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Zimmerman Trial About To Start

Mike

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Ya think that Zimmerman was the aggressor by hitting Martin in the knuckles with his face?

Because George Zimmerman is the one on trial, the law gives him the presumption of innocence. It is up to the prosecutor to convince the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman is guilty.

Because Trayvon Martin is not on trial, he does not have the benefit of the presumtion of innocence.

In May 2012, ABC news reported:

A medical report compiled by the family physician of Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a “closed fracture” of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.

The record shows that Zimmerman also suffered bruising in the upper lip and cheek and lower back pain. The two lacerations on the back of his head, one of them nearly an inch long, the other about a quarter-inch long, were first revealed in photos obtained exclusively by ABC News last month.

That same month, WFTV reported:

WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died.

WFTV has learned that the medical examiner found two injuries on Martin’s body: The fatal gunshot wound and broken skin on his knuckles.

This is sufficient to create reasonable doubt.

That’s not enough to prove that Martin was the aggressor. But it is enough to create reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was the aggressor. And it’s Zimmerman who is on trial here, not Martin.

Unfortunately, it seems that a lot of people have taken sides based on things other than the actual evidence. On both sides, there seem to be people who have based their decision on race, instead of on the actual evidence. And that’s a real shame. The law is supposed to be about evidence, not race.
 

hypocritexposer

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read that the 2 "expert witnesses" that stated that it was Trayvon's voice on the tape, have been discredited and will not testify.

Flounder....where are you to provide us with the facts, in the case?
 

Zilly

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Perhaps I'm looking at this the wrong way, but I see this case as pretty simple. If you go looking for a fight, you are apt to find one. The question is, if you are losing the fight you went looking for, at what point can you legally use deadly force to stop it?

I'll wait for the evidence to come out during the trial to make my decision on if the shooting was justified, but I have no doubt that both are to blame for what happened that night.
 

Martin Jr.

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Was Zimmereman looking for a fight?

Or was he intent on confronting Martin to find out what he was doing there?

If it was a police officer rather than Zimmerman, would it be any different except Martin would have had six bullets in him?
 

Steve

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this was posted before and might shed a bit of light on what may have really happened..

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/05/trayvon_martins_final_hour.html

there is a better article then this but it shows some most of what happened..



The police, however, found Martin's phone buds in his pocket. He apparently took them off before the encounter. He took the button off as well. The police found that in his pocket. The police did not find the blunts. Martin had ample time to go back to the Greens' porch, stash whatever was left of them, pocket the button and the ear buds, and return to seek out Zimmerman.

Martin could have easily made it back to Green's unscathed even if just walking.

so by most accounts.. we have Zimmerman who had lost sight of Martin..walking back to his pickup...

and Martin who took off a button,.. put his ear-buds in his pocket.. and could have "easily made it home" and returned in the time that was left,

in many self defense cases the defender has to have "retreated".. or at least tried to retreat..

it often doesn't matter who was the aggressor.. this is why law abiding people get convicted of shooting a fleeing robber..


this case is even more convoluted.. but the facts can't change no matter how distorted of a picture we are presented with by the media...
 

Zilly

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Martin Jr. said:
Was Zimmereman looking for a fight?

Or was he intent on confronting Martin to find out what he was doing there?

If it was a police officer rather than Zimmerman, would it be any different except Martin would have had six bullets in him?

As far as I know, Martin wasn't actively breaking in or assaulting anyone when Zimmerman called the police. Zimmerman only deemed him to be suspicious. The moment Zimmerman stepped foot out of his truck to follow Martin, Zimmerman increased the chance of a confrontation 100%. He called the cops, let them do their job. His job as a concerned citizen was done at that point... no one was in any danger.

Again, they are both at fault and both put themselves in the position they were in.

As for the question about if it were a cop that did the shooting... it wasn't a cop. There are way too many variables and would be a swag on my part. I would hope that it was investigated thoroughly and if charges needed to be filed then they would be.
 

Faster horses

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Zilly said:
Martin Jr. said:
Was Zimmereman looking for a fight?

Or was he intent on confronting Martin to find out what he was doing there?

