hypocritexposer said:So you're saying you found some items in his description you do not agree with? Which parts are way off base Alice?
hypocritexposer said:So you agree with the message! That's what I thought!
alice said:hypocritexposer said:So you agree with the message! That's what I thought!
Nice try...NO I do not agree with the message or anything else Sam Vaknin says, writes, or thinks. I do not even read anything that has his name as the author. The man is a charlatan...a dangerous charlatan. Period! If you want to involve yourself with him, be my guest...you've been warned.
Alice
Big Muddy rancher said:alice said:hypocritexposer said:So you agree with the message! That's what I thought!
Nice try...NO I do not agree with the message or anything else Sam Vaknin says, writes, or thinks. I do not even read anything that has his name as the author. The man is a charlatan...a dangerous charlatan. Period! If you want to involve yourself with him, be my guest...you've been warned.
Alice
Alice and Reader are working from the same page in the little RED book. If you can dispute the facts discredit the author.![]()
I do not even read anything that has his name as the author
But it’s Obama’s own apparent narcissism that has most tongues wagging, many of them, psychologists who believe they’re able to detect most of the classic signs of the disorder in him. Here’s one I found in the comments section at The Debatable Land. This is from August, 2007;
Here are the DSM-IV criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder (five or more listed below in order to make the diagnosis): 1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements); 2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love; 3. Believes that he of she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions); 4. Requires excessive admiration; 5. Has a sense of entitlement , i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations; 6. Is interpersonally exploitative, ie., takes advantage; 7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with feelings and needs of others; 8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her; 9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
While most (if not all) politicians exhibit some or many of these characteristics to one degree or another, one has to meet at least five of these criteria for the diagnosis. I’ll let people decide for themselves. In my humble but professional opinion (clinical psychologist), my observations confirm to me that he clearly meets five and most likely more of the above criteria. I have never given a diagnostic opinion for anyone without evaluating them personally, so I am reluctant to make this decision. However, as a psychologist may be employed as an expert profiler, this is my firm diagnostic impression. I’m interested in what others may think, keeping in mind their training and experience.
Another person who claims to have a background in Psychiatry:
…In fact a friend of mine who is a police psychologist examined a few of Obama’s videos and appearances where he was defending himself and we both saw the classic symptoms showed by suspects when they lie. To be specific we know that when a person is lying they will become extremely defensive, refusing to answer any questions and even accusing you of lying, meaning they have something to hide.
Of course there is nothing wrong with defending oneself against an attack, but in Obama’s case you notice it’s never about the specific charges against him, it’s always about the attacker - his “persecutor”. It’s about deflection. It’s like the kid who gets caught in the cookie jar by Mom only to complain about what his sister is doing
There’s just been so much written about Obama’s narcissism, going back over a year, (before he was even taken seriously as a contender), that it seemed worth looking into, and I thought it might be useful to bundle some of it up into one post.
As mentioned above, part of the reason for Obama’s success, I believe is the narcissism of his impressionable followers. Kathleen Parker put it this way at Real Clear Politics:
To play weatherman for a moment, he is a perfect storm of the culture of narcissism, the cult of celebrity, and a secular society in which fathers (both the holy and the secular) have been increasingly marginalized from the lives of a generation of young Americans.
All of these trends have been gaining momentum the past few decades. Social critic Christopher Lasch named the culture of narcissism a generation ago and cited addiction to celebrity as one of the disease’s symptoms — all tied to the decline of the family.
That culture has merely become more exaggerated as spiritual alienation and fatherlessness have collided with technology (YouTube, Facebook, MySpace, etc.) that enables the self-absorption of the narcissistic personality.
Grown-ups with decades under their double chins may have a variety of reasons for supporting Obama, but the youth who pack convention halls and stadiums as if for a rock concert constitute a tipping point of another order.
Big Muddy rancher said:alice said:hypocritexposer said:So you agree with the message! That's what I thought!
Nice try...NO I do not agree with the message or anything else Sam Vaknin says, writes, or thinks. I do not even read anything that has his name as the author. The man is a charlatan...a dangerous charlatan. Period! If you want to involve yourself with him, be my guest...you've been warned.
Alice
Alice and Reader are working from the same page in the little RED book. If you can dispute the facts discredit the author.![]()
OK since I HAVE delt with a couple true narcissists. Granted they were in prison but let me assure you their ways had NOT changed.Until you have actually dealt with a true narcissist, I caution you about labeling anyone a narcissist.
Alice
MsSage said:OK since I HAVE delt with a couple true narcissists. Granted they were in prison but let me assure you their ways had NOT changed.Until you have actually dealt with a true narcissist, I caution you about labeling anyone a narcissist.
Alice
Please have you delt with any? If so where and prey tell why do you defend them to no end?
MsSage said:OK since I HAVE delt with a couple true narcissists. Granted they were in prison but let me assure you their ways had NOT changed.Until you have actually dealt with a true narcissist, I caution you about labeling anyone a narcissist.
Alice
Please have you delt with any? If so where and prey tell why do you defend them to no end?
alice said:MsSage said:OK since I HAVE delt with a couple true narcissists. Granted they were in prison but let me assure you their ways had NOT changed.Until you have actually dealt with a true narcissist, I caution you about labeling anyone a narcissist.
Alice
Please have you delt with any? If so where and prey tell why do you defend them to no end?
Let me assure you, MsSage, I do not defend them...in fact after having been married to one that was diagnosed NPD, I do whatever it takes to keep my distance from them. It took me a long, long time to scrub the NPD slime off me, and just discussing it now makes me sick to my stomach and makes my headache...so for self preservation, I am thru with this entire thread.
Alice
Sandhusker said:I didn't see Alice disputing anything that was presented in the article, only who wrote it.