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Angus Cattle Shower

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Here's the scenario.

You won the cattle lotterey and you get 100 head of cattle from any breed. What genetics and breeds will you take? You also get two of your favourite bulls. You get 50 straws of assorted semen. Whichwhich cows to breed them to?
 
Angus Cattle Shower said:
Here's the scenario.

You won the cattle lotterey and you get 100 head of cattle from any breed. What genetics and breeds will you take? You also get two of your favourite bulls. You get 50 straws of assorted semen. Whichwhich cows to breed them to?
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That one is easy-- I'd go solid angus with cows from Shoshone, Ohlde, or Diamond D bloodlines and the two bulls I'd pick would be DDA Sure Enough 6D (grandson of Emblazon-great grandson of 6807) and DDA Fahren 21X.....
 
I would take 80 cows from Bootjack, but since they aren't in existance anymore, I would take a comparable amount of embryos from their genetics. I would take a couple donor cows from Ohlde and GDAR Angus and 15 head from Milk Creek Red Angus and Heart River. They both have genetics from BJR and have similar philosiphies as me. I'll take semen from FCC Rambo 502, and other BJR bulls.
 
If anyone knows where to get some of the real life Bootjack Red Angus semen, please let me know. I am in the market for it! Thanks!
 
Faster horses said:
I'm with OT, except the 21X's have been kind of disappointing.
Maybe Traveler 004 to stouten things up if you wanted.
Also depends if you are wanting to get superior females or sell
bulls, or breed for feeder calves.
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Diamond D has a bull that looks terrible on paper- DDA Broadside 52B (6807 grandson) , that I've seen calves and replacement cows sired by that are great...My neighbor west of me that runs a commercial herd up along the border bought him at their sale as a yearling and ran him a few years- Deboos came to deliver some more bulls and check on the bulls he'd bought and bought him back after seeing how he'd developed and his progeny...If you have their catalog, or I think he's on Diamond D's website, they have a picture of him now- hams on him like a butcher hog........They sold bulls out of him this year under the DDA Fort Peck name.....

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CED +14
BW -4.0
WW +6
YW +17
YH -.5
SC -.60
MILK +13
MH -.2

Combined EN $ and W$-- $41.87
 
If I went black I would go with Ohlde... I like their cows that I have seen... But I doubt I would go black so I would have to think about Red..... I have liked the Red Fork cattle I have seen but I would have to look further... I guess I am not to into the whole registered purebreed stock think.. There are a bunch of herds that I would love to get a good look at however, from Herefords to Tarentaise and from Welsh Blacks to Angus.


Couldn't tell you on bulls.. As a lot of the AI bulls I am familiar with in person would not produce the type of mother cow I would want. I did like the heifers I saw out of some Van Dyke bulls but from my understanding they would grow into something a bit bigger than I would prefer..

There are a few bulls I wouldn't mind having 50 or so straws of to sell :lol: :lol:

So I guess what i am saying is, couldn't tell you
 
Formyself, I will go with 50 BA Emblazon/VRD cows, 25 shortie AFL SL Sin City/Little CEdar Macinac cows, and 25 clubie cows out fo who made who, meyers 734, and Witch Doktor. For semen Ill have 10 of Shadybrook Scotty, and 10 oif Star P Advantage. 10 of WoodHill Triple threat, and for bulls Ill have Thor 911 and TJ Amigo 911. Il have to buy a shorty bull tho ;)
 
AX- Cliff Haugen was quite a character-it was always an interesting day when you spent it with him looking at cows. I think I know where some of the old Bootjack semen is but not sure if it's still exortable or not. i've A'I'ed alot of heifers to the Make My Day bull-he really works on the Simm X heifers that alot of folks run up here.as for my choice of bulls I'm thinking my new Hereford bull is going to do pretty good on our black cows-I know both his Sire and his maternal grandsire made some great baldie females. I'd like to tie into a bunch of the old Nichols Landmark L56 semen-he was a bit ugly but his daughters are long lasting and pretty darn productive.
 
I would get 50 Registered Angus and 50 Moderate framed Maine x Simmental cattle. As bulls and Semen Combination I would want OCC Legend for an Angus bull and Club Calf Bull Irish Whiskey. Would take some semen on Meyer 734 and flush them lottery quality Angus to him.

I could breed the Angus back to Angus, or breed up the Maine Cattle or Cross and go club calf route. Few different options that all interest me.
 
Thanks OT, that was interesting. I'll have to look him up.

IL Rancher, when you mentioned Red Fork, you are referring to Ken and Sherri Graves at Kaycee, Wyoming aren't you? The founders of that orginal herd,
Roland and Beverly Landrey are dear friends of ours.
They sold Galena to ABS many moons ago. I see he still shows up
in some of their pedigrees.

