanta, there was an IRS agent that took up a bet to find one law that says that Income taxes are mandatory, she could not find one.

Many IRS agents don't file.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y3pHdY8LFA

I've watched many folks that were sold that song and dance by some of the rightwingernuts-- good people but gullible-- like the Freemen- and the Posse Comitatus folks- that ended up losing everything- and some are still sitting in prison....
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
Hanta, there was an IRS agent that took up a bet to find one law that says that Income taxes are mandatory, she could not find one.

Many IRS agents don't file.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y3pHdY8LFA

I've watched many folks that were sold that song and dance by some of the rightwingernuts-- good people but gullible-- like the Freemen- and the Posse Comitatus folks- that ended up losing everything- and some are still sitting in prison....

It HAS to be Right Wingers coming up with this stuff.......... cause Democrats don't file or pay ANYWAY.................

"BALANCE THE BUDGET" - "AUDIT THE DEMOCRATS"
 

hopalong

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
Hanta, there was an IRS agent that took up a bet to find one law that says that Income taxes are mandatory, she could not find one.

Many IRS agents don't file.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y3pHdY8LFA

I've watched many folks that were sold that song and dance by some of the rightwingernuts-- good people but gullible-- like the Freemen- and the Posse Comitatus folks- that ended up losing everything- and some are still sitting in prison....

Come on oldtimer!!! Put names to that claim!!!!!
I am willilg to bet that there are are NO person in jail for not paying income taxes!
They might be in jail but not for paying INCOME taxes!

Offer up some proof other than your usual garbage than you KNOW!!!!!!!!

BULLCRAP!!!!!!
 
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Anonymous

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Heres the number one name that came to mind- several more...Several in my county- some that went or are in prison, like the Petersons, or that lost everything when the IRS filed liens on their properties and farms for nonpayment of taxes...

You can read about it on your own:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Freemen

LeRoy Schweitzer and the Freemen used Anderson on the Uniform Commercial Code, a Bankers Handbook and various other materials related to the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) to file notices of liens against public officials. The purported liens were then allegedly sold to generate equity to fund efforts of the Freeman to make a "firm offer to pay off the national debt." The Freemen claimed that the alleged liens conformed to the UCC, and that their "Justus Township" court had an interest in a tort claim for damages, or for damages incurred by the named public officials for violations of their oaths of office. The Freeman viewed public officials' support and support of the credit system as a non-constitutional act that was "...depriving the people of their property until our posterity wakes up homeless...".[citation needed]

Schweitzer has been serving a 22-year sentence for 25 convictions of crimes stemming from a scheme to issue bogus checks. He is incarcerated at the Administrative Maximum (ADX) facility at the Florence Federal Correctional Complex at Florence, Colorado, and is scheduled for release in December 2018.[1] A jury convicted him of conspiracy, bank fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud, false claims to the IRS, interstate transportation of stolen property, threats against public officials, armed robbery of a television news crew and firearms violations.
 

Hanta Yo

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I don't see where they were put in jail for not paying income taxes. Boy you sure know how to exaggerate :roll:
 
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Anonymous

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Hanta Yo said:
I don't see where they were put in jail for not paying income taxes. Boy you sure know how to exaggerate :roll:

Taxes and false tax claims is what started it all- and made them criminals-- and why all the local folks lost their ranchs, homes and business's....

Following a rightwingernut attorney from Calgary's scam- that said the tax laws were not enforceable- and that only the gold standard counted...

Boy did they show the government :wink: :lol: :lol: :p
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
Hanta Yo said:
I don't see where they were put in jail for not paying income taxes. Boy you sure know how to exaggerate :roll:

Taxes and false tax claims is what started it all

You didn't read your own damn article? AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!

Schweitzer has been serving a 22-year sentence for 25 convictions of crimes stemming from a scheme to issue bogus checks.
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
Oldtimer said:
Hanta Yo said:
I don't see where they were put in jail for not paying income taxes. Boy you sure know how to exaggerate :roll:

Taxes and false tax claims is what started it all

You didn't read your own damn article? AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!

Schweitzer has been serving a 22-year sentence for 25 convictions of crimes stemming from a scheme to issue bogus checks.

A jury convicted him of conspiracy, bank fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud, false claims to the IRS, interstate transportation of stolen property, threats against public officials, armed robbery of a television news crew and firearms violations.

They were using those bogus chunks of paper/liens/funny money to pay property taxs and income taxs with....The biggest share of these charges conspiracy, bank fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud, false claims to the IRS, threats against public officials were all involved around their taxes...


I'm quite familiar as I had several liens placed against me by them- until the District Judge ruled the Clerk and Recorder could throw them all out and didn't have to allow them to file any new ones..
It was almost a daily operation with some showing up in the court house- trying to pay their taxes with this worthless paper they made up- or trying to file more liens- or bidding on repossessed land- and then only wanting to pay for it with $1 gold as no one else used gold-- and then ranting and raving about the Communist government...Sounds much like half the rightwingnuts on here :wink: :p :lol:

And I had to help foreclose on several- after the government took everything and put it up for tax sale--- even negotiating with one fellow who was going to die on his place- to keep his place from becoming the standoff place like Jordan became...Luckily I'd known the man all my life- and with a little talking he could see he'd been sold a bill of goods by the wingnuts- wasn't going to win- and would lose access to even his most personal belongings if we were forced to come in by force- and remove him...
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
Sure. We believe every word you write. :roll:

I never figured you would- as some of these guys had ties to your Aryan Nation and KKK - and we would never want the truth to get out about their activities... :wink:
 

hypocritexposer

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There is no constitutional requirement to pay income taxes on wages. OT, prove me wrong!

Yes they will throw you in jail for not paying, if you file, and don't pay.

Claim the fifth, and don't file, they will not arrest you. So I've heard!

But please, don't take my word for it, check it out for yourself!
 

VanC

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Oldtimer said:
Hanta Yo said:
I don't see where they were put in jail for not paying income taxes. Boy you sure know how to exaggerate :roll:

Taxes and false tax claims is what started it all- and made them criminals-- and why all the local folks lost their ranchs, homes and business's....

Following a rightwingernut attorney from Calgary's scam- that said the tax laws were not enforceable- and that only the gold standard counted...

Boy did they show the government :wink: :lol: :lol: :p

So, in essence, you're saying that the guy is doing time for tax evasion and the convictions for "conspiracy, bank fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud, interstate transportation of stolen property, threats against public officials, armed robbery of a television news crew and firearms violations" had nothing to do with it.

Yes, I see it now. :roll:
 
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Anonymous

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hypocritexposer said:
There is no constitutional requirement to pay income taxes on wages. OT, prove me wrong!

Yes they will throw you in jail for not paying, if you file, and don't pay.

Claim the fifth, and don't file, they will not arrest you. So I've heard!

But please, don't take my word for it, check it out for yourself!

Oh I know income taxes are not directly mentioned in the Constitution-but the Constitution does give Congress the power over tax's under Article I, section 8, clause 1:

The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises [ . . . ] but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States

And the first tax was levied by George Washington in 1789-which caused the Whiskey Rebellion which Washington called up the Militia to put down-- and in 1913 the states ratified the Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution which says:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
 

hypocritexposer

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Most of the discussion around this though, is about Income being corporate, and wages, being personal.

I need to do a little more research, before I'd be able to argue either way.
 
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