If it was a police officer rather than Zimmerman, would it be any different except Martin would have had six bullets in him?

As far as I know, Martin wasn't actively breaking in or assaulting anyone when Zimmerman called the police. Zimmerman only deemed him to be suspicious. The moment Zimmerman stepped foot out of his truck to follow Martin, Zimmerman increased the chance of a confrontation 100%. He called the cops, let them do their job. His job as a concerned citizen was done at that point... no one was in any danger.

Again, they are both at fault and both put themselves in the position they were in.

As for the question about if it were a cop that did the shooting... it wasn't a cop. There are way too many variables and would be a swag on my part. I would hope that it was investigated thoroughly and if charges needed to be filed then they would be.

But remember, the law let Zimmerman go at first. That should say something.
 

Mike

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There had recently been numerous burglaries at the "Retreat At Twin Lakes":

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/files/twinlakesburglaryreports.pdf

I would have skeptical of any strangers in the area too. We all probably would have.
 

Zilly

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My house was robbed back in January and I was pissed. I could have went on a wild goose chase, but what I decided to do was invest in cameras. In February Steve's neighbor to the north showed back up and tried to get in again. I called the State Police and allowed them to do their job. They brought the dude to my house 2 Sundays ago and not only did they get him for my house x2, but more homes that he robbed and info regarding a major crime.

Everyone has choices and those choices have consequences. My choice worked out for me and hopefully many more. Zimmerman's hasn't helped him in the least. For the most part, the system does work if you allow it.

Whether or not Zimmerman shot Martin in self defense, I don't know, but we will all soon find out.
 

Mike

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For the most part, the system does work if you allow it.

Not here. I've had $10,000.00-$20.000 worth of stuff stolen in the past 10 years. Everything from guns to cattle trailers. They stole, broke,or shot my cameras.

So have my neighbors. None of the stuff has ever been found. If they were to be caught, they'll get a suspended sentence and restitution will never be paid. Nothing for a juvenile. Nothing.

Next time I see someone suspicious on my place, woe is them.

I have made up my mind. I will protect my property to the end.

The system DOES NOT work. The more crooks out there, the less it works.
 

Zilly

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Sorry to hear that, Mike. I understand your point of view and find myself less tolerant of people who come around and I don't know them. I used to be polite, but now just tell them to hit the road. I will also protect my home (I'm in NJ and have little recourse outside of my home), but I will not protect my neighbors' home. I am vigilant and will call the cops should I see anything suspicious, but will not risk throwing my life away for other's stuff.
 

Traveler

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Mike said:
For the most part, the system does work if you allow it.

Not here. I've had $10,000.00-$20.000 worth of stuff stolen in the past 10 years. Everything from guns to cattle trailers. They stole, broke,or shot my cameras.

So have my neighbors. None of the stuff has ever been found. If they were to be caught, they'll get a suspended sentence and restitution will never be paid. Nothing for a juvenile. Nothing.

Next time I see someone suspicious on my place, woe is them.

I have made up my mind. I will protect my property to the end.

The system DOES NOT work. The more crooks out there, the less it works.
You don't suppose that longterm suckling at the government's teat would make one less respectful of private property, do you? :shock:
 

Whitewing

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Mike said:
For the most part, the system does work if you allow it.

Not here. I've had $10,000.00-$20.000 worth of stuff stolen in the past 10 years. Everything from guns to cattle trailers. They stole, broke,or shot my cameras.

So have my neighbors. None of the stuff has ever been found. If they were to be caught, they'll get a suspended sentence and restitution will never be paid. Nothing for a juvenile. Nothing.

Next time I see someone suspicious on my place, woe is them.

I have made up my mind. I will protect my property to the end.

The system DOES NOT work. The more crooks out there, the less it works.

You guys haven't seen anything yet. By the time the politicians get done screwing up the country, the US will be just another banana republic which means it's every man for himself. You won't even bother calling the police because half the time they'll either involved in the crime committed or take money to look the other way once the perp is collared.

It's coming. I see it and read about it every day in the stories now originating out of the US.