I probably mentioned this before...but I'm not sure. :wink:
 
i would go with some good gelbvieh and red angus cross cows(cherokee canyon ) and breed them to some leachman right time and lucys boy angus bulls.
as far as the semen goes 50 straws of Free Agent
 
I'd probably just take a chance on some of our own bred heifers. They probably aren't the best in the west, but we know them and they know us. They are gentle, functional, and not encumbered with a lot of fancy pedigrees or unattainable EPD's. They know the ranch, are acclimated to our conditions, and they are already packing the right brand. For bulls to use on them, just some good commercial Angus with moderate frame and docile dispositions would be plumb satisfactory.
 
Soapweed said:
I'd probably just take a chance on some of our own bred heifers. They probably aren't the best in the west, but we know them and they know us. They are gentle, functional, and not encumbered with a lot of fancy pedigrees or unattainable EPD's. They know the ranch, are acclimated to our conditions, and they are already packing the right brand. For bulls to use on them, just some good commercial Angus with moderate frame and docile dispositions would be plumb satisfactory.
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Sounds like you are happy and already won the Lottery :)
 
aplusmnt said:
Soapweed said:
I'd probably just take a chance on some of our own bred heifers. They probably aren't the best in the west, but we know them and they know us. They are gentle, functional, and not encumbered with a lot of fancy pedigrees or unattainable EPD's. They know the ranch, are acclimated to our conditions, and they are already packing the right brand. For bulls to use on them, just some good commercial Angus with moderate frame and docile dispositions would be plumb satisfactory.
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Sounds like you are happy and already won the Lottery :)
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After all, tomorrow is Thanksgiving. :wink: :)

My goal is moderate-sized, functional, useful cows with good dispositions and uniformity. I'm too old and lazy to want to follow the show circuit or other fads of the moment. I just like efficient black pre-dominantly Angus cows that can raise the most maximum type calf on a minimum amount of work and expense.
 
Soapweed said:
aplusmnt said:
Soapweed said:
I'd probably just take a chance on some of our own bred heifers. They probably aren't the best in the west, but we know them and they know us. They are gentle, functional, and not encumbered with a lot of fancy pedigrees or unattainable EPD's. They know the ranch, are acclimated to our conditions, and they are already packing the right brand. For bulls to use on them, just some good commercial Angus with moderate frame and docile dispositions would be plumb satisfactory.
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Sounds like you are happy and already won the Lottery :)
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After all, tomorrow is Thanksgiving. :wink: :)

My goal is moderate-sized, functional, useful cows with good dispositions and uniformity. I'm too old and lazy to want to follow the show circuit or other fads of the moment. I just like efficient black pre-dominantly Angus cows that can raise the most maximum type calf on a minimum amount of work and expense.
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Sounds like a great business plan to me!
 
Yes, FH, you have mentioned it but that is okay... My wife talked to Sherri on the phone back in the spring of 04 while I was out chasing calves or somethingI like Galena (From what I have seen of him) and I liked a lot of the bulls I saw of the Graves at The Pharo sale in fall of 2005. I would have bought a bunch but they just weren't in the budget... They all seemed to be real solid, good legged animals that were nice and even.. Unfortunately the one bull I have of theirs is lame from a fighiting injuryand I am going to have send him down the road I am afraid :cry: Should have pulled him a week earlier like I had planned and he would be fine probably but such is life.

I had 3 Lucy Boy sons when we first started up. They had some nice calves but those bulls were a bit high strung for me but our neighbor had a bull name VDAR Russ that he bought in a different sale and he was real nice. We AIed to him one year and his calves preformed up there with the Maines that we had out of Back Draft sons... That was a fun year, had 140 animals calving and we AIed 110 of them... I think 70% settled on just a massive timed AI and tthat was a busy 6 days of calving. Was kind of fun though...
 
I'm with you Soapweed. At my age about all I'm interested in breeding for is good dispositioned, moderate framed, easy fleshing, black cattle. The market wants the latter and I want the former.
 
wdcook said:
I'm with you Soapweed. At my age about all I'm interested in breeding for is good dispositioned, moderate framed, easy fleshing, black cattle. The market wants the latter and I want the former.
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You know, at fifty-five years of age and being a rancher for all of my life, if I'm not raising the kind of cattle I want at this point, it is no one's fault but my own. Why would I "lust" after someone else's bloodlines in a cow herd, when I've put this much time and effort into our own? Anyway, this is the "logic" behind why I would just go with what we are already raising, for better or for worse. :wink: :-)
 

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