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Black Baldy Genetic?

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My Dad and I were talking this morning. Since he ran grasser steers for 60 years and I grew up doing that we probably haven't payed enough attention to the genetic side. as XX,YY XY and so on.

What we were discussing is a Black baldy the same using a Black bull on Hereford cows the same as using a Hereford bull on Black cows?

Will the resulting baldies using horned Herefords have as high as incidents of horns either way?
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
My Dad and I were talking this morning. Since he ran grasser steers for 60 years and I grew up doing that we probably haven't payed enough attention to the genetic side. as XX,YY XY and so on.

What we were discussing is a Black baldy the same using a Black bull on Hereford cows the same as using a Hereford bull on Black cows?

Will the resulting baldies using horned Herefords have as high as incidents of horns either way?
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Crossing horned Hereford cows and Angus bulls, you will hardly ever get a horned calf (if memory serves me correctly it is 4%). By using horned Hereford bulls on Angus cows, it runs in my mind that 25% of the calves will have horns.
 
Bull or cow makes no difference. Whether the bulls are homozygous or heterozygous polled makes the difference. Horned cows crossed with a homozygous polled bull will get you 100% polled calves. Horned cows crossed with a heterozygous polled bull will get you 50% polled calves.
 
Got to tend to agree with bullhauler - if you have a genuine straight Angus on either side of the equation you should not get a single horned calf. If you do it raises the question of the purity of your Angus.
 
Boy talk about misinformation out there. If your "angus" are Angus then there will be no horns. A true Angus (purebred) is homozygous polled and all calves will carry a polled head.

And this is true if you breed a Angus bull to horned Hereford cows or if you breed a horned Hereford bull to Angus cows. Makes no difference. What makes a difference is the purity of your Angus.
 
Are you guys insinuating that some purebred angus aren't pure angus :???: :wink: :P :lol:
 
there are two kinds of angus don't you know aberdeeen angus and american angus. aberdeen angus are 100% polled , american can be anything. but why not use a polled hereford bull and and it becomes a non issue. rd
 
"....aberdeen angus are 100% polled , american can be anything." Wow, that's quite a statement if it's true. Unfortunately there aren't many of the "Aberdeen" variety anymore. They are listed on the rare breed list in Scotland (that is AA unadulterated by North American bloodlines)
 
roger dodger said:
there are two kinds of angus don't you know aberdeeen angus and american angus. aberdeen angus are 100% polled , american can be anything.
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Yeah there is quite an argument going on one of the angus sites about that- especially with the recent imports of some of the bloodlines that still consider themselves pure -like the Pinebank, New Zealand and Courtney, UK bulls- and those native aberdeen folks- and the US bloodline breeders....Really gets folks stirred up tho.. :wink: :lol:

But it is quite apparent when you look at the difference between even those NZ bulls- along with some of the US breeders that never jumped on the "bigger, better, faster" overnight fad like Deboos, Shoshone, Wye, and other closed herds- and the majority of the power breeders....

I'm not that familiar with the other breeds - but it has been brought up by some, that some of these genetic defects that are now showing up in some of the angus bloodlines are similar or identical to some genetic problems in some of the Continental breeds .... :???:

Kind of like how some of the hereford bloodlines came to have a diluter gene :???:
 
all i know is that when i was a youg man you could go to the sale barn and watch the weigh up cow and bull sale and you never seen an old angus bull with scurs, now you see them all the time. it just seams that all the continental breeds wanted to be black to hide their falults and to take advantage of the angus traits and that is fine,but they are not angus.

ot you made reference to the deluter in herefords that is the same thing and i blame the associations for this problem. if they would put a stop to it right away when find out about it, insted of if the right breeder has it we hope it goes away. but it never does just a lot of smaller breeders get hurt.rd
 
Kind of like how some of the hereford bloodlines came to have a diluter gene
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Yes it is present but if you buy bulls from any reputable breeder he will have tested for it. If it is still present in Herefords in 10 years some breeders should have all their registrations yanked.
 
Major wreck with the New Zealand bulls that were pushed up here-a bunch of baldie calves-seems there were packaging/labelling problems at the stud. The problem is not being dealt with properly in my opinion-just a heads up.
 
I posted this on another thread, but will post here again. See below:

We in fact had and still have this problem. The semen was Hereford, and the straws were mixed. Meaning each straw had a percentage of both bulls semen. So, half black, half white face. To date nothing has been done to rectify this problem. Dragging feet would be an understatement. The first cases were realized almost 1 year ago.

Since, I have never had anywhere close a problem like this, I am asking other breeders what a fair solution / compensation is for this type of issue? We used the semen for genetic and maternal influence and not as a terminal sire. We used on purebred black angus cows.

Has there been any previous precedence? Any feedback would be appreciated.
 
This is the issue in my mind. Canadian distributor with no insurance. North American distributor with no insurance. Stud in New Zealand with no insurance. Collection center in New Zealand admits fault, has insurance but claim that everything is held up with insurance companies and lawyers? Stud says they can't do anything until claim is processed. What about all the $$ they have made selling the semen for $35 CDN / straw.

To date nothing has been done other than a promisary compensation that is inadequate in my opinion. And communication with any of the above parties for the most part go unheard with little to no responses.
 
AGN said:
This is the issue in my mind. Canadian distributor with no insurance. North American distributor with no insurance. Stud in New Zealand with no insurance. Collection center in New Zealand admits fault, has insurance but claim that everything is held up with insurance companies and lawyers? Stud says they can't do anything until claim is processed. What about all the $$ they have made selling the semen for $35 CDN / straw.

To date nothing has been done other than a promisary compensation that is inadequate in my opinion. And communication with any of the above parties for the most part go unheard with little to no responses.
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Just reading through the thread. Must have been sleeping the first trip through. I am curious AGN, how deep are you into this wreck?
 
Nothing has been done about the Alberta situation either AGN-the guy who sold you guys that semen has lost all his credibility in my books. The whole thing could of been dealt with in a matter of days.
 
Simply curious of the relative injury you are talking about. I assume the cost of the semen is relatively minor compared to the genetic loss of several good cows having a commercial year. Just trying to get my head around the liability. I assure you there is no agenda attached.
 

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