Cling to your guns because in the end it'll be the only protection you have from those who wish to seperate you from your valuables.
 

Tam

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Back to the Zimmerman case. Mr Zimmerman was convicted by the press the minute they used a picture of Trayvon depicting him as a ten year old little boy just out buying candy verses the 17 year old 6'1" wannabe gangster that had a history of drug use and fighting.

Yes Zimmerman went looking as most neighborhood watchman would have when there was a history of break ins in his neighborhood, but he also called the cops and was returning to his truck as he had lost sight of Trayvon , when he was JUMPED and BEAT UP by not a innocent little boy but a young man looking for a fight. If Trayvon was as innocent as his parents would have everyone think he would have been headed back to the father's house to safety when he noticed he was being followed, he would not have turned back and confronted Zimmerman. Zimmerman's head and face and Trayvon's knuckles prove who the aggressor was in the final minutes. If somebody is sitting on you and beating your head into the ground you should have every right to defend yourself and that is what the evidence is now showing, in spite of the pictures of Trayvon the family gave to the media to garner sympathy for their little boy.
 

Mike

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I'm going to go out on a limb here,and say that if the defense gets their point across to the jury and all the ducks are kept in a row, this will be a slam dunk "not guilty".

There seems to be too much "reasonable doubt" to convict.
 

Tam

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The biggest misjustice of this whole story is the fact so many Black Politicians including Obama got involved in a issue that had NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM.

Obama when asked about cases involving his Administration will answer 9.9 times out of 10, I can not comment on an on going investigation but not when it came to this investigation, he, THE PRESIDENT OF THE US, stuck his nose in claiming if he had a son he would look like Trayvon garnering as much sympathy as he could for the BLACK KID and putting as much guilt as possible on Zimmerman. Many other publicity seeking politicians also stuck their noses in and destroy a man's life to push THEIR AGENGA. Everyone of those rabid dog Politicians that grabbed the media limelight should be ashamed of themselves but I doubt they are. I truly believe they would do it again in it meant they would get PRESS TIME. :roll:
 

mrj

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Incidents like this one, totally politicized by our most manipulative, liberal, and even race baiting politicians, whatever their race may be, are what builds racism. The politician and those who make a living from race based activism share equal blame for that problem.

Why the facts of Mr. Martins' life can be kept out of the trial is a travesty which will likely give him more sympathy in the eyes of the jury.


For justice to be served in this trial will be a real long shot, imo.

mrj
 

Mike

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Why the facts of Mr. Martins' life can be kept out of the trial is a travesty which will likely give him more sympathy in the eyes of the jury.

The facts on Trayvon may come out if the Prosecution opens the door.
 

Tam

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I had to laugh this afternoon when the Martin Lawyer was on with Trayvon's mother. She was asking for people to pray for her and that she gets justice. Then the lawyer spoke up and described Zimmerman as a adult with a gun and Trayvon as a boy with "NO BLOOD ON HIS HANDS". :shock: :x

I'm guessing he was not paying attention when they showed the pictures of Zimmerman's face and head as from what I saw Trayvon had to have blood on his hands the way Zimmerman looked after Trayvon got done beating his head into the ground and bloodying his knuckles with the blood from Zimmerman's face. :roll:
 

Tam

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mrj said:
Incidents like this one, totally politicized by our most manipulative, liberal, and even race baiting politicians, whatever their race may be, are what builds racism. The politician and those who make a living from race based activism share equal blame for that problem.

Why the facts of Mr. Martins' life can be kept out of the trial is a travesty which will likely give him more sympathy in the eyes of the jury.


For justice to be served in this trial will be a real long shot, imo.

mrj

I'm with you on Trayvon's drug use and fighting, they should be fair game as it proves he was not the innocent little boy the MEDIA FLOODED THE AIR WAVES WITH. Didn't the autopsy show he had drugs in his system when he was shot? That should be fair to bring up if they are going to bring up how many times Zimmerman had called the police over the last couple months before that night.

He had a history of violence/fighting and if he wasn't looking for a fight he would have continued on his way to the dad's house once he was out of sight of Zimmerman verses turning back and attacking the guy.
 
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